Roth Army

[LoungeMachine]

This is where the problem lies IMHO.

I don't in any way accept that I did that.

If I did then I need you to explain how.

I'm honestly shocked at all of this.

Seriously?

wow

[LoungeMachine]

I'm all for that it's just a couple of posters that use it as some sort of a passive aggressive thing at least twice a post and it gets very tiresome.

a couple?

put 'em on ignore.

[Seshmeister]

Not allowing personal info and racism in the first fucking place?

I've never understood the American approach to racism.

I feel deeply uncomfortable about some of the stuff that was posted. I've posted what 20 000 times here and I challenge you to find a racist post I've made.

The rule Sarge had was not no racism it was no use of the word ni**er.

You can't have selective free speech. You have to protect the freedom of people to say offensive things.

That is the true test - protecting the right of people you disagree with.

[Seshmeister]

Seriously?

wow

Yes.

Explain it.

[jhale667]

I'll also go on record saying I wish WARF luck in his recovery, but not buying the rest of the bullshit.

[LoungeMachine]

Yes.

Explain it.

Why?

To what end, exactly?

I could post a link to the thread, but I'd rather not dredge that shit up.

You're never going to think you did anything wrong, and I'm never going to hold you blameless, so what's the point?

I'd rather argue abortion or Elvis' sexual preferences for all the good it would do.



Somehow you've turned this thread into an indictment on your legacy here. Why the fuck you care what WE think now is beyond me.

Both you and Vonnie told everyone at every opportunity how we had it coming. so fuck it.

Here's one thing for sure... you would never have to worry about me having "your keys"

[Seshmeister]

PTA Newsletter?

Not sure who ever wanted that......

You may have not been around during the Black Flag mess.....but it was handled in 2 seconds, and was done with, and sent a clear message that there is a line we don't cross....

Not sure why the need for all of the hand-wringing and second guessing. But whatever. In the past now.



But ANYONE who think Warfy is "reformed" now, is even dumbererer than me.

This wasn't some dodgy weirdo appearing this was a big argument between half a dozen long time posters on both sides.

I didn't take your side which would have been the really really easy option.

I thought about this problem for days and did what I thought was the best option, it kind of worked but not perfectly.

I'm annoyed you have somehow over time projected the whole shitstorm onto me. The good thing is that it's all here on record. What did I do that was inconsistent with the 'rules' I laid out that you approved of and liked?

How did I cause all this terrible personal hardship?

Fuck this scapegoat crap.

[jhale667]

I've never understood the American approach to racism.

I feel deeply uncomfortable about some of the stuff that was posted. I've posted what 20 000 times here and I challenge you to find a racist post I've made.

The rule Sarge had was not no racism it was no use of the word ni**er.

You can't have selective free speech. You have to protect the freedom of people to say offensive things.

That is the true test - protecting the right of people you disagree with.

No one was calling for full censorship. Or calling you a racist. However, SARGE's rule one-rule approach was enough, and worked for years. Not his anymore, we get that. Free speech has consequences though...

No smileys or offense here, but perhaps what you're failing to fully grasp is how it reflects on the site overall. But if that's how you want the place (a place like it or not, dedicated to a jewish rock star) seen, as a haven for the stormfront crowd, have at it. The place has suffered and will suffer for it.

[jhale667]

Why?

To what end, exactly?

I could post a link to the thread, but I'd rather not dredge that shit up.

You're never going to think you did anything wrong, and I'm never going to hold you blameless, so what's the point?

I'd rather argue abortion or Elvis' sexual preferences for all the good it would do.



Somehow you've turned this thread into an indictment on your legacy here. Why the fuck you care what WE think now is beyond me.

Both you and Vonnie told everyone at every opportunity how we had it coming. so fuck it.

Here's one thing for sure... you would never have to worry about me having "your keys"

[Seshmeister]

Why?

Somehow you've turned this thread into an indictment on your legacy here. Why the fuck you care what WE think now is beyond me.

No you did that.

So nothing then?

What can I say, I'm disappointed in you.

You call me a dick I ask why and you can't give a reason?

Oh well the joys of the internet...

[SunisinuS]

(a place like it or not, dedicated to a jewish rock star)

Has everybody here been tested?

I mean, you can be related to Ghengis Jew for all we know. They have the swabs....ooooy veeewww...lets all see if we are jewish rock stars or fans....otherwise...we will not know who deserves the promised lan....I mean life boats on the Titanic......Titanium White. Happy Little Clouds.




I believe, I believe, every day is a happy day when we paint others with a racist, bigoted, fuck you brush. I can almost paint with anything...all you have to do is taint. Fuck you all happily dumb fucks.

Education will never stop you. Fuck that.

[Seshmeister]

No one was calling for full censorship. Or calling you a racist. However, SARGE's rule one-rule approach was enough, and worked for years. Not his anymore, we get that. Free speech has consequences though...

No smileys or offense here, but perhaps what you're failing to fully grasp is how it reflects on the site overall. But if that's how you want the place (a place like it or not, dedicated to a jewish rock star) seen, as a haven for the stormfront crowd, have at it. The place has suffered and will suffer for it.

Back on planet Earth there were a bunch of people in the Dump posting photoshops of Nazi ovens on a Dave Lee Roth site from 2005 onwards.

That was enough to make me even consider still posting here.

You were fine as a moderator to tolerate that to protect free speech though...

[jhale667]

Fuck this scapegoat crap.

Remember, it's not your cross to bear alone - like Lounge said, you and Von both said time and again, we had it coming.



I'll let you two squabble about who gets to be christ and who gets to be, um...y'know, the dude that helped him....

[jhale667]

Back on planet Earth there were a bunch of people in the Dump posting photoshops of Nazi ovens on a Dave Lee Roth site from 2005 onwards.

That was enough to make me even consider still posting here.

You were fine as a moderator to tolerate that to protect free speech though...

Like I ever posted regularly in the dump, nice try. But again, that's not an area any random site visitor would see - unlike the shit that was going on in the open forums - so not really helping your case anyway.

[Seshmeister]

Where?

Where did we say that?

The one good thing about shitty internet forums is that it's not like a pub argument. You have a record of everything I have ever said here.

Link it or stop making shit up.

I'm sorry but without any evidence it does seem that maybe the real elephant in the room is that you guys are upset about not being moderators here any more.

[jhale667]

Still trying that line? Really?

[Seshmeister]

Like I ever posted regularly in the dump, nice try. But again, that's not an area any random site visitor would see - unlike the shit that was going on in the open forums - so not really helping your case anyway.

What does that even mean?

So racism is ok as long as random visitors don't see it?

Why are we so worried about the random visitors?

[jhale667]

Omfg....it's THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM... holy shit that was funny.



As yes, I used that smiley because I literally pounded my desk and nearly fell over laughing when I read that....

[Seshmeister]

Why?

To what end, exactly?

I could post a link to the thread, but I'd rather not dredge that shit up.

You're never going to think you did anything wrong, and I'm never going to hold you blameless, so what's the point?

I'd rather argue abortion or Elvis' sexual preferences for all the good it would do.



Somehow you've turned this thread into an indictment on your legacy here. Why the fuck you care what WE think now is beyond me.

Both you and Vonnie told everyone at every opportunity how we had it coming. so fuck it.

Here's one thing for sure... you would never have to worry about me having "your keys"

Here's my problem with the whole thing.

I'm totally fine if you question what I did and if it was the right thing to do.

I'm ok if you say that Von can come across as having unpalatable views on race whether it's a jokey shtick or not.

What I won't accept is this accusation that I caused or encouraged damage from your war with WARF et al most of which happened before I even got control.

I posted exactly what I was going to do with the site and you and 60 other folk liked it.

I have a completely clean conscience and until someone posts where I did something outwith that then I assume this is just a bunch of whiny bullshit.

This whole thing has been the opposite of self serving - I took it on as Mr most liked and now a few folk seem to hate me and I have to pay for the privilege.

This isn't a 'woe is me' thing I knew this may happen when I took it on but I have to admit I'm a bit surprised at where the flack ended up coming from...

[Seshmeister]

Omfg....it's THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM... holy shit that was funny.



As yes, I used that smiley because I literally pounded my desk and nearly fell over laughing when I read that....

If that were true I think you should seek some medical help.

[Seshmeister]

Remember, it's not your cross to bear alone - like Lounge said, you and Von both said time and again, we had it coming.

It's a forum - where when link?

[jhale667]

If that were true I think you should seek some medical help.

I would, but how embarrassing would it be to go to the doc and when he asks me what happened "I hurt myself laughing"?

It was a nice attempt at spin, though...

[Seshmeister]

We're all still sitting here waiting for a tiny shred of an atom of something to back up your BS...

[LoungeMachine]

I'm sorry but without any evidence it does seem that maybe the real elephant in the room is that you guys are upset about not being moderators here any more.

Right.

That's why I tried to quit modding twice in the last year here, due to not having the time, energy, or interest anymore.



oops, forgot about that?

[LoungeMachine]

We're all still sitting here waiting for a tiny shred of an atom of something to back up your BS...

Who is "we", exactly?

Oh, the internet.....

[LoungeMachine]

This isn't a 'woe is me' thing I knew this may happen when I took it on but I have to admit I'm a bit surprised at where the flack ended up coming from...

Again, the feeling is mutual.



Cheers!

[jhale667]

Here's my problem with the whole thing.

I'm totally fine if you question what I did and if it was the right thing to do.

I'm ok if you say that Von can come across as having unpalatable views on race whether it's a jokey shtick or not.

What I won't accept is this accusation that I caused or encouraged damage from your war with WARF et al most of which happened before I even got control.

I posted exactly what I was going to do with the site and you and 60 other folk liked it.

I have a completely clean conscience and until someone posts where I did something outwith that then I assume this is just a bunch of whiny bullshit.

This whole thing has been the opposite of self serving - I took it on as Mr most liked and now a few folk seem to hate me and I have to pay for the privilege.

This isn't a 'woe is me' thing I knew this may happen when I took it on but I have to admit I'm a bit surprised at where the flack ended up coming from...

Jokey shtick? Pretty pathetic one if so.
As for the last bit - dude, when you're whining about people who weren't even posting in the thread using smileys, that's not flying, sorry. Nor am I going to go on a post hunt for you. And liking the misson statement post doesn't mean it worked out so well in execution. For the record, I never had a problem with you. But you trying to assert that anyone's upset over not being a mod anymore? Beneath you, dude... were you channeling WARF or Flappo there?

[Seshmeister]

Right.

That's why I tried to quit modding twice in the last year here, due to not having the time, energy, or interest anymore.



oops, forgot about that?

I have to admit it wasn't enough of a life changing moment for me to remember.

I'm just trying to work out why the three of you are so annoyed with me and given it's a medium where everything is recorded it's weird you can't demonstrate it. Is it a racist thing because I'm not American?

[jhale667]

Is it a racist thing because I'm not American?

[Seshmeister]

Jokey shtick? Pretty pathetic one if so.
As for the last bit - dude, when you're whining about people who weren't even posting in the thread using smileys, that's not flying, sorry. Nor am I going to go on a post hunt for you. And liking the misson statement post doesn't mean it worked out so well in execution. For the record, I never had a problem with you. But you trying to assert that anyone's upset over not being a mod anymore? Beneath you, dude... were you channeling WARF or Flappo there?

Here's the thing.

I have all of Flappo's personal shit.

I have dozens of pics of him and his family, I know where he lives, his real name - everything but I wouldn't give any of that out because I prefer to live on the high ground.

Flappo spent months posting photoshops of a picture I had put up of me at my worst and he's been taunting me about it for 10 years now.

I will say that Flappo is no Ryan Gosling but none of that is the point and I'm still waiting for you guys to explain what I did wrong.

[jhale667]

...and I'm still waiting for you guys to explain what I did wrong.

Whined about people not posting in the thread using smileys.

[Seshmeister]

Who is "we", exactly?

Oh, the internet.....

Link me to something I did wrong and if it was a mistake I can apologize.

[Seshmeister]

Whined about people not posting in the thread using smileys.

Hey if we are going to just avoid the real issue then yes I think it is a bit dickish to do the fake lmao

[DONNIEP]

I'm still waiting for you guys to explain what I did wrong.

You didn't hit the ban button. I think it's actually three clicks to permaban someone. Or is it four?

[Seshmeister]

Finally a fucking point we can discuss.

[Seshmeister]

I didn't just not ban, I unbanned.

I set them all free and gave them a second chance.

[Seshmeister]

The thing is as far as the RothArmy thing goes, I've always been a bit of a team player.

Before I even took over you were already doing your own thing.

The real irony is that you and a couple of other people have always been desperate to have a site like this whereas I really don't....

[jhale667]

I didn't just not ban, I unbanned.

I set them all free and gave them a second chance.

Not completely true. Except GAR, because you're not completely insane.


Speaking of personal info, HE came up as a Linkedin suggestion... talk about passive aggressive dude's page is a testament to why you shouldn't hire him!

[Seshmeister]

Anyone that wants to own the site probably shouldn't be allowed to.

I'm hoping over the next year or so I can find a way around this because I would prefer just being a poster here.

[vandeleur]

my sober two cents ......
there seemed to be a desire to return the army to its original roots of being edgy. Ive gone through old posts and used to check in here years before this my third incarnation.
The only problem with the the old version of the army was that it was pre social network times .
Once every one started banging away at each other there was so much more painful and personal material to throw at each other than in the days of the wild west... so people behaved like they had in the past but to much more effect.