2014 Rock Hall nominees (inductees announced)

[twonabomber]

http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/in...incart_m-rpt-2

Here they are...

Nirvana
Peter Gabriel
Hall and Oates
Link Wray
the Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
the Zombies
the Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
KISS
LL Cool J
N.W.A
the Meters
Cat Stevens

Inductees will be announced late December or early January, with the typical April induction ceremony.

There will be another "fan vote." Winner of the fan vote will count as one vote for induction.

My five to seven picks:

Probably:
Nirvana. They gave hope to mopey suburban white kids.
Peter Gabriel. They'll cite the spectacle of his live shows and his forays into "world" music.
the Replacements. Because...the Replacements.
Linda Ronstadt. The Rock Hall loves to induct the wimmenz. Plus she's got Parkinson's, so now it's a guilt vote. "Oops, we should have done this YEARS ago!"
KISS. No matter what $immon$ says, he would welcome induction. It's gotta be an opportunity to sell something.

Maybe:
Chic. Jann Wenner loves them, and with Nile Rodgers all over the Daft Punk record he's back in the public eye. Er...ear.
LL Cool J or NWA. The Rock Hall also likes to foist a rap group on an unwilling public. LL Cool J would probably get in because he's less offensive to crackers than NWA is.

The fan vote will be interesting. The PD article linked above says Deep Purple finished second (behind Rush) in the 2013 fan vote. I can see KISS fans and Yes fans clogging the ballot boxes too.

Thankful they ain't on the ballot: Chicago, the Moody Blues, and Boston. Oh, and Sammy Hagar solo.

[Satan]

Yes, KISS, and Deep Purple on the ballot the same year?

Unless they limit induction to the TRUE lineups of those bands, there won't be any room for an audience in that venue.

Must admit I'm a little surprised to see Nirvana get a nomination this early. The rule is 25 years after your first album, so they are qualified, but it's not like Jann Wenner or anybody else at Rolling Stone actually heard Bleach until after Nevermind was released.

And just for the record, Kurt says the Replacements deserve it more than he does this year.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Same shit..different year. Nirvana will get in because of their perceived greatness and Deep Purple will be ignorned...AGAIN.

[Satan]

Can't wait for the teabagger mental explosions if Cat Stevens gets in......

He's a goddamn terraist!111!!!!

[twonabomber]

Yes, KISS, and Deep Purple on the ballot the same year?

Unless they limit induction to the TRUE lineups of those bands, there won't be any room for an audience in that venue.

Must admit I'm a little surprised to see Nirvana get a nomination this early. The rule is 25 years after your first album, so they are qualified, but it's not like Jann Wenner or anybody else at Rolling Stone actually heard Bleach until after Nevermind was released.

And just for the record, Kurt says the Replacements deserve it more than he does this year.

Not 25 years from the first album, 25 years from the first record. The article states "Nirvana just barely squeaked into this year’s potential class. The band’s first album, “Bleach,’’ was released in June 1989, but the first single off it, “Love Buzz,’’ came out in 1988." And from the HOF site, "Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll." Like the Grammys, with it's Album of the year and Record of the year.

[Satan]

Well then, if it's even less likely that they heard a single that was released on SUB POP records, which (from what FORD tells me) were not even easy to find in that part of the world. Indies and the supply chain, etc.

[chefcraig]

And just for the record, Kurt says the Replacements deserve it more than he does this year.

No shit. Plus, the 'Mats had the balls to cover KISS' "Black Diamond" on the Let It Be album way back in 1984, when KISS were decidedly uncool. This is only surpassed by The Minutemen playing VH's "Ain't Talking About Love," a Creedence tune and a Steely Dan song on Double Nickels On The Dime, released the same year.

[Kristy]

The Minutemen's versh of 'ain't Talking 'Bout Love' had to be rerecorded due to Boon's singing "ain't talking 'bout love...so fuck off!" It was considered "offensive" which is really hypocritical since SST allowed for such album covers such as this



Henry Rollins always was an asshole.

[Satan]

Well, Nirvana actually did a KISS cover too, though it wasn't on one of their albums.....



Notable for two reasons...

1) The only Nirvana song to actually feature Jason Everman on guitar. He was credited as second guitarist on the Bleach album, but never actually played a note on that record. But he did pay the $600 for the studio time, which was obviously important.

2) This song establishes beyond all doubt that Krist Novoselic cannot sing!

[Satan]

The Minutemen's versh of 'ain't Talking 'Bout Love' had to be rerecorded due to Boon's singing "ain't talking 'bout love...so fuck off!" It was considered "offensive" which is really hypocritical since SST allowed for such album covers such as this



Henry Rollins always was an asshole.

Uh, you know that it was Greg Ginn, and not Rollins who ran SST records, right?

[chefcraig]

Well, Nirvana actually did a KISS cover too, though it wasn't on one of their albums.....
Notable for two reasons...

1) The only Nirvana song to actually feature Jason Everman on guitar. He was credited as second guitarist on the Bleach album, but never actually played a note on that record. But he did pay the $600 for the studio time, which was obviously important.

2) This song establishes beyond all doubt that Krist Novoselic cannot sing!

Yeah, but Nirvana lost all credibility in the covers department (despite the MTV Unplugged In New York album) when that bizarre version of Terry Jacks' infamous "Seasons In The Sun" disaster showed up on the boxed set from around a decade ago.

[Satan]

Yeah, but Nirvana lost all credibility in the covers department (despite the MTV Unplugged In New York album) when that bizarre version of Terry Jacks' infamous "Seasons In The Sun" disaster showed up on the boxed set from around a decade ago.

But that's the whole point. It was bizzare. It was intended to be.... they were just fucking around in the studio, and they weren't even playing their proper instruments (Kurt on drums/Grohl on bass/Krist on guitar) which made it sound even worse. It also wasn't ever intended to be released. But it's the type of thing you throw in "for the fans" when you put a box set together, years after the fact.

[chefcraig]

Perhaps, but to my ears, the words are a little bit too poignant considering what took place soon after. Saying goodbye to a daughter, references to death and even a (bb) gun make me wish this exploitative piece of crap remained unreleased. Given the circumstances, there is little that is entertaining, let alone humorous about it.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/in...incart_m-rpt-2

Cat Stevens

FUCK THAT TWAT!

[Kristy]

http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/in...incart_m-rpt-2

Here they are...

Nirvana

Fuck them. Grunge was shit. Cobain was an overrated and bloated asshole.

Peter Gabriel

Gabriel was never rock & roll in the truest sense. More prog rock now world beat who makes the most boring records since 2006. He owes his career to Phil Collins and Daniel Lanois. Which isn't saying much. Still, he puts on one hell of a show.

Hall and Oates

Great songwriting team. Only problem is they did not pen the majority of their biggest hits. Hall had a great soulful voice in their 80's/MTV run while Oates gave him blow jobs and drove his limo - like the other guy in Wham! used to do. Who loved watching 'Live From Daryl's House'? I sure as shit did.

Link Wray

The only man in the history of rock & roll to be banned for writing an instrumental that was considered to be "lewd." The real shame about Link was that he was never credited for really starting the whole rockabilly/garage rock movement of the late 50's early 60's. Link was a great songwriter, too. Hillbilly Wolf and Fire & Brimstone have been cornerstone covers for many a garage rock/psychobilly act to follow. The Cramps, Nomads and even that limey cocksucker Page will be forever in his debt.

The Replacements

You know somewhere Bob Stinson is shitting in his grave. Shame must be given here too in the sense Westerberg was fucked up drunk during their best run thus destroying one of America's last great bands. Fuck him.

Linda Ronstadt

Great vocalist in her heyday (and still is). Great humanitarian, too. Linda brought back the spirit of rock & roll by revamping Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison and Buddy Holly with modern class and stlye. He work with Emmylou Harris, Nelson Riddle, and even Danny Valdez shows she has crossed all borders and styles of music. She kept going and exploring new avenues until her health has forced her to stop. Total fucking visionary. So fuck you, Stevie Nicks, Tori Amos and Rhiana.

Yes

Yeah, fuck you, too. Druggy prog rock has no place in fame. Get the fuck out of here.

The Zombies

Good band. Great songs. Argent was a gifted with writing simple rhythms and placing the right words to go with them. Too bad he sold his soul to become a "producer." Can you say Tinita Tickaram? Tell Her No, She's Not There, Time Of The Season - who in the fuck writes songs as brilliant as that anymore?

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Probably the most forgotten white boy blues act America ever produced. Although this won't mean shit unless proper tribute is paid to Mike Bloomfield probably the best guitar player America ever produced. A Lost Jewish kid from Chicago who played like a man possessed only to die a mournless death from heroin overdose in his car while surviving playing "porn music" to support his habit. No one, no guitar player played like Mike Bloomfield and no one ever will. Sheer fucking talent

Chic

Eh, give credit to Nile Rodgers. The man who made the Strat a funky monkey. Other than that, they propagated disco. So fuck them.

Deep Purple

The other hard rock that wasn't Sabbath or MC5. Had a decent run in their early days. Came up with the most memorable rock guitar riff of all time which they wish everyone else would forget. Not abad choice. Good to see them get some due.

KISS

Blow me. I guess the Hall Of Fame needs a gimmick band to exploit. KISS were (and still are) fucking terrible. What's the betting Ace won't be there and neither will Gene unless he is being paid to do so. Fuck them. And fuck the majority of you cretins for ever listening them.

LL Cool J

Token introduction. Boring.

N.W.A

Yeah, misogyny, rape and insinuating violence should be honored. They make KISS look good.

The Meters

Allen Toussaint's back up band for many years. Total and genus New Orleans R&B soul and funk who seemed to be overshadowed by Booker T. & The MG's and criticized for sounding way too much like. Bullshit. The Meters were pure soul funk and one of the most original bands to ever be recorded. Every now and them you hear rumors on how late at night Elvis Costello comes by and blows them in order to play on one of his records.

Cat Stevens

Say what you want about the guy but he really (and unknowingly) paved the way for a lot of Californian "soft folk rock" AOR horseshit made famous by acts like America, Fleetwood Mac and Little River Band. Steven Demetre Georgiou Yusuf Douchebag was always one weird, fucked up dude. Claiming to have been kidnapped by aliens and taken aboard a UFO and giving himself to Allah while nearly drowning Steven Demetre Georgiou Yusuf Douchebag wrote by far some of the darkest songs on death, lost relationships and even industrial progress ever to be recorded. He was indeed strange though never gets mentioned for being so.

[Satan]

Maybe the Hall of Fame will compromise with the teabaggers and not allow Cat Stevens to attend and sing his own songs, and instead will have others play them?

[Kristy]

Uh, you know that it was Greg Ginn, and not Rollins who ran SST records, right?

How does that matter? Rollins will always be an asshole and Ginn was no musician.

[VHscraps]

The Replacements?? Who nominates these acts - 1980-90s Rolling Stone journalists? Harking after the "good old days"?

Forgive me being a limey know-nothing, but please name the fucking hits? Name the bands that they, for sure, influenced - who would not exist without The Replacements?? C'mon, tell me?

Seems to me that they are clutching at straws down there at the RRHOF in an an attempt to hang on to what they think is cool, and are gradually running out of bands / performers who meet the criteria.

Has ANYONE outside of North America ever SEEN, never mind HEARD, the fucking REPLACEMENTS?! I sure know who they are, because I used to buy US music magazines, and I always saw that the critics gave them 4-5 star reviews, but I never once in my life heard a single fucking record - from a friend or on the radio - by the Replacements.

Who knows, someone will tell me that "hey, all those bands that sell shitloads of records now?? Y'know, they're just like the Replacements" ...

If Simmons hadn't whored Kiss to death, they woulda probably got in by now (but then they probably wouldn't have been Kiss without him selling everything from bum wipes to coffins). It's a shame, 'cos in the Kiss catalogue there is a shitload of great rock'n'roll tunes.

[Kristy]

It's a shame, 'cos in the Kiss catalogue there is a shitload of great rock'n'roll tunes.

You're funny.

[Satan]

The Replacements are in the same league as Big Star (who oddly enough were one of their biggest influences - see video below).....

They didn't sell a lot of records, but a lot of the people who DID buy their records formed their own bands, and some of them actually did sell a lot of records.

As for "hits", who gives a cherub's pink ass? Titney Spears had a lot of "hits", but if she were ever voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I would personally burn the place down.

[Satan]

And a Devil just loves the genius of these anti-videos they actually managed to get on eMpTyV.....

[VHscraps]

Well, I reckon not - I have heard Big Star, who may never have had a load of hits, but they were clearly influential and they made many great records.

But, c'mon - this is supposed to be the "pinnacle" of R'n'R accolades. The Replacements simply ain't got the goods in terms of either popularity or influence.

But, you know, at the end of the day, it's all bullshit anyway - the RRHOF.

[Satan]

Of course, even better was the old stuff that MTV would never have touched in 666,000 years......

[VHscraps]

You're funny.

Thanks.

I will not break out in a Clara the Carrot (or whatever he /she is called) style ditty, but I love you Kristy.

[vandeleur]

Alex chilton is one of my all time fav songs

[Terry]

The whole institution is just odd to me, as is the reactions of fans if their bands aren't inducted or aren't in the Hall of Fame yet.

I suppose this lack of understanding on my part has to do with being able to remember a time when we didn't need such a bogus entity as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to qualify and define for us if a band is good or not.

Fucking ghey.

[baru911]

The Replacements??Name the bands that they, for sure, influenced - who would not exist without The Replacements?? C'mon, tell me? .

That would be Green Day.

The Replacements were a great band. They just did everything in their power to stay away from ever becoming popular or big. They screwed-up their chances at it every time the opportunity was placed in front of them.

The Hall is a sham. How can you pass over bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and want to put Hall and Oates in it? I know that neither Priest nor Maiden will nominated as long as the guys from Rolling Stone are running the process. Those guys hated metal. I know alot of it was bad but Maiden and Priest were/are great bands.

[Satan]

Priest should be an easy enough nomination. Apart from a few drummer changes and the regrettable "Ripper" episode, they have had a far more stable history than any of the "big" classic rock bands up for nomination this year.

[chefcraig]

The Replacements?? Who nominates these acts - 1980-90s Rolling Stone journalists? Harking after the "good old days"?

Forgive me being a limey know-nothing, but please name the fucking hits? Name the bands that they, for sure, influenced - who would not exist without The Replacements?? C'mon, tell me?

Seems to me that they are clutching at straws down there at the RRHOF in an an attempt to hang on to what they think is cool, and are gradually running out of bands / performers who meet the criteria.

Has ANYONE outside of North America ever SEEN, never mind HEARD, the fucking REPLACEMENTS?! I sure know who they are, because I used to buy US music magazines, and I always saw that the critics gave them 4-5 star reviews, but I never once in my life heard a single fucking record - from a friend or on the radio - by the Replacements.

Who knows, someone will tell me that "hey, all those bands that sell shitloads of records now?? Y'know, they're just like the Replacements" ...

If Simmons hadn't whored Kiss to death, they woulda probably got in by now (but then they probably wouldn't have been Kiss without him selling everything from bum wipes to coffins). It's a shame, 'cos in the Kiss catalogue there is a shitload of great rock'n'roll tunes.

Yep, this pretty much nails it, ya really had to be in attendance when these guys hit (or stumbled onto) the stage. They were a fucking garage band, and a blistering one at best. Paul Westerburg would throw in some inspired as all hell lyrics, and their shows would break down into uncontrolled lunacy. Try to find a copy of The Shit Hits The Fans, a cassette-only copy of a demented and deranged show.

Still one of best, truest live albums ever produced.



And to this very day, I wish I could have been Ronnie Lane in the Faces.

[twonabomber]

The whole institution is just odd to me, as is the reactions of fans if their bands aren't inducted or aren't in the Hall of Fame yet.

The Plain Dealer comment sections on Rock Hall stories are always full of Moody Blues and Chicago fans cryin'. The way I see it, neither band did anything that anyone else wasn't doing (Mellotron? Horns? Jazz influences?) and I don't ever remember reading an interview with ANYONE who claimed they picked up their instrument because they were influenced by the Moody Blues or Chicago. NOT ONE.

[Kristy]

The Replacements were a great band. They just did everything in their power to stay away from ever becoming popular or big. They screwed-up their chances at it every time the opportunity was placed in front of them.

There was an interview of them in Musician Magazine right before their breakup @ 1989 or 90 where Westerberg claims they did it to themselves. It wasn't just the excess of alcohol but the fact they told every executive from their record label (Sire) to "fuck off" and to "get the fuck out of here with your leather pants!" only to sit back later and collectively wonder "Gee, why is it we don't have a hit?"

[Kristy]

The Plain Dealer comment sections on Rock Hall stories are always full of Moody Blues and Chicago fans cryin'. The way I see it, neither band did anything that anyone else wasn't doing (Mellotron? Horns? Jazz influences?) and I don't ever remember reading an interview with ANYONE who claimed they picked up their instrument because they were influenced by the Moody Blues or Chicago. NOT ONE.

Chris Isaak? I wouldn't put it past him.

[VHscraps]

The green Chris Isaak album with 'You Owe Me Some Kind of Love', etc is an awesome album ...

[Terry]

The Plain Dealer comment sections on Rock Hall stories are always full of Moody Blues and Chicago fans cryin'. The way I see it, neither band did anything that anyone else wasn't doing (Mellotron? Horns? Jazz influences?) and I don't ever remember reading an interview with ANYONE who claimed they picked up their instrument because they were influenced by the Moody Blues or Chicago. NOT ONE.

True enough. However, say one is a Chicago or Moody Blues fan. Does it diminish the enjoyment one gets from listening to them if they aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? If not, then does it even matter if they're in or not?
It's like, for ages Rush fans had a tizzy because Rush wasn't in the Hall of Fame (I can't remember if Rush eventually got in or not), to the point where they had write-in campaigns and petitions and such. Yet Rush produced their best music before the Hall of Fame was even invented, and I don't remember listening to Hemispheres and saying "this is really great music...if only there were some institution that could recognize the band for how famous/great they are, then the music would sound that much better"...

[Satan]

Chicago probably deserves the nomination for their first 5 albums, but everything they did after Terry Kath died was pretty much the antithesis of rock and roll.

And anybody who was a fan of the Moody Blues in the 60s - and still considers themselves to be one - must have somehow avoided their godawful 80's "comeback" attempt.

I use that album to torment some of the worst sinners down here........

[Satan]

The Plain Dealer comment sections on Rock Hall stories are always full of Moody Blues and Chicago fans cryin'. The way I see it, neither band did anything that anyone else wasn't doing (Mellotron? Horns? Jazz influences?) and I don't ever remember reading an interview with ANYONE who claimed they picked up their instrument because they were influenced by the Moody Blues or Chicago. NOT ONE.

Well, I'm not so sure about that.......

Jimi Hendrix was obviously playing and very much established before he ever heard the original Chicago, but after claiming that Terry Kath was "better than me", Jimi soon disbanded the Experience and eventually tried to replace them with a larger band with a horn section.

That idea never really went anywhere, so it's splitting hairs to say how much influence they had, but Jimi apparently saw some validity in what they were doing.

[ODShowtime]

All I have to say is that Kiss Alive I and II and The Yes Song and Fragile are all masterworks. Those are four of the best records ever recorded. The last side of Alive II is garbage but the rest is all killer no filler. Those Yes albums sound so fucking good if you can find a vintage platter. That bass just jumps out of the speakers. And Ace is pretty much like a comic book guitar superhero.

Fuck people's opinions. Get stoned and listen to "A Venture" and "She" and the "Fish" and fucking "God of Thunder"! And tell those pussies from Cleveland to go fuck themselves!

[twonabomber]

Fuck people's opinions. Get stoned and listen to "A Venture" and "She" and the "Fish" and fucking "God of Thunder"! And tell those pussies from Cleveland to go fuck themselves!

Cleveland doesn't make the decisions...the HOF Foundation in NYC does. Direct your hate mail to Jann Wenner.

[twonabomber]

There was an interview of them in Musician Magazine right before their breakup @ 1989 or 90 where Westerberg claims they did it to themselves. It wasn't just the excess of alcohol but the fact they told every executive from their record label (Sire) to "fuck off" and to "get the fuck out of here with your leather pants!" only to sit back later and collectively wonder "Gee, why is it we don't have a hit?"

First time I saw the Replacements is when they opened for Tom Petty, on the Full Moon Fever tour. I don't remember any shenanigans or anything. I knew of their reputation from the Musician interviews and expected a trainwreck.

Second time was when they opened for Elvis Costello. Soon as they get on stage Tommy Stinson walks up to the mic and says "at least we don't have to listen to Free Fallin' any more." I'm pretty sure at least two of them were drunk that night, but it was a great set. I left before Costello came onstage.

I've seen Stinson's Bash And Pop twice, and Westerberg solo four or five times. Some of the loudest shows I've ever been to. Last time I was probably 10 feet from the stage at Cleveland House of Blues and it was just brutally loud. At one point between songs someone in the crowd yells "Buck Hill!" Westerberg says "Hey, FUCK YOU!" and a bigger part of the audience yells "BUCK HILL!" back...he laughs and they tore into it.

[Kristy]

All I have to say is that Kiss Alive I and II and The Yes Song and Fragile are all masterworks. Those are four of the best records ever recorded.

You've taken some real shitty drugs in your time.