Roth Army

[PETE'S BROTHER]

and trying my best to avoid internet drama.

[WARF]

"trying" is the key word

[Nitro Express]

For me the issue lies in what seems to be your tunnel vision towards the goal of free speach at the expense of the most common shred of human decency and common sense.

Not sure what you do for a living, but have you ever been in a situation where a contract exists between yourself or a company you represent...and there is a disagreement? What I always do in that situation is have another read of the contractual terms and understand what the spirit of the agreement and what the intention was. If maintaining a solid relationship with all parties is the ultimate goal then that is exactly the best path. If either part gets stuck on specific language of the contract and refuses to budge an inch while the very basis of the contract is undermined and trust destroyed then everyone is just a fool.

It seems you lost your way there a bit Sesh in all of this mess despite your best intentions.

I am no one here other than an intermittent poster with no more than my $20 contribution here and there, but at the end of the day we are just a small community of posters who have a few common interests. Is it too much to ask for us to have a safe place to gather? That wasn't the case under your guidance with this issue specifically and I was surprised at the time.

Let's simplify this right now...we have WARF admitting he was basically off his rocker and not able to make correct decisions...he had his supporters enabling him and making excuises for their tacit, direct, and indirect support - all the while none of the insanity being curtailed by you despite it being beyond vile and causing people to flee the site in record numbers.

We had someone not in his right mind wreaking havoc here, and because you had free speach in mind as your unbending goal all is ok? I don't think you can get off that easy.

Everyone makes mistakes, so how about you admit to one and we all learn from this?

I think Sesh has ran this place just fine. He owns it. It's his. If you want to donate it's a donation. It doesn't make you a shareholder. I think people take this internet forum business too seriously. Laugh it off. Who cares. My hell. If internet posts bother you that much you really don't have a lot of self esteem.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

If internet posts bother you that much you really don't have a lot of self esteem.

or too much compassion?

[Romeo Delight]

If you want to donate it's a donation. It doesn't make you a shareholder. .

I don't think anyone thinks donating gives you rights above anyone else who posts here...its a gesture of goodwill.

Just throwing out a perspective based on common sense, dignity, and respect for others versus one of lines drawn in the sand, dogma, and rigid verbatim adherences to contractual terms.

Did I read correctly earlier in the thread that since the n-word wasn't used, we were ok with the other racist blasts? That is the free speech we want to defend here? Scary world of lines drawn up here ("freedom of speech") to defend

[Romeo Delight]

or too much compassion?

yep...waaaay too much of that in the world right now

[kwame k]

For me the issue lies in what seems to be your tunnel vision towards the goal of free speach at the expense of the most common shred of human decency and common sense.

Nailed it!

I'm free to yell, "Fire!", in a crowded movie theater........will there be ramification for my actions? Yes!

Same is true here......by allowing the vile shit that was posted here, the powers that be got exactly what was deserved......a mass exodus!

The point was made about this being the social media era and personal information has taken on a greater role in our society. People have been fired from jobs because of posts on their FB pages! Let alone the people with children who post their kid's photo or link to their own pages!

As a parent, business owner or an employee certain personal information can have greater ramifications......it hasn't happen here or all that much but.....we have had known pedophiles on this site......would you want your daughter's picture or personal information in the hands of someone like that? Even if it is one chance in a million, would you take that chance with your son or daughter?

......and don't use a bullshit argument about Katy's pictures being passed around and no one batted an eye........IIRC, she herself posted some pretty bizarre photos of herself, via PM's and other means!

What it boiled down to for me was the old quote about, "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Socialist.", thing. When you start egging on people who may or may not of been suicidal, teased someone who lost a relative far too soon, attack a person's place of business or disgraced someone's wedding photos.......by not speaking out and by not standing up to that, you were/are part of the problem!

Ah, what the fuck........I'm just an ass kissing Clique Mobster so standing up for what's right and decent couldn't possible be my own personal belief

[WARF's Vagina]

I think Sesh has ran this place just fine. He owns it. It's his. If you want to donate it's a donation. It doesn't make you a shareholder. I think people take this internet forum business too seriously. Laugh it off. Who cares. My hell. If internet posts bother you that much you really don't have a lot of self esteem.

you're an idiot

[WARF's Vagina]

I never said I was reformed. I said I've quit drinking and i've gone out of my way to apologize to everyone including you for acting like a cunt all of last year. Nobody put a gun to my head to force an apology. If i'm completely wrong, please name an example of any wars or fights we've had prior to 2013, all the way back to 2004 or whenever you registered?

I'm not trying to get back into the circle of the Roth Army. I'm still just a Van Halen fan trying to make a contribution here. I'm done pointing fingers and trying my best to avoid internet drama.

go fuck yourself! no one believes you, asswipe!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Ah, what the fuck........I'm just an ass kissing Clique Mobster so standing up for what's right and decent couldn't possible be my own personal belief

correct

[Romeo Delight]

What it boiled down to for me was the old quote about, "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Socialist.", thing. When you start egging on people who may or may not of been suicidal, teased someone who lost a relative far too soon, attack a person's place of business or disgraced someone's wedding photos.......by not speaking out and by not standing up to that, you were/are part of the problem!

Couldn't agree more. What bothered me equally as the vile shite coming from a couple of people was the support of same (from those already mentioned ad naseum) and then backtracking saying they were doing all they could reasonably do to help the situation. All the while making excuses for those coming in with the vileness and justifying those same actions. Unacceptable.

Oh but we have protected free speech for the 10 people who post here, lol.

[kwame k]

Couldn't agree more. What bothered me equally as the vile shite coming from a couple of people was the support of same (from those already mentioned ad naseum) and then backtracking saying they were doing all they could reasonably do to help the situation. All the while making excuses for those coming in with the vileness and justifying those same actions. Unacceptable.

Oh but we have protected free speech for the 10 people who post here, lol.

Yeah........the, "I'm an innocent bystander", bullshit is just that.........bullshit!

It's a pretty lame defense if all you can do to justify the crap that was allowed here is......."we're defending free speech", pretty much a coward's way out!

Like this is the last bastion of freedom and you're on some heroic crusade.....lame!

[Seshmeister]

No you're lame with this reinvention.

Firstly the fighting had been going on for fucking months before I got involved and whatever you people in the middle of it were doing it certainly wasn't working or helping.

Now this is being spun that until I got involved everything was going great, there was never any racism posted here or abuse.

What a heap of bullshit.

Also running away from the site makes you the coward not me. It would have been very very easy for me to ban a few folk and put you all back as mods.

You seem to be forgetting the other side of this. You guys had already driven enough people away that they had gone and set up another fucking whole website. This wasn't just Warf and flappo it was a bunch of people.

[lesfunk]

I'm just waiting for my dilaudid to kick in...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I'm just waiting for my dilaudid to kick in...

dialadude?