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    Blueprint 2nd amendment

    The 2nd amendment at work:

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    Dramatic moment family rescued kidnapped and stabbed girl in shoot-out at abandoned house where she'd been held for 3 days

    Victim's family claim they shot dead Scott Thomas during rescue attempt


    The dramatic moment an uncle carried his terrified and bloodied niece to safety after she was kidnapped and held hostage in an abandoned Louisiana house was caught on camera today.

    Bethany Arceneaux was taken hostage on Wednesday evening by Scott Thomas, her ex-boyfriend and father of her child.

    A few hours after Marcus Arceneaux was pictured carrying his niece from a vacant house in Duson, a police swat team entered the building and Thomas was found shot dead.

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    So rare though, the statistics aren't with you.

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    The .45-caliber pistol that killed Lucas Heagren, 3, on Memorial Day last year at his Ohio home had been temporarily hidden under the couch by his father. But Lucas found it and shot himself through the right eye. “It’s bad,” his mother told the 911 dispatcher. “It’s really bad.”

    A few days later in Georgia, Cassie Culpepper, 11, was riding in the back of a pickup with her 12-year-old brother and two other children. Her brother started playing with a pistol his father had lent him to scare coyotes. Believing he had removed all the bullets, he pointed the pistol at his sister and squeezed the trigger. It fired, and blood poured from Cassie’s mouth.

    Just a few weeks earlier, in Houston, a group of youths found a Glock pistol in an apartment closet while searching for snack money. A 15-year-old boy was handling the gun when it went off. Alex Whitfield, who had just turned 11, was struck. A relative found the bullet in his ashes from the funeral home.

    BEARING ARMS
    Examining the gun industry’s influence and the availability of firearms in America

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    Cases like these are among the most gut-wrenching of gun deaths. Children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are collateral casualties of the accessibility of guns in America, their deaths all the more devastating for being eminently preventable.

    They die in the households of police officers and drug dealers, in broken homes and close-knit families, on rural farms and in city apartments. Some adults whose guns were used had tried to store them safely; others were grossly negligent. Still others pulled the trigger themselves, accidentally fracturing their own families while cleaning a pistol or hunting.

    And there are far more of these innocent victims than official records show.

    A New York Times review of hundreds of child firearm deaths found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate, because of idiosyncrasies in how such deaths are classified by the authorities. The killings of Lucas, Cassie and Alex, for instance, were not recorded as accidents. Nor were more than half of the 259 accidental firearm deaths of children under age 15 identified by The Times in eight states where records were available.

    As a result, scores of accidental killings are not reflected in the official statistics that have framed the debate over how to protect children from guns.



    The police investigation report in the Cassie Culpepper case indicates that her brother, Nicholas, shot her accidentally. But the state medical examiner classified her death as a homicide, a common practice for unintentional firearm deaths in which one person shoots another.
    The National Rifle Association cited the lower official numbers this year in a fact sheet opposing “safe storage” laws, saying children were more likely to be killed by falls, poisoning or environmental factors — an incorrect assertion if the actual number of accidental firearm deaths is significantly higher.

    In all, fewer than 20 states have enacted laws to hold adults criminally liable if they fail to store guns safely, enabling children to access them.

    Legislative and other efforts to promote the development of childproof weapons using “smart gun” technology have similarly stalled. Technical issues have been an obstacle, but so have N.R.A. arguments that the problem is relatively insignificant and the technology unneeded.

    Because of maneuvering in Congress by the gun lobby and its allies, firearms have also been exempted from regulation by the Consumer Product Safety Commission since its inception.

    Even with a proper count, intentional shooting deaths of children — including gang shootings and murder-suicides by family members — far exceed accidental gun deaths. But accidents, more than the other firearm-related deaths, come with endless hypotheticals about what could have been done differently.

    The rifle association’s lobbying arm recently posted on its Web site a claim that adult criminals who mishandle firearms — as opposed to law-abiding gun owners — are responsible for most fatal accidents involving children. But The Times’s review found that a vast majority of cases revolved around children’s access to firearms, with the shooting either self-inflicted or done by another child.

    A common theme in the cases examined by The Times, in fact, was the almost magnetic attraction of firearms among boys. In all but a handful of instances, the shooter was male. Boys also accounted for more than 80 percent of the victims.

    Time and again, boys could not resist handling a gun, disregarding repeated warnings by adults and, sometimes, their own sense that they were doing something wrong.

    When Joshua Skorczewski, 11, took an unloaded 20-gauge shotgun out of the family gun cabinet in western Minnesota on July 28, 2008, it was because he was excited about going to a gun safety class that night and wanted to practice.

    But for reasons that he later struggled to explain to the police, Joshua loaded a single shell into the gun and pulled the hammer back. He decided he should put the gun back, but his finger slipped. It fired, killing his 12-year-old sister, Natasha, who was standing in the kitchen with him. When his mother called from work to check on them, a shaken Joshua told her he had just called 911: “Mom, I shot Tasha.”

    Christina Wenzel, the mother of Alex Whitfield, had tried to make sure he did not visit anyone’s house if guns were present. What she did not know, when Alex went to his father’s apartment last April, was that a family member had stored three loaded guns there.

    “I always thought I had Alex protected from being killed by another child by a gun that was not secured,” Ms. Wenzel said. “Unfortunately, I was mistaken.”

    Undercounting Deaths


    Compiling a complete census of accidental gun deaths of children is difficult, because most states do not consider death certificate data a matter of public record. In a handful of states, however, the information is publicly available. Using these death records as a guide, along with hundreds of medical examiner and coroner reports and police investigative files, The Times sought to identify every accidental firearm death of a child age 14 and under in Georgia, Minnesota, North Carolina and Ohio dating to 1999, and in California to 2007. Records were also obtained from several county medical examiners’ offices in Florida, Illinois and Texas.

    When children are killed in unintentional shootings, medical examiners and coroners classify many as homicides, or even suicides. A detailed examination by The New York Times of death records, available in just a handful of states, found that fedderal statistics.)

    The undercount stems from the peculiarities by which medical examiners and coroners make their “manner of death” rulings. These pronouncements, along with other information entered on death certificates, are the basis for the nation’s mortality statistics, which are assembled by the National Center for Health Statistics, a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Choosing among five options — homicide, accidental, suicide, natural or undetermined — most medical examiners and coroners simply call any death in which one person shoots another a homicide.

    “A homicide just means they died at the hands of another,” said Dr. Randy L. Hanzlick, the chief medical examiner for Fulton County, Ga. “It doesn’t really connote there’s an intent to kill.”

    These rulings can be wildly inconsistent.

    In Bexar County, Tex., for example, the medical examiner’s office issued a finding of homicide in the death of William Reddick, a 9-month-old who was accidentally killed on May 17, 1999, when his 2-year-old brother opened a dresser drawer while in the crib with him, grabbed a pistol and pulled the trigger.

    But the next year, when Kyle Bedford, 2, was killed by his 5-year-old brother, who had found a gun on a closet shelf, the same office classified the death as an accident.



    The circumstances behind the accidental shooting deaths of Kyle Bedford and William Reddick were similar. But the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office ruled one was a homicide and the other was an accident, highlighting just how inconsistent these pronouncements can be.
    Even self-inflicted shootings that are clearly accidental, like that of Lucas Heagren in Ohio, can wind up classified as homicides.

    Lucas’s father, Joshua Heagren, had tried to teach the 3-year-old to respect firearms. The boy had gotten a .22 rifle for Christmas, and his father showed him how to fire it. But he also warned him to handle it only when an adult was present.

    “He never even attempted to touch guns when Josh wasn’t around,” Lucas’s mother, Kaitlin Campbell, testified at Mr. Heagren’s trial, where he was convicted of negligent homicide and endangering children. “He knew.”

    On the day of the accident, Mr. Heagren had been planning to go out shooting, so he took his pistol from the bedroom, where he normally kept it in a holster between the mattress and the box spring, according to his court testimony. When Ms. Campbell and Lucas returned from buying an inflatable swimming pool, Mr. Heagren slid his gun under the couch before heading outside to set up the pool.

    At some point, with his mother distracted by her phone a few steps away, Lucas discovered the gun, grabbed the butt and squeezed the trigger with his thumbs, according to the authorities.

    “Our thought process was, parents have a duty to keep their child safe,” said Dr. Lisa Kohler, the Summit County medical examiner, whose office classified the case as a homicide. “Leaving a loaded weapon in an area where the child can easily access it is neglect in our mind. Therefore parents have failed to keep a child safe, and therefore it’s a homicide.”

    Dr. Kohler said that because of the neglect issue, her office would almost never classify a firearm-related death as accidental, but added, “Different jurisdictions are going to handle things differently.”

    Bob Anderson, the chief of the mortality statistics branch at the National Center for Health Statistics, explained that the federal data on firearm deaths are “only as good as the information that comes in.”

    “I try to tell people when they look at the accidental data, particularly for children, you have to recognize it’s an underestimate,” he said.

    A few public health researchers have noted the undercount in the past, based on their own academic studies. (One study found the opposite phenomenon — an overcount — among fatal gun accidents involving adults because of a different quirk in the data.) To get more accurate information about firearm deaths, researchers have pushed for the expansion of the National Violent Death Reporting System.

    The effort first started in the 1990s at the C.D.C. but was shut down shortly afterward when Congress, at the urging of the N.R.A., blocked firearms-related research at the centers. The project was revived in 2002 after researchers decided to expand its scope beyond guns, but it is up and running in only 18 states. President Obama has called for increased financing for the program, part of a package of gun-related proposals made after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., last December.

    Another important aspect of firearm accidents is that a vast majority of victims do not die. Tracking these injuries nationally, however, is arguably just as problematic as tallying fatalities, according to public health researchers. In fact, national figures often cited from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web site are an estimate, projected from a sampling taken from hospital emergency departments. Nevertheless, in 2011, the most recent year with available data, the agency estimated that there were 847 unintentional nonfatal firearm injuries among children 14 and under.

    More concrete are actual counts of emergency department visits, which are available in a small number of states. In North Carolina, for instance, there were more than 120 such visits for nonfatal gun accidents among children 17 and under in 2010, the most recent year for which data is available.

    A Failed Lock

    On a hot and humid August afternoon last year in Hinesville, Ga., Matthew Underhill, a staff sergeant in the Army, was mowing the lawn while his wife, Tessa, was in the house watching television with their 5-year-old son, Matthew. Their other son, Tristan, 2, was scampering down a hallway toward the bedrooms.

    It had been a good day for Tristan. He had used the potty for the first time. He and his mother had danced a little jig. Down the hall, Tristan entered the bedroom where his father had been staying because of quarrels with his wife. She had chided her husband in the past for forgetting to safely store his .45-caliber handgun. But he had recently put a lock on his door to keep out his wife and children. He thought he had locked the door before going out to cut the grass.


    Tristan Underhill, 2, died from an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound after he found his father's gun under a pillow in an unlocked bedroom.
    The lock, though, had failed to catch. Tristan found the loaded gun under the pillow on his father’s bed. He pointed it at his own forehead and pulled the trigger. Hearing the gunshot, Sergeant Underhill sprinted inside to find Tristan face down on the bed, the gun beneath him. When he called 911, the sergeant was screaming so hysterically that the dispatcher initially mistook him for a woman.

    “My 2-year-old just shot himself in the head,” he said breathlessly. “He’s dead.”

    Tristan’s death underscored several themes running through the cases examined by The Times.

    While about 60 percent of the accidental firearm deaths identified by The Times involved handguns as opposed to long guns, that number was much higher — more than 85 percent — when the victims were very young, under the age of 6. In fact, the average handgun victim was several years younger than long gun victims: between 7 and 8, compared with almost 11.

    Over all, the largest number of deaths came at the upper end of the age range, with ages 13 and 14 being most common — not necessarily surprising, given that parents generally allow adolescents greater access to guns. But the third-most common age was 3 (tied with 12), a particularly vulnerable age, when children are curious and old enough to manipulate a firearm but ignorant of the dangers.

    About a quarter of the victims shot themselves, with younger children again especially susceptible. More than half of the self-inflicted shootings involved children 5 or under; the most common age was 3.

    About half of the accidents took place inside the child’s home. A third, however, occurred at the house of a friend or a relative, pointing to a potential vulnerability if safe-storage laws apply only to households with children, as in North Carolina.

    In opposing safe-storage laws, some gun rights advocates have argued that a majority of accidental shootings of children are committed by adults with criminal backgrounds. The Times’s review found that was not the case — children were most often the shooters — and that the families involved came from all walks of life.

    On Dec. 1, 2006, Beth Dwyer was getting her two boys, ages 5 and 8, ready for school. Her husband, Daron, the minister of music at the family’s church in Gastonia, N.C., was not home because he had enrolled in a seminary several hours away. The night before, Ms. Dwyer had taken the family’s .25-caliber handgun from the top drawer of a dresser and placed it next to her on the bed. In the morning, she forgot to put it away.

    Her 8-year-old found the gun. He initially tried to cock it and pulled the trigger, pointing the gun at the bathroom floor, but nothing happened, according to the medical examiner’s report. Evidently thinking the gun was empty, he tried again, pointing the gun at his brother, Matthew, who was crouched on the bathroom counter, having just finished brushing his teeth. This time, with a live round in the chamber, the gun went off, and Matthew toppled to the floor, shot through the forehead.

    Based on a detailed examination of 259 gun deaths of children under 15 from jurisdictions that make death records public, including California, Georgia, Minnesota, North Carolina and Ohio, as well as Bexar, Tarrant and Harris Counties in Texas; Broward and Orange Counties in Florida; and Cook County, Ill.

    A Census of Tragedy
    From a detailed examination of 259 accidental gun deaths of children under 15.
    Even in accidental shootings where criminals were in some way involved, they usually were not the ones pulling the trigger. Rather, they — like many law-abiding adults in these cases — simply left a gun unsecured.

    As a felon, Anthony Wise was not supposed to have a firearm. But he was able to buy a .38 Special revolver on the street for $30. He had it in his ex-girlfriend’s apartment in Venice, Ill., on Jan. 29, 2007, when he left it next to a computer in the living room and went to another room. Within minutes, a 4-year-old boy, one of several small children in the apartment, picked up the gun and pointed it at his 2-year-old cousin, Timberlyn Terrell. The gun fired. The boy later told an investigator what happened next.

    “Blood came out of her forehead,” the boy said, according to a transcript of the interview. He then said he did not want to talk about it anymore and asked for “my mama.”

    Timberlyn died. Mr. Wise was convicted of felony firearm possession, but his 10-year federal prison sentence was based in part on the judge’s determination that he had also endangered a child with his negligence.

    “Wise would have been a felon in possession even had he possessed the gun in a more responsible way — say, if he had kept it unloaded in a locked cabinet, or if he had kept it unloaded with a trigger lock,” an appellate judge wrote in rejecting his bid for leniency. “More than likely, though, responsible possession would not have endangered the lives of children.”

    Safety vs. Self-Defense

    The impact of the undercount of accidental gun deaths emerges in stark relief in the statehouse battles over gun-storage laws.

    In state after state and often with considerable success, gun rights groups have cited the federal numbers as proof that the problem is nearly inconsequential and that storage laws are unnecessary. Gun Owners of America says on its Web site that children are “130 percent more likely to die from choking on their dinner” than from accidental shootings.

    In February 2012, the rifle association issued a member alert about a proposed safe-storage law in Washington State, arguing that shootings are “at the bottom of the list of causes of accidental harm to children.” The group accused State Senator Adam Kline, who introduced the measure, of being interested only in “making life miserable for law-abiding gun owners.” The legislation never made it out of committee.

    Under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention figures, in fact, gun accidents were the ninth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 1 to 14 in 2010. (The agency reported 62 such killings that year.) If the actual numbers are, in fact, roughly double, however, gun accidents would rise into the top five or six.

    Gun rights groups have certainly called on gun owners to safely store their firearms. The National Shooting Sports Foundation says that it has distributed 36 million free firearm safety kits and that manufacturers have shipped 60 million locks with guns sold since 1998. But the groups argue that requiring gun owners to lock up their weapons could make it harder to use them for self-protection.

    The rifle association and its allies also often note that studies on the impact of safe-storage laws have found mixed results. But those studies are based on the flawed government statistics.

    “When we’re evaluating child access laws, we’re using total trash data,” said Catherine Barber, a researcher at the Injury Control Research Center of the Harvard School of Public Health.

    Getting a definitive count of the number of states with a safe-storage law is difficult, but The Times identified only 18, using information from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and researchers who have studied the laws. And in most of those states, charges can be brought only if the child uses the weapon in a threatening manner, injures someone with it or displays it in public.

    Even so, in one state, North Carolina, where the law is narrowly drawn to apply only to adults with minors living at home, the authorities charged about 150 people between June 2006 and June 2011, an analysis of court records shows.


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    An Accidental Shooting
    14-year-old Noah McGuire was accidentally shot by a friend, with a gun that had been kept behind a television.Photo: Chris Parker/ThisWeek Newspapers; Video: Vijai Singh and Christopher Toothman for The New York Times
    Jodi Sandoval of Ohio discovered the limits of her state’s laws after her 14-year-old son, Noah McGuire, was accidentally killed on July 5, 2012, in a suburb of Columbus.

    Noah had slept over at the home of his close friend Levi Reed, who lived with his grandparents. In the morning, with no adults around, the boys went looking for a lighter to set off some fireworks. Instead, they found a .45-caliber handgun behind a television in a bedroom, one of three guns that Levi’s grandfather later told the police he had kept there for protection.

    Though his grandfather had always admonished him never to handle the weapons, Levi, 14, removed the magazine, pointed the gun at his friend and pulled the trigger. He did not realize that a round had remained in the chamber.

    Levi was recently sentenced in juvenile court to 12 months of probation for reckless homicide, a felony. Ms. Sandoval strongly opposed the prosecution, telling the court at Levi’s sentencing that the adults who failed to properly secure the gun were the ones who should be punished. But there is no safe-storage law in Ohio.

    “There are no accidents,” Ms. Sandoval said. “There are simply irresponsible, stubborn, cowardly adults unwilling to stand up against the gun lobby and those who support it.”

    A safe-storage bill was introduced in the Ohio legislature in February, prompted by a shooting that killed three students at a high school in suburban Cleveland. But the measure, which would prohibit storing a firearm in a residence in a place readily accessible to a child, has encountered skepticism from the Republicans who control the legislature.

    “The tenor was, somebody breaks in, do I have time enough to get to my gun?” said State Representative Bill Patmon, a Democrat who introduced the bill.

    A similar measure introduced in Louisiana this year also went nowhere.

    The N.R.A. has long argued that better education is the key to preventing gun accidents, citing its Eddie Eagle GunSafe program, which teaches children as young as 3 that if they see a gun, they should “stop, don’t touch, leave the area and tell an adult.” The association, which did not respond to a request for comment, says its program has reached more than 26 million children in all 50 states and should be credited for the deep decline in accidental gun deaths shown in federal statistics dating to the mid-1980s.

    Beyond the unreliability of the federal data, public health experts have disputed the N.R.A.’s claims, pointing to other potential explanations for the decline, including improvements in emergency medical care, along with data showing fewer households with firearms. They also highlight research indicating that admonishing children to stay away from guns is often ineffective.

    “I have no problem with that message, and I would hope every child in America could follow it,” said Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a co-author of a study published in 2001 in the journal Pediatrics. “I just know that they won’t.”

    As part of Dr. Kellermann’s study, researchers watched through a one-way mirror as pairs of boys ages 8 to 12 were left alone in an examination room at a clinic in Atlanta. Unknown to the children, an inoperative .38-caliber handgun was concealed in a cabinet drawer.


    Noah McGuire with his father, Matt McGuire. Noah was shot by his friend Levi Reed with a gun found in Levi's grandfather's house. Levi thought the gun was unloaded.
    Playing and exploring over the next 15 minutes, one boy after another — three-quarters of the 64 children — found the gun. Two-thirds handled it, and one-third actually pulled the trigger. Just one child went to tell an adult about the gun, and he was teased by his peers for it. More than 90 percent of the boys said they had had some gun safety instruction.

    Other research has found that simply having a firearm in the household is correlated with an increased risk of accidental shooting death. In one study, published in 2003 in the journal Accident Analysis and Prevention, the risk was more than three times as high for one gun, and almost four times as high for more than one.

    As a solution, many behavioral researchers advocate greater emphasis on child-proofing firearms, along with safe-storage laws. But requiring, or even encouraging, efforts to introduce “smart gun” technology remains unpopular with the gun lobby, which has worked to undermine such research and attempts to regulate firearms as a dangerous consumer product.

    In 2000, after President Bill Clinton proposed spending $10 million to help develop a gun that could be fired only by its owner, the rifle association ran derisory radio ads. One, called “Mad Scientist,” featured a Clinton impersonator and a bumbling scientist “deep in the White House laboratory,” trying in vain to get the new technology to work.

    A commercially successful smart gun has, in fact, proved difficult to develop. Hurdles include creating fail-safe user-recognition technology, integrating delicate electronic components that can withstand shock from repeated firings, and allaying concerns of manufacturers fearful of liability if a supposedly safe gun was to fail.

    Technologies exist, but a lack of research financing has hobbled their progress to the market, as have questions about whether consumers would actually want them. The opposition from gun rights advocates has certainly not helped. Some gun control advocates, meanwhile, fear that such technologies would lead to greater acceptance of firearms in the home.

    In the mid-2000s, an Australian defense technology company called Metal Storm teamed with the gun maker Taurus International Manufacturing and the New Jersey Institute of Technology to develop a gun in the United States that would have fired only when gripped by its owner. New Jersey became the first state to require that handguns use smart-gun technology within three years after it is deemed safe and commercially available.

    But Taurus backed out within a few months, citing competing priorities, and the project fell apart. Charles Vehlow, Metal Storm’s chief executive at the time, said that while he did not know exactly what pressures Taurus faced, there was a general wariness of smart-gun efforts among manufacturers and pro-gun groups.

    “There was no question that the N.R.A. was very sensitive and was aware of what we were doing,” he said.

    The Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Smith & Wesson experienced a backlash against their own smart-gun programs, which were abandoned amid financial problems caused, in part, by boycotts from gun groups and others in the industry. So unpopular was the whole smart-gun concept that Colt’s Manufacturing later could not even find a buyer for its patents, said Carlton Chen, a former lawyer for the company.

    “I think people looked at Colt’s, they looked at the boycott and they looked at Smith & Wesson, and they thought, ‘Do we really want to go it alone?’ ” Mr. Chen said. “Gun companies have to be fairly careful about what they do.”

    Gun rights lobbyists have also helped keep firearms and ammunition beyond the reach of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has the power to regulate other products that are dangerous to children. The N.R.A. argues that the commission would provide a back door for gun control advocates to restrict the manufacture of firearms. Proponents of regulation say guns pose too great a hazard to exclude them from scrutiny.

    “We know in the world of injury control that designing safer products is often the most efficient way to reduce tragedies,” said Dr. Kellermann, the co-author of the boys-and-guns study, who is a dean at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. “Why, if we have childproof aspirin bottles, don’t we have childproof guns?”

    A Complex Relationship

    A few months ago, Daron Dwyer took his 14-year-old son shooting for the first time, six years after he accidentally killed his brother with the gun he found in his parents’ North Carolina bedroom.


    Matthew Dwyer, 5, was shot by his brother with a pistol his mother had left out at their home in North Carolina.
    Mr. Dwyer had removed all the guns from the house, sending them to his father. But about a year ago, his son started asking if he could learn to shoot. Mr. Dwyer said he would think about it.

    It was a question that Mr. Dwyer, who now works as a fitness director at a Y.M.C.A., knew would come. Relatives would often go shooting together during family gatherings. His son was fascinated by all things military. Guns were simply a part of life where they were from. “In my context, there’s a part of a young man’s growing-up experience that includes exposure to firearms,” Mr. Dwyer said. “That’s one of the responsibilities, like learning how to drive a car.”

    Mr. Dwyer also saw an opportunity for forgiveness. “It’s kind of a tangible expression of the reality of ‘I do not hold this against you,’ ” he said.

    So, alone in the Tennessee woods with his son this past spring, Mr. Dwyer watched him fire a .22 rifle a few times, and a 12-gauge shotgun. In the shattering of the stillness of the forest clearing, both sensed the import of the moment.

    “I’m a quietly emotional person usually,” Mr. Dwyer said. “And so I didn’t burst into tears or anything, but inside that’s exactly what it was, mostly in the sense of me wanting him to realize this whole thing of forgiveness, to really feel the impact of the weight lifted, which I think he did.”

    Mr. Dwyer’s feelings on guns today are complicated. He still firmly believes in “the right for people to defend themselves.” At the same time, he said: “It is also right to protect children from danger. Those are things you have to hold in tension.”

    Under North Carolina law, his wife could have been charged for failing to keep the gun that killed their younger son stored safely. But she was not. Mr. Dwyer described her mistake as a momentary mental lapse, not blatant negligence. And he said that while he agreed with the law in principle, he also had sympathy for the objections to it.

    “For defense at night,” he said, “I don’t think you should have to have a lock on it because you’re going to have to access it quickly.”

    The deep hold that guns have on American culture also emerges in interviews with several other parents who lost children to firearms accidents.

    In the summer of 2009, Joshua Skorczewski finally completed the gun safety classes he had been planning to attend a year before, the night he accidentally killed his sister in Minnesota. His parents thought that it would be good for him to be schooled on safety, that the training would be helpful, “so he would not be afraid of guns,” said his mother, Wendy Skorczewski.

    Ms. Skorczewski had once planned to go through the classes too, but later decided against it. “I don’t want nothing to do with them anymore,” she said.

    For two years after Joshua went through the training, the family’s rifles and shotguns remained locked away. Joshua and his father returned to bowhunting, but it was not until 2011 that they took out the shotguns again to hunt pheasants.

    Ms. Skorczewski explained that in her part of the country, hunting is “in your blood.” She knew she could not ask her husband to get rid of his guns. He needs the escape that hunting provides, she said: “You got to have something to do in your life other than work.”


    Tessa Underhill, whose son Tristan was killed last year in Georgia, has also struggled over where to draw the line. As a former corrections officer and Army veteran, she is no stranger to firearms. She used to enjoy going out shooting. Now she is finished with guns, refusing to allow them in her house.

    “My child living is more important to me than somebody stealing my flat screen,” she said.

    She knows, however, that her husband, whom she is in the process of divorcing, still has a rifle. Her other son, Matthew, now 6, is therefore still exposed to firearms. When asked if she would want Matthew to go shooting with his father one day or be a gun owner himself, she paused.

    “That’s a hard question,” she said. “I know that’s something men do, that fathers and sons do.”

    “You need to know how to use one,” she added. “Do I want him to have a gun case full of guns? If he keeps them unloaded and is safe about it.”
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    Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics.
    Looks like mom has a Russian SKS. I had a parade model with a chromed bolt carrier and bayonet. Like a fool I sold it. Prices on the things shot up and parade models are very rare.

    Then you have a Tapco fucked AK and probably a Romanian AK. Run of the mill and probably junk. Half of the people there need to go on a diet. Honestly. If you are going to fight UN troops or whoever they fear is coming to get them, you would think they would get in shape for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Somebody really needs to call Child Protective Services and get those poor kids away from those fucking lunatics.
    Right, data. Set phasers to dumbass.

    Meanwhile, uncle shotgun Joe says:

    Robber wounded by shotgun in Independence
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    An attempted home invasion by two men in Independence was thwarted Saturday night when one of the occupants wounded an attacker with a shotgun and the other fled, according to police.

    Independence police said the home invasion occurred at about 9:30 p.m. in the 800 block of S. Park Avenue. Two men forced their way into the home and then physically assaulted the two male residents.

    One victim retrieved his shotgun and shot one of his attackers in the abdomen. The wounded man was taken into custody at the scene by police and transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/03...#storylink=cpy

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    http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...9bb30f31a.html

    The Catoosa County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the death of a teen shot and killed Monday afternoon, Nov. 11, following a burglary attempt in the Boynton area.

    The death followed the homeowner opening fire on two suspected burglars, fatally wounding one with a bullet to his neck.

    According to the Catoosa County Sheriff’s Office, the incident occurred in the 2500 block of Post Oak Road off Boynton Drive about 4 p.m., when a resident discovered the deceased and another teenage boy on his property attempting to break into the home.

    Police say the resident fired his revolver when he spotted the pair in his back yard.

    The two boys, age 16 and 17, ran from the scene and jumped into a vehicle, where an 18-year-old girl was waiting for them.

    A short time latter, the trio were pulled over by deputies on Boynton Drive who discovered the 17-year-old had been shot, police say.

    The boy was taken to Hutcheson hospital, where he later died from his wound.

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    http://www.kptv.com/story/23999393/w...rhood-intruder

    Woman pulls gun on Milwaukie neighborhood intruder

    MILWAUKIE, OR (KPTV) -

    A woman pulled her gun on a suspected intruder who made his way through a Milwaukie neighborhood on Friday night.

    Police said home surveillance video shows a man looking through windows of a house where a babysitter was inside caring for some kids who live there.

    The babysitter said she told the man to leave. At that point, the suspect walked to a nearby apartment complex. That is when a woman said the suspect followed her up a set of stairs and into her apartment.

    The woman asked the suspect what he wanted and he said, "Are you ready to meet God?"

    At that point, the woman said she ran to her bedroom to get her gun, but the suspect left.

    Police said they found the man hiding in the neighborhood. They took him to a Portland-area hospital for a mental health evaluation. Police said he faces charges of menacing and trespass

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    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/236...h-baseball-bat


    Deputies said an elderly woman shot an intruder who attacked another woman with a baseball bat in Pendleton on Monday afternoon.

    Lt. Sheila Cole with the Anderson County Sheriff's Office said about 3 p.m. a man forced his way into a Mays Street home and attacked a woman inside the home.

    The elderly homeowner then shot the man with a revolver, grazing his head, according to Cole.

    Cole said both the intruder and the younger woman were taken to AnMed Health. She said the victim was treated and released Monday night while the suspect, identified as Richard Keese, 54, was released on Tuesday.

    Keese is being held at the county jail facing charges of attempted murder and burglary, according to the Anderson County Detention Center's website.

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    http://www.king5.com/news/Home-owner...232508021.html

    Home invasion victim: 'I thought we were dead'

    BUCKLEY, Wash. — A Pierce County man says he was defending himself when he shot and killed a man who broke into his home late Monday night.

    The incident took place around 11 p.m. in the 25000 block of 164th Street East on the outskirts of Buckley. Detectives believe the suspect broke through the front gate with his car, crashed into another car, and broke into the home of an elderly couple in their 60s.

    The homeowner’s wife said she locked herself in her bedroom after the intruder forced his way into their home.

    “I thought we were dead,” said the woman, who did not want her name published.

    The man crashed through the front gate of their home. She said he smashed out the windows on their front door, barged inside and started beating her husband.

    “He asked what he wanted,” said the woman, who described the man as having a “crazed” look.

    “He never spoke,” she said.

    The medical examiner identified the alleged intruder as 21-year-old Cole Mathews. He had no criminal record.

    Relatives said Mathews would not have hurt anyone. They believe he got in a car crash and went to the home looking for help.

    Detectives say the couple and the physical evidence suggest Mathews was violent and may have been on drugs. Investigators were awaiting toxicology reports to determine if Mathews was under the influence.

    Meanwhile, the homeowner was taken to the hospital, where he was treated for minor injuries. His wife says he was at home recovering from the attack. She says he has survived two open heart surgeries and two back surgeries.

    Detectives said the homeowner would not likely face any charges.

    "We are so lucky we had a gun," his wife said. "I'll never feel safe in my home again."

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    Man Shot At Bi-Lo Parking Lot Taken Into Custody; Another Robber Was Killed By Hold-Up Victim - 12/09/2013 - Chattanoogan.com

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    Man Shot At Bi-Lo Parking Lot Taken Into Custody; Another Robber Was Killed By Hold-Up Victim
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    A man who was shot during an apparent robbery at the Highway 58 Bi-Lo parking lot on Wednesday has been taken into custody.

    Galen Lawayne Allen Jr., 26. is charged with attempted first-degree murder, aggravated robbery, aggravated assault and tampering with evidence.

    Police said he initially was in critical condition.

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    http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/2...uld-be-burglar

    TOLEDO, OH (Toledo News Now) -

    A west Toledo man is recovering after being shot during an attempted burglary overnight, but he will be charged for his involvement.

    Police say Antione Garret, 34, and his girlfriend awoke to the sound of someone breaking into their home on Leybourn Avenue. When Garret heard the front window shatter, he ran downstairs and saw Randy Estrada, 21, climbing inside. Garret fired his handgun several times, until Estrada climbed back out the window and ran away.

    A short time later, Estrada called 911 to report that he had been shot and was taken to a Toledo hospital for treatment. He is expected to survive his injuries.

    "If someone's breaking into your house and you fear for your safety, you have the right to defend yourself and your family. And in this case, that's what we believe Mr. Garret has done," said Sgt. Joe Heffernan with the Toledo Police Department.

    Police say Estrada will likely be charged once he is released from the hospital.

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    http://www.khou.com/news/crime/1-dea...235866101.html

    HARRIS COUNTY – One suspect is dead after workers at a Church’s Chicken restaurant fought off an attempted robbery Friday night in northwest Harris County, deputies said.

    According to the Harris County Sheriff’s Office, three gunmen in masks tried to hold up the restaurant located in the 12000 block of Veterans Memorial near South Camden Park around 8:30 p.m.

    The suspects went inside the restaurant demanding money from employees, deputies said. Then two went outside to stand guard, while the third went behind the counter into the kitchen.

    While the gunman was distracted, the restaurant manager grabbed a gun he kept hidden and shot the suspect still in the restaurant, deputies said.

    Deputies said the other two suspects fled the scene. The wounded suspect died at the scene.

    None of the employees or customers were injured during the robbery.

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    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...O01/302220048/


    February 22, 2014 at 5:14 pm
    Detroit homeowner kills 1 intruder, wounds another

    Detroit — Two men who broke into a southwest Detroit house early Saturday morning encountered an armed homeowner who opened fire, killing one of the intruders and wounding the other.

    The incident is the second this week involving a homeowner who used a firearm to fend off intruders

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2uziGLtBx

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    When I was in 7th grade the hot topics were gun control, abortion, and nuclear power. It's 2014. Nothing has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    When I was in 7th grade the hot topics were gun control, abortion, and nuclear power. It's 2014. Nothing has changed.
    Actually a lot has changed......

    The nuclear plants are outdated and falling apart (see Fuck-You-Shima) and the gun nuts are now claiming the "right" to commit murder over somebody's choice of music or junk food. And some of them are even killing doctors in their own churches, while calling abortion "murder" (just to work your third topic in there).

    So yeah, a lot has changed. And not for the better.

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    Killing someone unless your life is threatened is murder. Nothing new with that. People have always murdered people over silly shit. What has changed is we never locked our front door in 1979. I never had a key. Never needed one. Now we lock the front door.

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    http://www.lex18.com/news/home-invas...t-by-homeowner

    Home Invasion Suspect Shot By Homeowner

    Lexington police are investigating a home invasion that ended badly for an attempted robber.

    Police say two men tried to break in to a home in the 1700 block of Bryan Station Road.

    Shortly after 8pm Friday, the homeowner told police two men kicked in his back door. Police say the man was armed with a gun and fired a couple of rounds to protect himself.

    One of the men was shot in the leg and police found him lying in the driveway. The other man got away and police are still searching for him.

    "The homeowner had apparently been the victim of crime before and so that's why he was always cautious and owned the fire arm and in tonight's situation he protected himself," said Lt. Eddie Hart with the Lexington Police Department.

    "My wife and I have lived here since 1973 and we're going to protect our property so if they come on our property to do harm, we'll do harm back," said neighbor Jess Craig.

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    Homeowner’s friend shoots alleged intruder/robber, sends another fleeing

    LAKE STEVENS — Police said two masked, armed men allegedly entered a garage of a home in the Lake Stevens area, confronted the homeowner and his friend there and allegedly attempted to rob them. But the friend was able to pull a gun out of his car and opened fire, hitting one of the suspects and prompting the other one to flee, police said.
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    The Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office said the shooting took place at a home in the 7000 block of 126th Drive NE.

    “It is believed that two men, the homeowner and a male acquaintance, were in the garage when two males entered with their faces covered and attempted to rob them at gunpoint,” the sheriff’s office said in a news release.

    “The acquaintance of the homeowner, a 33 year-old male, allegedly pulled a gun out of his car and shot one of the robbery suspects. The other suspect fled. The homeowner called 911.

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    http://www.waff.com/story/25431904/d...wn-to-hospital

    DECATUR, AL (WAFF) -

    Charges are pending against a man who was shot twice in the chest during a home invasion in Decatur, according to police.

    Investigators said the shooting happened at a residence on Hartung Street and 7th Avenue shortly before noon on Monday.

    According to police, Gary Lynn McClimans II was attempting to make contact with his ex-wife when officers were called out to the scene and issued a verbal trespassing warning for him to leave.

    Shortly after the warning, authorities said McClimans kicked in the front door and the homeowner, Jason Brown, fired two shots, hitting him in the chest.

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    http://abc11.com/news/home-invasion-...-county/56504/

    Home invasion suspect arrested in Vance County

    VANCE COUNTY, N.C. (WTVD) --
    A homeowner in Vance County opened fire on a man who kicked in his door Monday morning.

    It happened about 9:45 a.m. as the homeowner, Jonathan Haith, was sleeping in his home in the 2200 block of Thomas Lane.



    Authorities have arrested 23-year-old Gregory Johnson in connection with the home invasion.

    "Somebody was you know knocking on the door at 9:15, 9:30 in the morning," said Haith. "I wanted to roll over and stay in the air conditioning, and I just ignored it."

    When the door knocks lasting 15 minutes were followed by a boom and a thud, Haith grabbed his AR-15 semi-automatic from under his bed and slowly crept into the hallway.

    "I peeked around the corner, saw a tall, slender black gentleman standing over me with a pistol," said Haith.

    When Johnson allegedly fired at Haith with a 9mm and missed, he fired back. The bullet pierced the Johnson's stomach and shoulder.

    "That was my round," said Haith. "Evidently, it went through his body and struck the wall."

    Pandemonium followed, and Johnson scurried out. An apparent getaway vehicle spun out of Haith's yard to pick up Johnson, who had collapsed outside of a day care up the street.

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    Yet Sesh, and many more, drink to excess frequently, and get behind the wheel of a 4000 pound weapon.

    More people are killed by drunk drivers, than accidental shootings.

    You gun haters are hypocrites. You just prefer different weapons to kill and maim people with.
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    Keep me out of this I get taxis and trains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Keep me out of this I get taxis and trains.
    Ha ha!

    Were you sober when you crashed that shitty Jaguar?

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    Totally.

    I hit 3 other cars and closed the main motorway between Scotland and England - it made the national traffic news.

    The first thing the cops did was breathalyze me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Totally.
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