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    Van Halen Rising Book - Forbes Article

    Van Halen Rising Book Article in Forbes by Ruth Blatt


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ruthblat...-entrepreneur/


    The Early Days Of Van Halen, David Lee Roth's Entrepreneurial Streak And Why Every Creative Team Needs An Entrepreneur



    Entrepreneurial skills aren’t crucial just for starting companies. They are crucial for initiating any creative commercial endeavor. A new biography argues that without the entrepreneurial skills of David Lee Roth, none of us would have heard of Van Halen.

    Histories of Van Halen invariably begin in 1978, when the band released their debut album. Not much is known about the band before then other than that they had gotten their start playing back yard parties and moved up to playing clubs in Los Angeles.

    That is about to change. Greg Renoff, an Associate Professor of History at Drury University and author of The Big Tent: The Traveling Circus in Georgia, 1820-1930, is writing a book about Van Halen’s early days.

    David Lee Roth with Eddie Van Halen (Photo credit: Wikipedia) Renoff explores in depth Van Halen’s reluctant journey from back yard band to superstardom and, in particular, the role of David Lee Roth’s ambition and entrepreneurial skills. Unlike the Van Halen brothers (Alex on drums and Eddie on guitar), Roth came from money. He owned amplification equipment, and he used it to work his way into the band.

    “The Van Halens were always looking to scrounge equipment because they didn’t have a lot of money,” told me Renoff. “One thing that Roth did was use his PA system as leverage. He’d say things like, ‘You guys can use the PA system but how about I sing a song tonight?’” Eddie Van Halen was the band’s singer at the time, and even though he didn’t have a great voice, the band was not impressed by Roth’s vocal abilities either. But they eventually let Roth joined the band, which consisted of Eddie and Alex and bassist Michael Anthony, in 1973.

    Roth’s presence stirred up the band. Whereas the Van Halen brothers were into heavy metal, Roth loved the Beach Boys, Motown and funk. “Those guys wanted to have Roth sing Black Sabbath, but Roth can’t sing Black Sabbath. He wanted to do things like James Brown’s ‘Cold Sweat.’” The outcome of this negotiation was a hard rock band with a pop sensibility.

    Roth also began pushing the rest of the band to think beyond playing back yard concerts. According to Renoff, the Van Halens were content making good money playing shows in the Pasadena area that they would promote themselves for thousands of kids at a time. Roth pushed them to audition at clubs and expand their reach. He also pushed them to start dressing up. He wanted them to become rock stars, and for that they needed to look the part.

    “They were wearing jeans and t-shirts, flannel shirts. It was grunge wear before grunge. They would wear Pendleton shirts and overalls,” said Renoff. “Roth told them they needed to glam it up, to wear stage clothes.”

    Eventually they end up getting a gig playing in a Hollywood club called Gazzarri’s, which became the epicenter of hair-metal in the 1980s. “At the time Gazzarri’s was a dying club. Its moment had passed. It was much more of a 1960s go-go dancer place,” said Renoff. “But the owner, Bill Gazzarri, would advertise on a local radio station and they would say ‘Tonight at Gazzarri’s, Van Halen.’ Their name was on the marquee and it was a start for them.”

    Gazzarri’s was a cover band club, not the kind of place where bands that write original songs get discovered and signed by record labels. Record executives look for bands that have an album’s-worth of original material. But at Gazzarri’s, Van Halen was expected to play disco songs and pop hits.

    Yet Roth was a savvy networker and created opportunities where there were none. He would take advantage of the occasional visit to Gazzarri’s from people like radio DJ Rodney Bingenheimer and Kim Fowley, who managed The Runaways. Roth was a relentless self-promoter and got Van Halen on their radar. “I’m not saying the brothers were completely clueless about business, they weren’t,” said Renoff. “But Roth was the guy who was willing to get out front and promote, promote, promote. Of course they never would have made it without Eddie writing the songs and without their talents. But Roth was the guy who said, ‘Look at me!’”

    Van Halen had original songs, and through Bingenheimer they got a gig playing their songs at the Starwood, a club owned by the infamous Eddie Nash. According to Renoff, the Van Halens were again hesitant about leaving their comfortable Gazzarri’s gig. But Roth convinced them to make the leap to a place where they could showcase their original material and play alongside bands like ZZ Top. It wasn’t long before a deal with Warner Brothers materialized.

    David Lee Roth’s entrepreneurial spirit eventually rubbed off on the Van Halen brothers. In the early 1980s, Eddie Van Halen formed a relationship with Kramer Guitars to make the Eddie Van Halen Guitar and later he created the EVH brand that offers a complete line of guitar, guitar straps, amplifiers, strings and other gear.

    “Eddie’s evolution is really interesting in that he went from a guy who was reticent about promotion, who didn’t want to dress up in stage clothes and who didn’t want to take risks to where now he realizes that you’re a business you have to market yourself,” said Renoff.

    When David Lee Roth left Van Halen in 1985 to pursue a solo career, they replaced him with someone just as entrepreneurial: Sammy Hagar. Hagar founded the Cabo Wabo Tequila brand and restaurant chain, in partnership with the Van Halen brothers, as well as Sammy’s Beach Bar Rum, which he sold to Gruppo Campari for $91 million.

    “By the 1990s, Van Halen had gotten religion about how to run a business,” said Renoff. Having an entrepreneur on their team from the start helped Van Halen turn their musical talent into a successful business.

    Greg Renoff’s book, Van Halen Rising, will be published by ECW Press in 2015.
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    Van Halen Rising Book - Forbes Article

    Shameless self-promotion alert!!


    I made those graphics.


    That's a nice write-up, I'm looking forward to the book.
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    “They were wearing jeans and t-shirts, flannel shirts. It was grunge wear before grunge. They would wear Pendleton shirts and overalls,” said Renoff. “Roth told them they needed to glam it up, to wear stage clothes.”
    So it now appears Dave has come full circle and finally embracing his roots in plaid shirts and overalls...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    So it now appears Dave has come full circle and finally embracing his roots in plaid shirts and overalls...
    And aren't we all glad he did? I think it's a genius move that will power the band through to the next level of awesomeness. I mean, all they need now is a big screen with some dog videos playing in the background. Or maybe a dance floor....
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    Quote Originally Posted by big fatty View Post
    Eddie Van Halen was the band’s singer at the time, and even though he didn’t have a great voice, the band was not impressed by Roth’s vocal abilities either. But they eventually let Roth joined the band, which consisted of Eddie and Alex and bassist Michael Anthony, in 1973.
    I think I'll have to pass on this book, if the author can't even get the most basic facts of the band's history right. Mike Sobolewski was absolutely not in the band before Dave. In fact, the bands first demo was recorded when Mark Stone was still the bass player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I think I'll have to pass on this book, if the author can't even get the most basic facts of the band's history right. Mike Sobolewski was absolutely not in the band before Dave. In fact, the bands first demo was recorded when Mark Stone was still the bass player.
    Yeah, that particular sentence was written by Ruth Blatt, who interviewed the author Greg Renoff and wrote the article.

    I see that now after re-reading it. That is a mistake by her, NOT Greg Renoff. He knows his VH. There is no question in my mind about that.

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    Van Halen Rising. Sounds like an endorsement for Viagra. Erruption will now be named Errection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I think I'll have to pass on this book, if the author can't even get the most basic facts of the band's history right. Mike Sobolewski was absolutely not in the band before Dave. In fact, the bands first demo was recorded when Mark Stone was still the bass player.

    I think you'll reconsider. This is just a poorly written article about an intensely researched book. I'm certain that this will not be just another telling of the "Al was playing my drums while I was out throwing newspapers" tale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    I think you'll reconsider. This is just a poorly written article about an intensely researched book. I'm certain that this will not be just another telling of the "Al was playing my drums while I was out throwing newspapers" tale.
    Will it contain the band's medical records? Oh my gosh! Al caught the clap quite a bit didn't he? Hmmmm. Mike had hemroids a lot. I wonder if Sam was responsible?

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    Maybe the new book will contain dog breeding information as well...

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    I'm surprised (not really, though) at some of the flack this project is getting. More stories about the beginning from people who were there. Sign me up. This bands early history is fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Maybe the new book will contain dog breeding information as well...
    You're such a douche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Maybe the new book will contain dog breeding information as well...
    One can only hope.

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    I'm sure there will be a riveting chapter with anecdotes from Dave's zen master herding trainer with detailed subsections on proper sheep -vs- cattle techniques...

    Just for Donnie they'll include a section on Ed's designer handbag mutts with a complimentary, souvenir edition striped doggie doo bag...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm sure there will be a riveting chapter with anecdotes from Dave's zen master herding trainer with detailed subsections on proper sheep -vs- cattle techniques...

    Just for Donnie they'll include a section on Ed's designer handbag mutts with a complimentary, souvenir edition striped doggie doo bag...
    I wasn't aware the sheep dog training and excessive 'stripe everything!' marketing started back in the days when the band was playing backyard parties. Hmf. Learn something new every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Just for Donnie they'll include a section on Ed's designer handbag mutts with a complimentary, souvenir edition striped doggie doo bag...
    Yes, because I'm not insane enough as it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm sure there will be a riveting chapter with anecdotes from Dave's zen master herding trainer with detailed subsections on proper sheep -vs- cattle techniques...

    Just for Donnie they'll include a section on Ed's designer handbag mutts with a complimentary, souvenir edition striped doggie doo bag...
    He really should just stripe-up the little pooch.
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    From the VH Rising FB page:

    This video captures a key moment in ‪#‎VanHalen‬ history. About a month prior, Van Halen had come back from New York City without a record contract, despite the support of KISS bassist Gene Simmons.

    But here in mid-December is Roth on KROQ with one of the band's key (and unsung) supporters, DJ and scenester Rodney Bingenheimer, "The Mayor of the Sunset Strip," playing the demo version of "Runnin' With the Devil."

    In a related note, I'm happy to report that last week I interviewed the gentleman who engineered this demo at Electric Lady Studios under the direction of Gene Simmons. Turns out no one had ever asked this engineer about his work with Van Halen. He'll have his say in Van Halen Rising.
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    I think that this book will actually be something special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Yes, because I'm not insane enough as it is...
    None of us are, Bro...

    But we have good, steady progress and are on track to reach our full potential!!

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    I hear Pet'sMart is going to carry EVH Gear dog sweaters, custom doo doo bags, and dog totes.

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    Ahhh, good ol' Roth Army where everyone is hellbent on derailing.

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    This thread had some pretty thin rails to begin with...

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    I hope it covers their most creative period from 85 to 06 !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 78/84 guy View Post
    I hope it covers their most creative period from 85 to 06 !!
    I know it's en vogue right now but why do you want the in depth details on the period where Van Halen experimented with homosexuality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I know it's en vogue right now but why do you want the in depth details on the period where Van Halen experimented with homosexuality?
    That was no experimentation - Ed went full on gay for Sam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    That was no experimentation - Ed went full on gay for Sam.
    Now he's moved on to beastiality. Ed cuddles and caresses that dog in a creepy way. You know something we probably are best not knowing is going on. I don't know what it is about them Hollywood hills but people go off the deep end when they spend too much time in that freaky deek vortex.

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    It funny when I look at old photos of VH in the 80's with Dave, I mean you can hear the music come off the paper ! Then see stuff from the Hag era and think what the hell happened ??!! The only one that looked the same on the stage was Mike, Ed's playing suffered big time even if he thought it was good.........I don't get it. Oh yea I do. Dave was gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    I'm surprised (not really, though) at some of the flack this project is getting. More stories about the beginning from people who were there. Sign me up. This bands early history is fascinating.
    yeah I think that Forbes article with some incorrect info (by the Forbes writer, Ruth) is throwing people a bit. I'm pretty sure the book author (Greg) knows just about as much about VH history as anyone...and he's interviewed some great people for the book (MA, Ted, Donn, etc).

    Plus I think the period the book focuses on (1974-1978) will actually be pretty interesting. Getting more info on those early years while the band was trying to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatArtGuy View Post
    I think that this book will actually be something special.
    Me too, I'm looking forward to buying the book.
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    I'm looking forward to pics of Dave and Edwad's early dogs...

    Not much has been released on the subject...

    Open the Dog Vault !!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I'm looking forward to pics of Dave and Edwad's early dogs...

    Not much has been released on the subject...

    Open the Dog Vault !!!


    Don't worry, I'm sure Dave will cover that in the next Roth Show episode...for 97 minutes straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Don't worry, I'm sure Dave will cover that in the next Roth Show episode...for 97 minutes straight.
    I want to hear colorful stories from the road. I hear Van Halen's former stage manager and Michael Anthony's bass tech Kevin Dugan is going to come out with a book. It's going to be based on his life on the road as a tech, roadie, and manager. He worked for VH and you know he's got some good stories to tell. He did say as far as drugs went, Fleetwood Mac made Van Halen look like a bunch of kids. LOL!

    Dave prides himself on being a story teller. Well when he's on he's on but I think the Roth Show lacks for the same reason his radio show lacked. Dave going on and on about things nobody cares about. I'm expecting a Roth Show on orchid gardening next. Heaven forbid Dave gets into growing bonzai trees next. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz,

    He just seems like a bored old dude with too much money and time on his hands.
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