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    Blueretard is building a guitar

    Hi all!!Been away for a while.Hope all is well..pissed off van halen ain't touring europe yet..lol..Wanted to show you my new project.Maybe I can get some tech feedback while building it.
    Getting hardware this week.Still some shaping to do.
    Gonna put EMG Zakk Wylde pick ups in it.Lock tuners and a shaller bridge with fine tuners.
    Is Aria pro2 bass and Parker fly influence in it.My first axe ever.
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    Looks great! Looking forward to seeing the project evolve!
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    I like the curvature of the headstock in that second pic. Very nice!
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    Thx bros!! Hope to finish it this weekend.

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    You did a nice job on the head stock. It's unique and looks good. Looks like you get to have some fun with a router and templates. All I can say is it's easer to measure a few times and make sure it's right than to put wood back. Good luck on the rest of it!
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    Looks like he hasn't tried a router yet...
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    Well hopefully Bluemustard isn't weeping in a corner with a ruined guitar body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Looks like he hasn't tried a router yet...
    Hi Elvis,

    I used a router on the back.
    I didn't get my pick ups yet.Slight delay UPS.Getting it next week.
    I use mold / template with the router.
    This project might go to hell but just wanted to try.
    My cousin is giving me tips..he made 28 strats.
    Hope to post pics next week.Very scared to use router a lil.

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    Routers are fun. Start slow, don't try to go too deep on the first pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Start slow, don't try to go too deep on the first pass.
    That's what she said.

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    Yes, good advice for many situations!

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    You pretty much have to be on the mark with those body routings and bridge pin holes. If you are off even a little bit the strings won't align with the neck, the innotation will be off and the pickups won't be in alignment with the strings. Also moving a pickup forward or backwards has a huge effect on the tone. So your pickup cavities are dependent on what kind of bridge you are installing and the speaking length of the string. There's a lot to consider. The advantage of routing a body yourself is you can fine tweak your pickup placement opposed to being stuck with what's on a pre-routed body. The devil is in the details.

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    I figured you cut the back hole prior to gluing and clamping the top on...

    I would strongly encourage that you practice routing the exact cut you will do for a pickup on some similar scrap wood...

    It reduces the fear factor and builds confidence...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    You pretty much have to be on the mark with those body routings and bridge pin holes. If you are off even a little bit the strings won't align with the neck, the innotation will be off and the pickups won't be in alignment with the strings. Also moving a pickup forward or backwards has a huge effect on the tone. So your pickup cavities are dependent on what kind of bridge you are installing and the speaking length of the string. There's a lot to consider. The advantage of routing a body yourself is you can fine tweak your pickup placement opposed to being stuck with what's on a pre-routed body. The devil is in the details.
    Yes..this is my fear hahahah


    Gotta do it though..
    When i get my emgs im drillin..and alighn strings bridge n shit..god help me hahaha

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    The real tricky part is bridges. The saddles are in different locations depending on the bridge. So you have to have an average measurement or when you go to adjust the innotation you will be too far forward or backward to adjust it properly. I would adjust the saddles in the middle and then measure the scale length to them. Then you carefully mark the holes that you need to drill to install the bridge. I would put the bridge in and make sure that's all good before routing the pickup holes. It will give you a measuring point on where to put those. Remember the closer you put a pickup to the bridge the more treble and bite you will get in the tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The real tricky part is bridges. The saddles are in different locations depending on the bridge. So you have to have an average measurement or when you go to adjust the innotation you will be too far forward or backward to adjust it properly. I would adjust the saddles in the middle and then measure the scale length to them. Then you carefully mark the holes that you need to drill to install the bridge. I would put the bridge in and make sure that's all good before routing the pickup holes. It will give you a measuring point on where to put those. Remember the closer you put a pickup to the bridge the more treble and bite you will get in the tone.

    Thanks Nitro!! Hope I get everything done before the weekend.

    I also scored some snakewood..anybody know the best way to glue it?Heard theres alot of oil in the wood.















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    That neck's gonna smell like pussy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    That neck's gonna smell like pussy...
    Hope it will be nice and wet pie.

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    The cat is putting it's magical mojo into the guitar parts. I once read where a Japanese sword maker meditated for 30 days under a waterfall before forging a sword. Hmmm. Got a waterfall nearby? You can get into the right frame of spirit and mind before grabbing that router. LOL!

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    DSC_6901.jpgDSC_6912.jpg

    Template was the schecter guitar.(the one elvis recommended and I bought)I took a pencil and traced the contour.After that I rasped and sandpapered my own shape and flow.
    I hope it turns out great.I wanna drill myself..but gotta get 2nd opinion..is 22 fret to bridge 7 inches standard? Or does it vary? LOL
    Some guy at a shop will help me or my cousin but hope to get most done myself.

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    A fixed bridge with fine tuners. Good choice if you are a newbie. One thing you need to make sure of is that your glue is compatible with the wood you are using (I used to work in a cabinet shop many moons ago). In fact, US glue manufactures have had to reformulate their glue because it doesn't bond some of the aisian woods being used in furniture these days.

    So yeah always do research on what glues, stains, and finishes you are going to use. That way you can avoid some nasty surprises. Sometimes the best glue to use is just regular carpenters glue and other times something else is needed. You have the internet. It makes doing these kind of projects a lot easier than when information wasn't so easy to get. I think that's why we fucked things up so much in the old days. LOL! Sometimes the fuckups became new discoveries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemustard View Post
    DSC_6901.jpgDSC_6912.jpg

    Template was the schecter guitar.(the one elvis recommended and I bought)I took a pencil and traced the contour.After that I rasped and sandpapered my own shape and flow.
    I hope it turns out great.I wanna drill myself..but gotta get 2nd opinion..is 22 fret to bridge 7 inches standard? Or does it vary? LOL
    Some guy at a shop will help me or my cousin but hope to get most done myself.
    The whole formula is based on the speaking length of the string (length of the strings from the bridge saddles to the nut). It determines exactly where the frets go on the neck and of course you need to make sure the bridge saddles are in the right position.

    You can't guess on this. It has to all be right on the money or you will end up with a great looking unplayable guitar that will never be in tune.

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    I'm going off of memory here. I went to a bass seminar taught by Jack Casady who was the bass player for Jefferson Airplane and one of the pioneers for fuzzed out big amplified bass sound. He has quite a bit of experience in building bass guitars and the electronics bit of it. We were talking about building bass guitars and I remember him telling me the half point is the 12th fret. So the bridge needs to be the same distance from the 12th fret as the nut is.

    You might measure a guitar you have and see if this is right. If it is then you have a measuring point and a distance to go off of. It should be the same for any guitar regardless of the scale.

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    This might give you some helpful insight...



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    And this from Stewmac is very helpful for electric...



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    The location of the bridge is absolutely critical. If the distance from the nut, down the centerline of the fingerboard, to the center of the bridge saddle slot is not within about 1/32" of where it should be the guitar will not play in tune, and it will take some extreme measures to rework it so it does.
    In other words. You are 1/32 " away from "Oh Fuck!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    In other words. You are 1/32 " away from "Oh Fuck!"
    Yeah, but a bolt on neck gives you some wiggle room...

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    Bridge placement is a bitch. Make it past that point and it's all gravy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    A fixed bridge with fine tuners. Good choice if you are a newbie. One thing you need to make sure of is that your glue is compatible with the wood you are using (I used to work in a cabinet shop many moons ago). In fact, US glue manufactures have had to reformulate their glue because it doesn't bond some of the aisian woods being used in furniture these days.

    So yeah always do research on what glues, stains, and finishes you are going to use. That way you can avoid some nasty surprises. Sometimes the best glue to use is just regular carpenters glue and other times something else is needed. You have the internet. It makes doing these kind of projects a lot easier than when information wasn't so easy to get. I think that's why we fucked things up so much in the old days. LOL! Sometimes the fuckups became new discoveries.

    Thanks..I was thinking of mounting the neck to a piece of wood..then tweak the aettings of the bridge on that piece of wood.
    Measure the distance and when thats done put it on the real body..(is that cool?)

    Here are the specs of the bridge..it says no template needed etc..

    http://guitar-parts.biz/hp193119/Bri...8dd36ee9XY433e

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yeah, but a bolt on neck gives you some wiggle room...
    I put my neck next to a strat..the strat has the same neck..22th fret neck to bridge was around 18,5cm. (12th to bridge 32cm).
    I mounted the neck to piece of wood with bridge..same distance..
    I get nice flageolet on 12th,5 en 7th position.
    Am I good to go drill holes now..do the rest later with the saddles and neck screws?




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    Ok..12th fret till nut 32 cm 12th fret to bridge 32 cm
    Looks good..gettin my nut today..then I'm drillin....fuck it.


    If i fuck up..i'll bring it to a luthier to finish it off..hope to do everything myself.

    Thx for the awsome feedback all!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemustard View Post
    Am I good to go drill holes now..do the rest later with the saddles and neck screws?
    I would find the centerline of the neck and body and drill and install the neck first...

    And center punch your holes !!



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    I would find the centerline of the neck and body and drill and install the neck first...

    And center punch your holes !!



    Thanks alot!! Getting nut and emg's in the mail today.
    I bought silvertape to tape the inside where the electronics are.Is that ok?coppertape better?
    Gonna do some shaping now .Will post tomorrow or tonight.Thx again!

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    Copper is better...

    But there's shielding paint as well...

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    DSC_6917.jpg[ATTACH=CONFIG]11714[/ATTAC

    Ok..got everything..hope to install the electronics..thers a youtube how 2 do.

    for later..Was better..i got a can of nitro cellulose..but is it ok to not spray it at all..maybe just some bees wax or something or is that all about taste?
    Nite all..2morrow big day for me..LOL

    and for the 3 toggle switch (not included) they don't include the wire in Kit..is any wire ok to use for this?..just copper wire?



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    I'd spray it...

    And read this first...



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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemustard View Post
    DSC_6917.jpg[ATTACH=CONFIG]11714[/ATTAC

    Ok..got everything..hope to install the electronics..thers a youtube how 2 do.

    for later..Was better..i got a can of nitro cellulose..but is it ok to not spray it at all..maybe just some bees wax or something or is that all about taste?
    Nite all..2morrow big day for me..LOL

    and for the 3 toggle switch (not included) they don't include the wire in Kit..is any wire ok to use for this?..just copper wire?



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    Sounds like the scale of your guitar is 25.5". Insulated copper wire will work. I like to use either shielded wire or shield the whole control cavity and cover. If you don't have shielding you can pick up interference and get hums and even pick up radio signals through your guitar. I had one guitar I wired half assed and didn't shield and when I hit a certain chord and let it sustain, I would pick up a country western station and it would come through the speaker of the amp. LOL!

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    EMGs don't have that problem...

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    Welcome back Bluemustard!

    Hope you'll build some songs with your self-made guitar and share them here too!

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