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    Single-Payer System Would Be a Boon to the Economy, Public Citizen Report Says

    April 21, 2014 by Healthcare-NOW!
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    New System Would Boost Economy, Reduce Costs and Eliminate Unfair Burdens on Companies That Provide Health Insurance Benefits

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – A publicly funded, universal health care system would aid businesses by engendering a more dynamic economy, taming costs and freeing businesses that provide health insurance of the costs of administering benefits and subsidizing the nation’s health care, a Public Citizen report released last week concludes.

    “Small businesses have rated the cost of health insurance as their top concern for a quarter century, and large businesses struggle with health care obligations that their international competitors do not have to worry about,” said Taylor Lincoln, research director of Public Citizen’s Congress Watch division and author of the report. “If it weren’t for entrenched partisan alliances, business leaders would have demanded that Congress relieve them of health care burdens long ago.”

    Publicly funded universal health care systems – such as the Canadian “single-payer” system, in which the government pays for all covered services – exist in nearly every developed country in the world. In the United States, universal care systems could be implemented either at the federal or state levels. The Affordable Care Act of 2010 includes language permitting states to apply for waivers that would enable them to institute universal care systems beginning in 2017. Vermont has passed legislation declaring an intention to do just that.

    Public Citizen’s report, “Severing the Tie That Binds,” outlines three ways a universal health care system would benefit businesses.

    First, it would end “job lock” and other economic distortions stemming from our health care financing system that hinder the freedom of individuals to pursue new ventures. Despite common perceptions that the United States is an entrepreneurial bastion, we have among the lowest rates of self-employment and small businesses among industrialized countries, researchers at the Center for Economic and Policy Research reported in 2009.

    The researchers hypothesized that the dismal numbers in the United States were due to the high costs that individuals and small businesses here must pay for health care, which those in countries with universal access to health care do not face. By facilitating more entrepreneurship, a universal health care system here would likely boost economic growth, leaving businesses with a larger pool of potential customers.

    Second, a universal care system would significantly dampen future increases to health care costs – and perhaps reduce costs – even as it greatly increased access to care. Numerous studies have concluded that the United States spends much more on administrative functions, such as billing and interactions with insurance companies, than other wealthy countries. Meanwhile, pharmaceuticals and procedures in the United States cost much more here than elsewhere.

    A universal care system would reduce administrative costs by expanding economies of scale, streamlining processes and cutting insurance companies’ marketing costs and profits from our national health care bill. At the same time, costs for drugs and procedures would be kept in check by increased transparency, as well as increased governmental bargaining power and rate-setting authority.

    Third, although a publicly funded, universal care system would likely rely on significant revenue from businesses (such as through a payroll tax), there is reason to believe that total health care-related costs for businesses now providing benefits would decline, in part because a new system would spread costs more fairly.

    Businesses that provide health care benefits would no longer have to essentially subsidize those that do not by covering the unreimbursed cost for care provided to the uninsured. Businesses also would be spared the costs of administering health care benefit programs. Meanwhile, funding formulas for universal care may reduce the overall share of national health care costs borne by the business sector by garnering revenue from a broader array of sources.

    Elements of the solutions laid out in Public Citizen’s report already exist at the state level or are under consideration. For 35 years, Maryland has set across-the-board rates for hospital care, including care funded by Medicare and Medicaid. This program has saved tens of billions of dollars. In 2014, the scope of Maryland’s program was broadened by establishing overall caps on hospital budgets to counter the economic incentive to provide a greater volume of care. Establishing rate-setting authority and capping overall hospital budgets are hallmarks of the cost-savings mechanisms in universal care systems.

    Vermont in 2011 passed legislation that called for it to create a “universal and unified health system” that would take advantage of provisions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that permit states to apply for waivers to craft their own health care systems beginning in 2017.

    “The states might be flying below the radar, but they have a chance to implement solutions that should have widespread appeal,” said Lisa Gilbert, director of the Congress Watch division of Public Citizen. “If businesses leaders allow common sense to guide them, we think they will join the campaign for universal care.”
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    Well, they think wrong...

    People aren't signing up, especially young people and Hispanics...

    Or Latinos, or whatever the currently accepted non-inflammatory word is...

    Either way, nobody is signing up for Obombacare...


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    This article has nothing to do with Obamacare. They are talking about REAL reform.

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    Some people have a theory that Obamacare was designed to be a total failure to create such a bad situation that people would eventually break down, give in and accept single payer. The thing about any healthcare system is it's only as good as the people who manage it. We now live in a corrupt oligarchy. We have a corrupt government that treats corporations as people. I don't care if it becomes single payer, the corporations will still own it and give the public a big enema of misery.

    What we have is a situation of total state capture. A few oligarchs have rigged the system to where they have bought up the whole government. It took them a few decades but they did it. The role the government (when ran right) always played was to be a regulator of free markets making sure monopolies didn't happen and prices remained fair. That there was rule of law and law breakers got punished. Now the Justice Department protects the criminals.

    So nothing is going to run better until we get control of the government back. How that happens I have no idea. The people who stole it are masters at using the media to divide people and get them fighting each other. As long as the country remains divided they got us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    This article has nothing to do with Obamacare. They are talking about REAL reform.
    When are you ever going to learn that you cannot have a conversation with the chronically unemployed like Smellvis here?
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    That "theory" either came from Obama worshippers who is still convinced that he's a "master chess player", or right wingers who are still convinced that he's a "socialist" despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary on both counts.

    The fact is that the two people who pushed Obamacare the most were Senators Max Baucus and Chris Dodd. Dodd has since become the head lobbyist for the fascist MPAA. You know, those people who think you should be required to pay for those movies you record on your DVR from a basic cable channel? And Baucus now aspires to play the role that Prescott Bush Jr used to play in China.

    Not exactly the type that would advocate single payer in either case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    That "theory" either came from Obama worshippers who is still convinced that he's a "master chess player", or right wingers who are still convinced that he's a "socialist" despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary on both counts.
    Obama, if anything, is a progressive Republican. He kisses the ass of corporate interest more than Bush did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    When are you ever going to learn that you cannot have a conversation with the chronically unemployed like Smellvis here?
    He didn't hear you...

    Maybe you should try a more bitchy approach...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Obama, if anything, is a progressive Republican. He kisses the ass of corporate interest more than Bush did.
    Obama was a slicker salesman. You have to admit. The oligarchs have all bases covered. Obama accomplished one thing Bush couldn't. He managed to take control of the US healthcare system and hand it to big pharma and big insurance on a silver platter. A left-talking Republican can accomplish more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    This article has nothing to do with Obamacare. They are talking about REAL reform.
    The big question is WHO does the reforming? I don't see anyone capable in Washington DC to do the job. I see a bunch of K Street bought crooks.

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    Sanders/Warren 2016!

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    Me too...

    The federal government can't reform shit...

    That's why I've been advocating from the beginning to have the healthcare system and all of it's reform hoopla to be handled strictly at the state level where a realistic budget exists...

    The feds lie, cheat, steal and they're all bought off by big influence who are trying to steal every last bit of this country...

    I don't see why anyone would believe a thing they say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Sanders/Warren 2016!
    FORD/Wakeup 2014!



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    I'm wide awake.
    I'm not sleeping.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Sanders/Warren 2016!
    Um, you do realize she is not running, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Obama was a slicker salesman. You have to admit. The oligarchs have all bases covered. Obama accomplished one thing Bush couldn't. He managed to take control of the US healthcare system and hand it to big pharma and big insurance on a silver platter. A left-talking Republican can accomplish more.
    Like what!? More corruption and greed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Me too...

    The federal government can't reform shit...

    That's why I've been advocating from the beginning to have the healthcare system and all of it's reform hoopla to be handled strictly at the state level where a realistic budget exists...

    The feds lie, cheat, steal and they're all bought off by big influence who are trying to steal every last bit of this country...

    I don't see why anyone would believe a thing they say...
    Some states could do a good job of it and other states will make a hopeless mess of it. The key is not to live in those states. Yup. I hear it all the time from people who have spent most their adult lives working for or dealing with the US Federal Government. They all say the same thing. Washington isn't going to fix anything. The change has to be done at the grass roots level. I just heard one person pushing for banking reform say they have given up completely on the US congress. It's that bad.

    There will be more talk of constitutional conventions, state banks, states rights, and all that. There are also battles on cleaning up the state governments as well. It may boil down to the most important people are yourself and those immediately around you. The Titanic is taking on more water and all they do is rearrange the deck chairs and tell everyone the next movie has started and they better hurry if they want a good seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    He didn't hear you...

    Maybe you should try a more bitchy approach...
    Did all the "minorities" in your neighborhood already take the aluminum cans from all the dumpsters? Go on cry and blame Obama if you must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Like what!? More corruption and greed?
    Yes. It's not about us. It's about them. The Oligarchs. They have been having a blast playing the stupid American public. I mean they keep selling and we keep buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Um, you do realize she is not running, right?
    Well, Hillary was "not running" for President in 2006, but she changed her mind.

    I actually would be fine with her staying in the Senate. We need her there, and about 50 more just like her (50 more like Bernie being the other half). But somebody decent has to take the Executive branch, and they have better name recognition than Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein. And in a media driven environment, that unfortunately matters far more than it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    There will be more talk of constitutional conventions, state banks, states rights, and all that.
    State banks seem like a no-brainer to me. I don't know why it's not seriously under discussion in more states.

    Washington and Colorado would be the most obvious choices for state banks to start, as it would remove the entire question of national corporate banks being reluctant to handle "weed money" because the federal law is still against it.

    I'm not a big fan of the shale oil industry, but the fact that North Dakota HAS the only existing state bank might help them keep a lot of money made from that industry within the local economy, as opposed to it all going to Wall $treet, or worse, a foreign owned corporation (i.e. Shittybank)

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    A state bank has worked well for North Dakota for a century. Most states put their money into private banks and the money leaves the state and then the banks can create ten times the amount of those deposits. With a state bank your money stays in your state and your state can make money on it. It can be used to self-finance state projects. It also gives the state an emergency capability if the national currency loses it's value.

    The state could issue enough greenbacks to keep the state economy going in an emergency. The Federal Reserve just makes the money from nothing. A state bank can do the same trick but it needs to be careful no to issue too many. As long as the state accepts the payment in taxes everyone else should accept the currency. It would be a good emergency card to play in the extreme case of a national currency failure. It would give people something to get paid in and trade for food and some stability until a more permanent solution gets worked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well, Hillary was "not running" for President in 2006, but she changed her mind.

    I actually would be fine with her staying in the Senate. We need her there, and about 50 more just like her (50 more like Bernie being the other half). But somebody decent has to take the Executive branch, and they have better name recognition than Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein. And in a media driven environment, that unfortunately matters far more than it should.
    They also need the support of the money which means you'll only get a choice between candidates that suit the people you don't like.

    The lesser of two evils is still evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    and about 50 more just like her
    This is your brain on drugs...

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    Right, because we really need 50 more David Vitters banging prostitutes on the Senate Floor while wearing diapers on their heads. That would be so much better.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Sanders/Warren 2016!

    Deion Sanders----


    Pierre Warren----
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    Well, it's good to know that Jerksmear isn't completely opposed to the idea of an African American president.

    But I don't believe I have ever heard Deion express an interest in politics.

    Of course I'd never vote for anybody who played for the Dull Ass Cowpies, but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well, it's good to know that Jerksmear isn't completely opposed to the idea of an African American president.
    I am...

    We need an honest American President...

    But I digress...

    Captain America/Superman 2016 couldn't turn this sinking ship around...

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    Superman?

    Nah, that would never happen. It would be a replay of all that "birther" bullshit.

    He was born on Krypton?? Sounds like a COMMUNIST country to me!!!!

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