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    White House Counterterror Chief: “Confrontational” Children Could be Terrorists

    Paul Joseph Watson


    White House counterterrorism and Homeland Security adviser Lisa Monaco gave a speech this week in which she urged parents to watch their children for signs of “confrontational” behavior which could be an indication of them becoming terrorists.



    During the speech at at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government on Tuesday night, Monaco, who replaced John Brennan last year in overseeing the executive branch’s homeland-security activities, said that parents need to be suspicious of “sudden personality changes in their children at home.”

    “What kinds of behaviors are we talking about?” she asked. “For the most part, they’re not related directly to plotting attacks. They’re more subtle. For instance, parents might see sudden personality changes in their children at home—becoming confrontational.”

    Monaco lamented the fact that, “The government is rarely in a position to observe these early signals,” encouraging parents to act as watchdogs to detect radicalization in line with President Obama’s goal of combating homegrown extremism.

    Over the last decade, the federal government has broadened its definition of what constitutes potential terrorism to such a degree that the term has lost all meaning and is clearly being used as a political tool to demonize adversarial political activism.

    Indeed, only yesterday Senator Harry Reid caused outrage when he labeled supporters of Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy “domestic terrorists”.

    Although such tactics pre-date the 2009 release of the MIAC report, the Missouri Information Analysis Center document was perhaps the most shocking in that it characterized a whole swathe of conservative Americans as domestic extremists, including Ron Paul supporters, people who own gold and people who display political bumper stickers.

    A Homeland Security study leaked in 2012 upped the ante even further, demonizing Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

    Lisa Monaco’s speech and the federal government’s track record in assailing both banal behavior and political activism as potential “terrorism” serves as a reminder that the war on terror has now been focused inwardly against innocent Americans, making it all the more harder to detect actual terrorists.


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    Sad as it is, there are fucking idiots out there who DO teach their children to be terrorists.....





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    And as far as Cliven Bundy goes.... He's a tax cheat, a liar, a fraud, and a Mormon religious kook, but it's probably a stretch to call him a terrorist.

    Though Sean Hannazi is doing his damndest to goad him into being one......



    Some of the white supremacist assholes who are showing up claiming to support this old bastard - like that idiot "sherrif", ARE probably terrorists though.

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    You're full of shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
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    Fox News 'Hero' Cliven Bundy Is a Pampered Millionaire, Not a Rugged Rancher

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    The latest right-wing media poster-victim, Cliven Bundy, is just the latest in a long line of desert dwellers who thinks he or she should not have to follow the law and has a god-given right to unlimited use of public resources, in this case, rangeland. I know the mentality well, because I grew up in rural Nevada and clung desperately to such beliefs until only a few years ago.

    Bundy has not paid grazing fees in close to 20 years, while the federal government has, with painful, stupid moves, tried to somehow deal with him. Bundy also faced restrictions because he continued to graze cattle on a slice of public land reserved for the endangered desert tortoise. He was invited to talk to Sean Hannity (of course) about the “standoff.”

    “We want freedom,” Bundy said. I don’t know what freedom Bundy’s talking about. He does not own the land nor does he even pay the modest fees required to use it. Thousands of ranchers across the West pay fees for their businesses, but Bundy thinks he should get to use public resources to make a personal profit. Cliven Bundy, far from being a patriot, is also clearly a straight-up communist.


    Bundy is using the language of freedom, patriotism and outright paranoia to further his business interests. He succeeded wildly in drawing other “patriots” to his slice of contested desert. I don’t know these exact people, but the words and phrases they used were the nursery rhymes of my childhood. I’ve been listening to ignorant people bitch about the federal “gub’met,” since I could crawl, and I’m weary of it. I can’t bear to hear poor people rally to the defense of moneyed interests like mining and ranching, like well-trained, bleating sheep. As tired and silly as I find his language, clearly it worked. He so inflamed the lunatic militia movement, that many rallied to him, often from out of state, with guns and naked threats. They created a real possibility that someone might get killed, so the feds backed down.

    It is asinine in our age that an armed group of idiots can thwart reasonable government action. Bundy is not a hero, a victim or innocent in any way. Just think of real injustice of America, like people spending life in jail for marijuana charges. It’s hard to imagine the “militia,” a mostly fat, white and ignorant group, showing up to defend a kid in the inner city who was arrested for no reason. Also think what would happen to you, if you opted not to register your car for 20 years. Bundy exploits the most sickening version of white privilege to justify what amounts to theft.

    The basic facts of this story obfuscate the decades of history, animosity and lies between the federal government and the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion that started in the late ’70s. The movement is centered in Elko, Nev., a town next door to Battle Mountain, the much smaller town where I grew up. If you’ve not spent time in the rural desert, you’ll have a hard time understanding the vast spaces in play. Lander County, where Battle Mountain is located, is the geographic size of Vermont but has no more than 5,000 people.

    I grew up on 40 acres of brown sagebrush. Particularly when I was a child, cattle roamed carelessly across our property. They even had right of way on my father’s land unless he fenced the entire lot with four-strands of barbed wire, an expensive and ugly option. This is the freedom for which patriots are fighting: for cows to trump personal property rights.

    In some ways, Nevada has a legitimate beef with the federal government that owns 87 percent of all of Nevada’s land. That’s land that can’t be developed or sold, which cuts into Nevada’s tax base. However, that land is far from empty. People ride horses and recreational vehicles on it. They hunt it and file mining claims, and, yes, when appropriate a vast amount of it is open to grazing. Without “public” land, there would be no ranching of the kind that allows Mr. Bundy to make a living. There would be less “wide open” for which the West is famous.

    We could argue about whether the land should belong to the federal government, but what is not in dispute is that Bundy has no ownership of it. He won’t even pay fees to use it. In short, he refuses to pay rent, like thousands of other ranchers do dutifully every year. Again, I’d like to observe if Bundy is not a communist, he’s at least an aggressive socialist.

    Bundy’s foundational argument is that he “has been using the land for generations.” He claims to have “ancestors” who worked the land since the late 1800s. If Bundy wants to make this argument, he’ll need to chat to a Native American or two from one of the many different tribes in Nevada who were here far before Bundy’s ancestors. Also, I thought America was about building wealth through capitalism, rather than depending on your daddy to pass on his membership into the landed aristocracy. Bundy seems to think himself a member of the neo-nobility.

    What is missed in this nonsense is that the land should not be managed based on feelings or business needs or family connections. In my Nevada experience, history and family too often trump concerns about what’s best for society and the public good. From where I sit, attitudes are changing for the better.

    Bundy, like the sagebrush rebels who came before, has co-opted the language of the oppressed, wrapped in neo-Confederate sensibilities. The crazies have been loosed for good or ill, waving yellow flags and screaming the word “patriot,” none of which has anything to do with subsidizing one man’s business. Even some of my close friends and family are outraged over this latest assault on “freedom.” I’m not far enough removed from this opinion to forget how it feels. You feel powerless and angry. I can hear my former inner voice: We live out here, not them. We should get to decide how to use the desert. It is as understandable as it is ill-informed and misguided.

    I have to concede that certain employees of the federal government can be stupid and ham-handed dealing with people like Bundy. In this case, the feds probably should have removed Bundy’s cattle when he stopped paying grazing fees. The agencies involved also fumbled some parts of the latest tactic, playing into fears of government overreach with “Free Speech Zones” for protesters. So often the feds seem to botch the details, but one must give them credit for backing down in the end. No one, perhaps other than the raging right, wanted actual shooting. Perhaps now, quietly, the federal government can work with Bundy to get him to either pay his grazing fees or remove his cattle without creating a spectacle.

    Bundy has no right to public land. The federal government and other land managers can and should consider the interests of ranchers, just as they should consider mining, recreation and the needs of wildlife, but Bundy is not the only person who has lived in the desert. His should not be even close to the final vote. He can whittle, spit and reminisce, while the rest of us build a modern, cooperative state worth living in.

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    This thread isn't about Bundy...

    It's about regular Americans being labeled as terrorists by the federal mafia...

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    Looking at the kids in nazi uniforms reminds of the Russel Brand clip, where he accepted an award at a GQ special honoring Hugo Boss. He was tossed out after going on about Hugo supposedly designing the uniforms for the SS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6DH0Jhglp4
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    This thread isn't about Bundy...

    It's about regular Americans being labeled as terrorists by the federal mafia...
    But some "regular Americans" ARE terrorists. Including the fucking morons who flocked to Nevada to defend this delusional old man's imaginary "right" to have his cows shit all over public land without paying the fees.

    Some of these assholes would be more than willing to start a new Civil War over something that they completely made up in their own meth-addled minds. How is that NOT terrorism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone888 View Post
    Looking at the kids in nazi uniforms reminds of the Russel Brand clip, where he accepted an award at a GQ special honoring Hugo Boss. He was tossed out after going on about Hugo supposedly designing the uniforms for the SS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6DH0Jhglp4
    No "supposedly" about it. Hugo Boss was himself a member of the Nazi party, and he designed the uniforms for the SA, the SS, the Hitler Youth, and other divisions of the Nazi regime. And his "labor force" at his factories included concentration camp labor (just like Prescott Bush's Silesian Steel) as well as French & Polish prisoners of war. So his loyalty to Der Fuhrer isn't really up for speculation

    Hugo the Nazi died shortly after the war of a bad tooth abscess or something (some of the worst kind of pain imaginable... couldn't happen to a nicer douchebag). Somehow his business was allowed to survive. Much like the BCE, it should have been shut down permanently for collusion with Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    But some "regular Americans" ARE terrorists. Including the fucking morons who flocked to Nevada to defend this delusional old man's imaginary "right" to have his cows shit all over public land without paying the fees.

    Some of these assholes would be more than willing to start a new Civil War over something that they completely made up in their own meth-addled minds. How is that NOT terrorism?

    The image that amazed me was the guy about 100 yards from the "discussion", in full prone sniper position pointed at the federal BLM officers!

    Are you fucking kidding me !?!?!

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    There's your terrorist, ELVIS.

    Probably a Nazi too, since he's from Idaho.

    How is Alex Jones going to explain that one away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    This thread isn't about Bundy...

    It's about regular Americans being labeled as terrorists by the federal mafia...

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    Too bad somebody didn't run over that treasonous fuck's legs, since they're clearly over the yellow line in that photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Bundy is using the language of freedom, patriotism and outright paranoia to further his business interests.
    This is the mindset of Jone$ et. al A sense of entitlement, a carte blanche to ignore the law all due to the use of rhetoric. There is nothing, absolutely nothing "patriotic" or liberty" about Bundy and his band of redneck gun toting Robin Hood white trash fuckwits. Smellvis parades these people as martyrs of the lost cause paranoia.

    As far as I understand this, Bundy had his day in Federal court - twice! He still refused to accept the ruling that if he wanted his cattle to graze on Federal land there were associated fees involved. Now before anyone can deem Bundy as another redneck simpleton he knew of the consequences. Other ranchers were paying their fees, F A T T E N I N G up their cattle for market but Bundy thought he could cheat the Feds you know, for being such a "patriot" and all. He was pulling a con.

    This is like me going into my neighbors apartment and eating their food because I've been living here longer than they have. It's soem sort of "right" I have although not legal or even viable. Now, if they don't fucking shoot me and ask for compensation instead, I'll just cry foul and claim I'm a victim of their (imaginary) oppression for giving just cause to what is rightfully owed. See, it's that simple yet asswipes like Smellvis can't understand that everything in life comes with a price.

    The BLM, U.S. Forest Service or what have you do not maintain America the Beautiful to be America the Beautiful for nothing. Cattle grazing has caused significant ecological damage in the southwest where it is not feasible due to arid soil conditions. Smellvis thinks somehow that land in Nevada will just take care of itself - like how Libertardians think people with outrageous medical bills will miraculously resolve themselves if they join a church and then have that church pay for them.

    Bundy is a cheat and a con. Kind of like what Chuck Berry and Willie Nelson did only he is not as cool. End of fucking story. But to shit-skull-fucked parrot asswipes like Smellvis he is a hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    The image that amazed me was the guy about 100 yards from the "discussion", in full prone sniper position pointed at the federal BLM officers!

    Are you fucking kidding me !?!?!

    I am all for gun ownership.

    But...there is always a but...

    The minute you point it at someone like this you should then revoke every right to ever own one again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WACF View Post
    The minute you point it at someone like this you should then revoke every right to ever own one again...
    Exactly! You only point you weapon on a target to destroy it. Not to intimidate or invoke fear all in the fucking name of "patriotism."


    Fuck these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Exactly! You only point you weapon on a target to destroy it. Not to intimidate or invoke fear all in the fucking name of "patriotism."


    Fuck these people.
    It goes both ways. The BLM should have handled things differently and avoided this whole mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    There's your terrorist, ELVIS.

    Probably a Nazi too, since he's from Idaho.

    How is Alex Jones going to explain that one away?
    I grew up in central Idaho and never saw any nazis. The nazis were up north in Hayden Lake. Not far from Canada. LOL! Maybe they were candian nazis fleeing Dudley Do Right.

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    Next native americans will organize and show up en mass and tell the federal government and the Bundies to take a hike because they have historical claim to the land. Go back to Europe motherfuckers!

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    That's always a possibility.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And as far as Cliven Bundy goes.... He's a tax cheat, a liar, a fraud, and a Mormon religious kook, but it's probably a stretch to call him a terrorist.

    Though Sean Hannazi is doing his damndest to goad him into being one......



    Some of the white supremacist assholes who are showing up claiming to support this old bastard - like that idiot "sherrif", ARE probably terrorists though.
    Bundy is an old school mormon. They view themselves as the "chosen people" and the land in that area as Zion. Heck the mormons even claimed it as part of the State of Deseret. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret.

    The Mormons used to clash with the federal government over polygamy and territorial rights. My mom's family settled in southern California and were doing well there but got called back into Utah by Brigham Young because federal troops were marching into Utah to remove Brigham Young as the territorial governor. It was called the Utah War but there was no fighting beyond destroying the US Army's supply train and making them spend a miserable cold winter in Wyoming.

    Of course nothing has changed. Who motivated the politicians in Washington DC to go after the mormons were the oligarchs. They wanted the minerals in Utah. South Temple Street in Salt Lake City has fabulouse mansions built by the copper and silver barons. They built a separate financial district away from Temple Square in an attempt to reduce the mormon focal point.

    Not that it's a squabble between the mormon church and the BLM. The modern mormon church is basically a holding company and one of the largest owners of real estate in the US. They own the largest cattle operation in the US. They are so connected to the Republican establishment nobody in Washington DC is going to give them any trouble.

    Bundy is on his own. He has his beliefs. Maybe he really believes it or he's using it as an excuse not to pay fees. Apparently he can afford the fees so I'm thinking this guy really does believe they have a spiritual connection to that land and the federal government has over time just become corrupt and is the great satan.

    Of course people with an agenda are going to spin things to fit whatever agenda they want to push forward. You have to look at all the angles and come up with you own conclusions.

    The situation just needs to be settled in a diplomatic way. The BLM was out of line and Bundy was out of line. What's this First Amendment Zone shit? We have to remember this is a country on edge with a bad economy, and the Patriot Act and National Defense Authorization Act don't help matters. Yeah. People are keyed up and paranoid. Look at the gun and ammo sales over the last few years. People fear the government. It's not a good situation. Honestly, government officials with half a brain wouldn't spur the paranoia on.

    Someone needs to provide a safe setting where both parties can sit down and discuss the situation. This gorilla dust bullshit is just going to lead to someone getting hurt or killed and then a whole powder keg goes off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    That's always a possibility.......

    Winchester and Spencer repeaters ruined Custer's day at Little Big Horn. The natives could lay down more firepower than the US Army because all they had were single shots. Custer didn't think he needed cannons. Didn't want to be slowed down by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Sad as it is, there are fucking idiots out there who DO teach their children to be terrorists.....





    Yeah but our government supports the neo-nazis in the Ukraine. Heck it supports the Islamic Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. The people who dress their kids up like that are such a small minority they probably wouldn't even show up on a pie chart when compared to the rest of the US population. The US Government would support them if they were useful in defending the petro dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It goes both ways. The BLM should have handled things differently and avoided this whole mess.
    Yes, like arrest this idiot for unpaid fees. It's not his god damn land. Moron.

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    John Birch Society Promises More Violent Anti-Government Standoffs (via Americans Against The Tea Party)
    The ‘Bundy situation‘ in Nevada has raised the possibility of a chilling new chapter in America. No longer are the domestic terrorists masquerading as militias willing to just talk about revolution–they’re ready to start shooting! The recent…




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    And just remember who founded the JBS. Old Commie Fred KKKoch himself. And you better believe his Sons of Birches completely endorse this bullshit.

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    I am not from the states so am probably not qualified to comment but that picture is so fucked up.
    How is that person not braking some law .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
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    Koch-backed crazies ??

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    Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover

    It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday.


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    More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.

    "It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now."

    Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including her counterparts from Idaho and Montana, during a press conference after the daylong closed-door summit. U.S. Sen. Mike Lee addressed the group over lunch, Ivory said. New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented.

    The summit was in the works before this month’s tense standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management over cattle grazing, Lockhart said.

    "What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem," Lockhart said.

    Fielder, who described herself as "just a person who lives in the woods," said federal land management is hamstrung by bad policies, politicized science and severe federal budget cuts.

    "Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands," Fielder said, who lives in the northwestern Montana town of Thompson Falls.

    "We have to start managing these lands. It’s the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms," Fielder said.

    Idaho Speaker of the House Scott Bedke said Idaho forests and rangeland managed by the state have suffered less damage and watershed degradation from wildfire than have lands managed by federal agencies.

    "It’s time the states in the West come of age," Bedke said. "We’re every bit as capable of managing the lands in our boundaries as the states east of Colorado."

    Ivory said the issue is of interest to urban as well as rural lawmakers, in part because they see oilfields and other resources that could be developed to create jobs and fund education.

    Moreover, the federal government’s debt threatens both its management of vast tracts of the West as well as its ability to come through with payments in lieu of taxes to the states, he said. Utah gets 32 percent of its revenue from the federal government, much of it unrelated to public lands.

    "If we don’t stand up and act, seeing that trajectory of what’s coming … those problems are going to get bigger," Ivory said.

    He was the sponsor two years of ago of legislation, signed by Gov. Gary Herbert, that demands the federal government relinquish title to federal lands in Utah. The lawmakers and governor said they were only asking the federal government to make good on promises made in the 1894 Enabling Act for Utah to become a state.

    The intent was never to take over national parks and wilderness created by an act of Congress Lockhart said. "We are not interested in having control of every acre," she said. "There are lands that are off the table that rightly have been designated by the federal government."

    A study is underway at the University of Utah to analyze how Utah could manage the land now in federal control. That was called for in HB142, passed by the 2013 Utah Legislature.

    None of the other Western states has gone as far as Utah, demanding Congress turn over federal lands. But five have task forces or other analyses underway to get a handle on the costs and benefits, Fielder said.

    "Utah has been way ahead on this," Fielder said.



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    Chris Hayes Clashes with Michele Fiore Over Cliven Bundy...

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