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    The Enemy of My Friend is My Friend

    Israeli fighter jets and Saudi missiles

    BUSINESS NEWS
    CNBC.com | Saturday, 13 Jul 2013 | 12:17 AM ET

    Earlier this month, a report by Reuters on the state of Israeli air defenses flew under the radar.

    The story noted that an F-16 on a training mission crashed into the Mediterranean due to apparent engine failure.

    The jet is made by Lockheed Martin and the engines by Pratt and Whitney, a division of United Technologies. Both Reuters and Agence France-Presse said the head of Israel's air force then grounded all F-15s and F-16s pending further review.

    The IAF's own website said its commander "ordered a moratorium on any further training sessions of the F-15I and F-16I Formations until all details clear up."

    Those aircraft make up nearly the entirety of Israel's fighter jet force.

    Grounding all of the planes—whether completely or for training - would seemingly leave the Jewish State without appropriate air cover at a time when Egypt and Syria are especially unstable and Iran remains a threat (though Israel has many other weapons in its arsenal).

    Meantime, the U.S. has said it will sell Israel some V-22 Ospreys, made by Textron's Bell Helicopter, which could potentially be used in an attack on Iran.

    The country will also be the first international customer for Lockheed's F-35, which won't go into service until sometime after 2018.

    Long term, a military source told the Associated Press that Israel wants to have a combat air force comprised almost entirely of unmanned aircraft, but that is decades away.

    Those future programs don't address the current situation. The IAF has provided no further update on the state of its fighter force, and it turns out Israel may have more to worry about than Egypt, Syria, and Iran.

    In a provocative report, IHS Jane's Intelligence Review claims analysis of images in Saudi Arabia indicate "a hitherto undisclosed surface-to-surface missile base deep in the Saudi desert...with the launch pads pointing in the directions of Israel and Iran." IHS Jane's analysts believe the base is—or will be- stocked with Chinese-made intermediate range ballistic missiles.

    The Saudis have been one of America's biggest defense customers, buying 84 Boeing-made F-15s in 2010 for a record $29 billion. Now the U.S. is selling the Saudis air-to-ground missiles, presumably for those same jets. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced that latest sale at the same time he announced the Osprey sale to Israel.

    Could Saudi Arabia be buying American missiles, and at the same time preparing to aim Chinese missiles at one of America's staunchest allies? Is Saudi Arabia protecting itself from what it perceives as a threat?

    "We cannot be certain that the missiles are pointed specifically at Tel Aviv and Tehran themselves, but if they were to be launched, you would expect them to be targeting major cities," said the IHS Jane's report. "We do not want to make too many inferences about the Saudi strategy, but clearly Saudi Arabia does not enjoy good relations with either Iran or Israel."

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    In 2011, Saudi Arabia beheaded a woman for "witchcraft," yet they could possibly become the first nuclear armed Arab state and receive billion$ in U.S. arms such as the venerable, very effective F-15 series of fighter-bombers. It's roughly the same aircraft used by Israel. Frightening! Do the Iranians even execute witches? Stupefying!!


    Saudi Arabia makes deal to purchase nuke capable Chinese missiles

    Saudi Arabia
    July 23, 2012
    By: Robert Tilford

    The Saudi’s are currently in Beijing negotiating to purchase Chinese nuclear capable ballistic missiles, according to one report.

    The missiles in question are Chinese Dong-Feng missiles.

    The Dongfeng (literally "East Wind") missile is a series of intermediate and intercontinental ballistic missiles operated by the People's Republic of China. Unconfirmed report the Saudis are shopping for China’s newest Dong-Fen 31.

    The DF-31 is China's newest road-mobile, solid-fuel ICBM developed by the 4th Aerospace Academy (now Academy of Rocket Motor Technology / ARMT).

    The DF-31 has range of 8,000+ km, and can carry a single 1,000 kt warhead, or up to three 20-150 kt MIRV warheads. An improved version, the DF-31A, has range of 11,000+ km.

    The DF-31 was developed to replace many of China's older ballistic missiles, and served as basis to the new JL-2 (CSS-NX-4/CSS-NX-5) SLBM. Approx. 30 DF-31/DF-31A are estimated to be in service…

    According to reports The Saudi want to position the new Dong-Fen missiles at an base near Riyadh (see article: Saudi Arabia To Purchase Nuclear Capable Missiles From China http://www.inquisitr.com/282628/saud...u05lQCgbkoc.99 ).

    With Dong-Feng missiles and the negotiated purchase of nuclear arms from Pakistan, the Saudi could become the first Arab country in the Middle East to have a nuclear bomb?

    That is a truly terrifying thought.

    Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. The home of radical wahhabism – a toxic form of Islam that spawned the like Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

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    It seems inevitable that an uprising of some sort will overthrow the corrupt Saudi monarchy.

    When that happens whoever takes over is very unlikely to look favorably on the US, UK etc who helped prop up the regime while pocketing billions.

    It will probably end up like a much worse version of Iran all over again.

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    I'm beginning to wonder if the Sunnis are far crazier than the Shias?

    Incidentally, this is all potential and speculation that the House of Saud could simply buy a nuke. But...

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    My take on the Sunnis vs Shias is that it's like the Southern Baptists vs the Opus Dei Catholics.

    Who gives a shit which one is crazier, as long as you know they are both batshit.
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    Yeah, but, one's batshit and has a fuckload of oil money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yeah, but, one's batshit and has a fuckload of oil money...
    ...and is good buddies with the BCE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    My take on the Sunnis vs Shias is that it's like the Southern Baptists vs the Opus Dei Catholics.

    Who gives a shit which one is crazier, as long as you know they are both batshit.
    Stereotypes are bad no matter if youre talking about muslims, blacks, Christians, whites, jews etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone888 View Post
    Stereotypes are bad no matter if youre talking about muslims, blacks, Christians, whites, jews etc etc
    Which is why I didn't say "Christians", but rather specified two groups known for extremism.

    Are there exceptions?

    Sure... Jimmy Carter was a Southern Baptist, for example. (He actually left them because of their extreme political stances )

    Haven't met a sane member of Opus Dei yet, but that doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere. I certainly don't judge all Catholics by the likes of Bill Donohue, Fat Tony Scalia, or Rick Santorum.

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