Music videos could be a great artform.
You'd figure these dudes would appreciate the exposure but there's always that point where art and corporate commercial interests meet. But we all know Poison and Jovi killed MTV. heh heh
Music videos could be a great artform.
You'd figure these dudes would appreciate the exposure but there's always that point where art and corporate commercial interests meet. But we all know Poison and Jovi killed MTV. heh heh
RJD is partially correct, in that all of a sudden bands with not much talent were on MTV, but MTV didn't really play a ton of metal to begin with. It was pretty slim pickings unless it was Headbangers Ball. The bands like Poison, say what you will about them, probably kept metal alive for several years on TV.
Metal never really needed TV at all. It was there before MTV, it's still there now....You just have to find it, mostly on the internet. Hair Metal died. Personally I enjoyed a lot of those bands. Then record execs started signing every band they could find, based on their look, and you would up with the Pretty Boy Floyds and D'Molls and Firehouses of the music world. Oversaturated, and the lousy bands started to outnumber the good ones to the point where the good bands faded into the background. Then the whole grunge thing started and kids tastes changed...end of Hair Metal.
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Enter the issue of mislabeling bands. You had hair metal being labeled as heavy metal and vice versa. You had amazing hard rock acts (V mother fuckin' H) being called both which kinda drove me nuts. The more things were miscategorized, the more everything started being called heavy metal as a means of simplifying the whole mess. Headbangers Ball covered all of the above, so it all must be heavy metal was the mentality. That too contributed to the over-saturation. It all got too big not to fail.
Not this pussy 80's metal shit again.
Look, what killed metal was metal not admitting it was homosexual enough to its core audience. Where else did grown sweaty men "mosh" with other sweaty men while sweaty men in leather played crap music about their small dicks and Satan all together in a "club." Metal is about as homosexual as it gets. MTV feigned homosexuality and mocked it by having metal acts wear spandex and hairspray. Just how much teabagging went on backstage at a DIO show?
Get a life, seriously.Originally Posted by Kristy
I'd agree that a lot of what was called "metal" in the 1980s (Poison, Warrant, Bon Jovi, etc.) wasn't really metal. At least not how I define it.
Plus, there were still plenty of actual metal bands who broke big in the 1980s that didn't really owe much in the way of anything to MTV. Iron Maiden comes to mind for a start. Maiden were making platinum albums throughout the 1980s, and had a vastly successful release with Powerslave and sold out arenas across the US. Yet how often were the Aces High or Two Minutes To Midnight videos played? Barely at all. And radio wouldn't play any Maiden, either. Metallica doesn't owe MTV shit far as establishing an initial audience goes. DIO got some MTV play, but not a helluva lot.
Bands that owe their careers to MTV are pretty much the usual posers one would suspect.
Scramby eggs and bacon.
I have a life. Now ask yourself if you have a closet and if it's time to step out of it.
Funny, girls sure seemed to like it at the time...
Nope, nothing gay going on here.
Or here
Never got into any band because of an image...
Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?
It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...
Ah, if only you could've tagged along on some auditions I went on when I first got to L.A. ... you would've heard this kinda stuff:
"Image is VERY important to us."
"If you get the gig, the first thing you have to do is give our seamstress $1200 for your (matching pleather) stage costume."
"Will you get hair extensions?"
"What's your opinion on stage choreography?"
"We notice you don't have any tattoos - how fast can you get sleeved?"
Actual quotes.THAT shit had to die.
Ah, if only you could've tagged along on some auditions I went on when I first got to L.A. ... you would've heard this kinda stuff:
"Image is VERY important to us."
"If you get the gig, the first thing you have to do is give our seamstress $1200 for your (matching pleather) stage costume."
"Will you get hair extensions?"
"What's your opinion on stage choreography?"
"We notice you don't have any tattoos - how fast can you get sleeved?"
Actual quotes.
Albeit, on a very lesser (and boringly mediocre) scale.
I honestly don't know what Krusty's obsession with bands being gay is? Every band she doesn't like (95% of the bands out there) she calls gay. If you like a certain band, you must also be gay.
Who gives a fuck? Last thing I'm doing at a concert is worrying about gay-ness......
In terms of metal, there's a huge difference between what began the new wave of metal, and even so-called hair metal, and what it became. Mainly because at the beginning, bands were signed on having talent. Then as hair metal took off, that first tier of bands were already signed, and every shitty band that had teased hair and makeup was being signed. Even the bands that were decent, like Poison, were a step down in terms of talent, but they had a look and they made MTV-friendly music. Look at Motley Crue. They had the whole studs, hair, makeup thing, but they also rocked quite hard. Compare the album Shout at the Devil to Poison's Look What the Cat Dragged In...Crue's album is 100% heavier.
I remember buying Shout at the Devil a few years after it came out and being surprised at just how many fillers are on it.
Crue were always a very lazy band.
Yeah, but Theater of Pain and everything that followed were much weaker. Two big singles from that album were a horrible cover and an even worse cheese ballad. And it was all downhill from there......
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Those 2 bands were not the norm.
Nope, nothing gay going on here.
Or here
I can see how you would think that looking back without being there but my experience was that the great majority of the hair metal look was driven by girls. Most of the guys that I met who were into that look were doing it because it got them more girls. If you were in a band that looked that way then you would get more girls at your gigs which in turn brought in guys too so you just did better.
There were some guys that were a bit camp with it and a few bisexuals but it was quite rare and no more than in the population at large.
I'm talking about the UK maybe LA was different...
Theatre of Pain was a letdown, but they had stronger albums after that one.
It was the same over here. Bottom line was that the look and image were fun for drawing in people, but if I bought an album and it sucked shit, I wasn't about to buy their next one just because of the way the band looked.
Maybe ??
I'm quite sure 80s LA was a bit different than Smugland...
Late 80's was weird all the people who I knew who were decent musicians ditched solo's stopped writting songs and over night had plad shirts holes in their jeans and liked Seattle .
"Rock music was so over kurts killed it man " nah
fuck your fucking framing
Manowar suffered enough for their image choices back in the early 80s.
All they wanted to do was pull a Barry Windsor-Smith/Arnold Schwarzenegger Conan the Barbarian look.
It went horribly, horribly wrong. Everyone knows that. But that shit was 30 years ago, cut them some slack already.
By the way, Barack Obama is allegedly a huge fan of Conan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian#Comics
Is he gay?
Don't answer that.
Cheers!
That's some 80's urban myth and you know it.
It's not, chicks used to dig that kind of shit.
Then Nirvana came along & all of a sudden there was boys music & girls music. Both sucked big time.
Fuck the 90s. At least Cobain was kind enough to bite a bullet. If only sooner...
Oh, & Halford said he dressed that way because he's gay. So yes, Judas Priest were gay looking, you're right there. Manowar misfired. The rest was average. It didn't matter, anyway.
Cheers!
Wouldn't it be more weird if a look for 30 years ago wasn't comical now?
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No it isn't. It all started with Dave. I would jump the bones of any guy with long blonde hair in 80.
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Yes it is. Metal was largely a homosexual outlet for white suburban kids still in the closet. No girl is into metal unless she also happens to like gay men being with other gay men who refuse to admit how gay they really are.
Here, freshly stolen off of some dude's web page that took me 3 minutes to Google so I can look smart:
Heavy Metal finally came around with the dark Black Sabbath and the hedonistic Led Zeppelin. I can't even watch "The Song Remains the Same" anymore because of the prominence of Robert Plant's member in his super tight jeans. He wanted all those nance boys in the predominately male audience to see what he was packing. You know the king of cock-rock wanted to give them every inch of his love.
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Sabbath's early hits were "Paranoid" and "Iron Man". In the first one, Ozzy sang that he was "finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind"...of course she couldn't help him cause he's a manhole Mary in need of a solid, stiff 'iron man' to jostle his nads and call him Sparky. He's medicated cause he has to live with Sharon and those kids when he should really be living with Bruce Dickinson.
Two words for ya--Freddie Mercury. Although he was a superb singer and was great at the upright organ, he was also a poo pounder who looked like a Village People reject with those tighty whiteys and that mustache. He may have showered at the Y with the mens-folk, but he didn’t dine at the Y with the ladies.
One of the pioneers of Power Metal was the high-pitched vocalist for Judas Priest named Rob Halford. He's the leather-clad pillow biter who came out of the closet on MTV and proclaimed his gayness in front of the world. It was real easy for him to come out, I hear. Apparently, it just took a few tugs and a hard push on the inside.
Was there violence and upheaval in the entire metal community? Nope, cause deep down they all have pink, purple and rainbow hearts and like to tiptoe through the tulips. These are some of the songs that Judas Priest does:
"Turbo Lover"
"Loving After Midnight"
"Victim of HIV"
"Stained Ass"
"Unleashed From My Pants"
"You've Got A Knobby Thing Comin"
"Breaking the Sodomy Law"
"Hell Bent For A Rest Area"
"Screaming for Vaseline"
AC\DC is a slang term for somebody who goes both ways, so even though some hetero is implied it also involves some nuts across the chin if you know what I mean. I don't know which side of the slash is the straight side, so you'd be best to avoid them altogether.
David Lee used to run around in leather chaps with no pants on underneath. "Eruption" is a guitar-solo classic from Eddie Van Halen. There are no words, but I'll tell you what's doing the erupting--it's long, pink, shoots stuff out of a hole in the top and isn't a volcano. The guys in VH have been making poundcake from the start and I'm not surprised that Eddie got mouth cancer from his oral fixation on those dick substitutes, cigarettes. Don't fret for him that he always needed Misty Menthols dangling from his lips.
Aerosmith had a song called "The Other Side". Yep, it's the gay side he's singing about. I once saw Stephen Tyler turn around and spread his cheeks during a concert while he had on a pair of spandex with the bunghole area cutout. Angus Young and Tommy Lee both strip down and show their asses to the audience. It's all about easy access with these guys, folks.
"Dioning" defines the heterosexual apple of a gay man's eye and was coined in the 1860s by Karl Heinrich Ulrichs to describe the object of a homosexual man's attraction. I'm not surprised that the names "Dio" and "Ulrich" are in there. If those pint-sized parlor pals look your way at a show you might be next on the love list.
The 80's were some prime years for Heavy Metal. You had gay Glam, faggot Speed, queer Thrash, homo Death, pansy Black and all those rump rangers owned the airwaves and were bangin' their heads in each other's laps and putting their balls to the walls and always smiling big shit-eating grins like they were the queens of the French Embassy. Straight metal guys, if there was one, wouldn't smile cause they'd have nothing to smile about and the brighter the teeth the higher they go on the gay scale. Kip Winger is the biggest twinkle toes of them all.
How in the Hell did those passion fruits put on makeup and spandex and hairspray and jewelry and glitter and convince so many chicks to be in their videos? They must've hired Steven Spielburger to do their videos and had women put in there with special effects.
Who in name of Odin can watch those middle-aged, Norse throwbacks Manowar prance about in furry loincloths, swinging their battle swords and not be struck by the queerness of it? Fairies wear boots, indeed. So let it be written.
Axl Rose is an ass waxer who sang a song about a 'rocket queen'. I've got a newsflash for ya folks, Axl is the real rocket queen and he wants to fire his missile right up Uranus.
Helmet, Tool, Whitesnake, Cinderella...c'mon! It's all in the name, folks.
Death metal guys are always singing about cocks, but not just any cocks; they like brutal, bloody ones. I say that a cock lover is a cock lover no matter how they smoke it.
Argueably the biggest metal band in the world, Metallica, was a dark angry, thrash band 'till they came out of the closet with a CD named appropriately, "Load". With its cover of blood and cum, those colon queens stopped denying themselves and showed their true pastel colors in photos with makeup and feathered boas. They even fucked their fans again with "Re-Load". Now, I see why they drank so much. They used it to escape from the denial of their homoness.
Then Pantera came along with all their violent songs full of punching and kicking and scratching and bitch slapping. All that violence is just a substitute for what they really want to do--they want to pound out the fire in your ass with their dicks. Walk up to those guys with a banana in one hand and a peach in the other and ask them to choose one. They'll swallow the banana down before you can say astroglide. Scary isn't it.
Marylin Manson...I don't even want to go there. He sends my Gaydar way off the charts.
I didn't forget about the dykes either; all the diesel lesbos that stumble into the scene with their ratty jeans and junky bracelets. They don't need to drop a hairpin to let me know that clam dip is always on the menu wherever they travel.
And the mascots, they're fags too. Eddie, Vic Rattlehead, Not Man, Rikki Ractman...yep, all homos.
Even the latest craze called Nu Metal doesn't stray to far from the pansy pasture. Limp Bizkit is just another name for impotence. Whether they can get it up or not, they still named themselves after a male member. Mushroomhead did it, also. That's what you call a dick with a big, fat head. That's just what I hear, not what I know from personal experience.
Let's try a quick quiz:
Who else could possibly be gay in metal that hasn't come out of the closet?
<input name="gay" checked="checked" type="checkbox"> Kirk Hammet <input name="gay" checked="checked" type="checkbox"> Dave Draiman <input name="gay" checked="checked" type="checkbox"> Mike Patton <input name="gay" checked="checked" type="checkbox"> Don Dokken <input name="gay" checked="checked" type="checkbox"> Stratovarius
Answer: All of them. A straight guy in metal is as rare as a black man with a mullet. They just don't exist.
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And what do you think "The Pit" is anyway? It's a giant, swirling bunghole of sausage stuffers vogueing at each other. They always serve the same food at heavy metal concerts, also--Blow Pops, Fruit Roll-ups, Banana's and Cream, Hot Pockets with extra meatballs and those Ball Park Franks that plump when ya cook 'em.
I'll say it one time if I never have to say it again: Heavy Metal is the most homosexual music on the planet.
So I believe we have a conclusion here on what killed metal: failure to admit blatant homosexuality.
Have a nice day.
And why does thislook way too much like this: ???
I proved my point here, people.
Last edited by Kristy; 08-06-2013 at 11:58 AM.
Kirsty this is either quite funny in a ridiculous way or utter bollox.
It's a pity you can't use your wit and humour to be cynical and negative oh
Shut the fuck up with your moronic, trolling, bullshit.
Bandwidth wasting cunt.....
One day, this could be you!
The cooler you looked then, the worse it looks now.
That's always the way of these things.
Uh, you weren't there, and yes, if girls didn't dig it, none of us would've looked like that...
Yeah, keep on telling yourself that.
It was like a transvestite arms race - one guy would turn up at a club wearing bangles and get the best looking girls next week all the cool people would be wearing them.
That meant you had to tread the dangerous tightrope of dressing like a borderline transvestite to get the best looking girls with getting the fuck kicked out of you before you could even get to the club by local gangs.
There were definitely a few guys who seemed to enjoy the dressing up more than I thought was sound but I think that was mainly a straight tranny thing rather than gay - I think I only ever encountered two or three gay guys in that whole scene and I was clubbing and in bands constantly throughout that whole period.
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