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    The scandal of fiddled global warming data

    When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data.

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    A scene from 'The Day After Tomorrow': in reality, officially approved scientists fudge the data

    There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

    When I first began examining the global-warming scare, I found nothing more puzzling than the way officially approved scientists kept on being shown to have finagled their data, as in that ludicrous “hockey stick” graph, pretending to prove that the world had suddenly become much hotter than at any time in 1,000 years. Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.


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    The Copenhagen summit fell apart because evidence of climate data fudging came out. I mean rating bonds is scientific. Some of the most trusted names in the ratings industry got caught fudging data for the big corporations and banks. Anyone can be bribed and/or threatened. Academics are not immune.

    There seems to be a trend of using mass media to convince the masses something is true that really isn't. This trend started when only a few companies now own the mass media. In short. People and institutions we should trust are proving themselves to be untrustworthy. If anything, the western world suffers from chronic corruption right now. Everything seems to be a scam these days. The trust is gone and only a fool blindly trusts anymore.
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    That's why I call Sesh a disinformation minister...

    It's almost like he's paid to post the crap he claims to be "proven scientific data."

    But I think it's the Vodka and whatever medication he may take...

    Oh well...

    I get a good laugh, but it's sad...

    Everything is a lie...

    For instance, show me one time where Baruck Obomba tells the truth on any subject...any subject ??

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    No takers, eh ??

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    Gee...

    I Seshticle missed this article...

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    I don't have time we've done this one before and you lost.
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    It's amazing how delusional you are...

    I must have been mistaken when I thought you might have some integrity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I don't have time we've done this one before and you lost.
    Can you link me to/tell me where it is? I'd like to read that discussion.

    I'm always interested in the back & forths of you & Elvis. They're highly entertaining.

    Cheers!
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    No, he wont...

    First of all, he's lying...

    He hasn't shown proof or debunked anything...

    So, his game now is to ignore it and hopefully it drops off of the page...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    No, he wont...

    First of all, he's lying...

    He hasn't shown proof or debunked anything...

    So, his game now is to ignore it and hopefully it drops off of the page...
    Well, that sucks.

    I realize that for most people, this is just an "I'm right & you're not" game, just like everything else, really.

    Noone really cares about global warming or climate change. They just want the satisfaction of being right.

    I hope Sesh is different. I respect the guy's opinion, even if I like to get his goat. Alot.

    You know, alot of people who take the "Earth Defender" stance are probably hoping disaster strikes, just so they can rub it in our faces that they were right. They probably have wet dreams of us crawling in front of them to beg their forgiveness.

    Well, if the shit hits the fan, I'll just ask "Hey, you guys were the majority. How come you've done nothing to avoid this? Oh, that's right, you were too busy trying to be right on the internet to actually DO something."

    Yep, THAT is my wet dream.

    Cheers!

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    We had this thread just a few weeks ago, I posted an impartial documentary which explained where and how the climate scientists fucked up back in the 70s/80s leading to climate change denial. It then showed how much more evidence we have now.

    ELVIS just ignored it all saying it was made up lies and couldn't or wouldn't engage with any of the points.

    It's completely pointless debating with him on this.

    Now he starts yet another thread and calls me a liar? Pushing his luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    We have this thread every single motherfucking day and it is pointless and I will ban the next person who posts anything about global warming!
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    There, that's better...
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    The irony is I don't give much of a shit about the issue anyway, it's boring and I live somewhere that it won't affect hugely.

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    I didn't ignore anything...

    It's not pointless...

    Make a logical argument...

    You just throw out data that's incorrect, say it's not open for debate, and say there's an overwhelming consensus that agree, and therefore it's somehow settled...

    Saying that the science of something like the atmosphere, with all of it's variables, is settled, is both unsceintific and arrogant...

    It's also dishonest...

    Science constantly disproves itself as knowledge increases...

    Man doesn't know everything abut the planet and God constantly proves him wrong...

    You're following the intellectually dishonest line of bullshit on the subject of Global Warming™...err...Climate Change®... Seshticle...



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    So lizards ,flooding and climate change ,I get it there is a thread here . E is this what icky was getting at ?

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    Is it a very long documentary? I don't care enough to sit through a whole hour or more of these shenanigans.

    I'd care, if that'd make a difference, but even recycling is just a business where big corporations pick & choose what's profitable or not.

    If someone's got a plan to wipe out the big corpos, I'm listening. Then we can work our way down on major issues. Until then. it's as pointless as trying to tell people about the moon landing hoax. We can talk 'til we're blue in the face, will it really, truly matter? The world won't change a bit.

    Other than for entertainment, I don't see why people get so worked up over this stuff. Then again, people get insanely worked up about a football match, so... mass hysteria isn't really a reliable way to attribute importance to stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Science constantly disproves itself as knowledge increases...
    This bit is actually very true. And will remain so for a long, long time to come.

    Cheers!

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    I never watched it ,every time I watch something E posts a little girl comes out my tv and tries to kill me

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    I never watched it ,every time I watch something E posts a little girl comes out my tv and tries to kill me
    I think it was Sesh what posted it this time.

    Try to keep up, you silly person.

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    Yo keep up with ya keeping up !!

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    Now laugh at my joke and calm ya tits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapus Sylicker View Post
    Is it a very long documentary? I don't care enough to sit through a whole hour or more of these shenanigans.
    It's 3 one hour episodes - it's a complicated subject. It's quite easy to watch though.

    If you want a condensed version of the kind of thing it goes through start at 20 minutes in on the second episode.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    If you want a condensed version of the kind of thing it goes through start at 20 minutes in on the second episode.
    Alright, I'll give it a whirl tomorrow. Who know, might be interesting. Wouldn't be the first time I got caught up in something I thought I'd have no interest in.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapus Sylicker View Post
    I don't see why people get so worked up over this stuff.
    Cheers!
    Because there is an agenda behind it that effects all of us and it has to be stopped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapus Sylicker View Post
    Alright, I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

    Cheers!
    Yeah, pay close attention too...

    I watched it...

    But if you think Sesh will debate you after you watch the video of his choice, you're incorrect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Because there is an agenda behind it that effects all of us and it has to be stopped...
    And what possible agenda could the Gay Socialist Jewish Space Lizards possibly have in making the fucking planet inhabitable?


    Geezus.... do you fucking even look at how stupid this shit is before you post it?
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    No, you just don't understand...

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    CO2 is essential for all life on Earth...

    It's the food that nourishes all vegetation...

    The Earth has had many periods of high levels of CO2 and many cycles of warming and cooling...

    We all should know this...it's a natural part of the life of the planet...

    No computer models showing global warming have been accurate...None, look it up...

    And there's no clear evidence to blame man on climate change...

    Also, the science is geared and funded towards proving a theory, which goes against the true scientific method of trying to disprove a theory...

    It all plays on people being ignorant or not paying attention...

    Hence Seshticle's prefatory "It's a complicated subject."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post
    And what possible agenda could the Gay Socialist Jewish Space Lizards possibly have in making the fucking planet inhabitable?
    They're the bloodline of the ruling class of the world...you tell me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    CO2 is essential for all life on Earth...

    It's the food that nourishes all vegetation...
    Astonishingly childish almost preschool level argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    They're the bloodline of the ruling class of the world...you tell me...

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    While it is true that plants "breathe" carbon dioxide, it is also true that they need sunlight in order to fuel the photosynthesis process that keeps them alive and trading CO2 for Oxygen. It also doesn't help matters when you mortals are obliterating the really BIG plants i.e. old growth forests, because the fucking dandelions on your front lawn ain't gonna do the job.

    You want to know what happens when you get carbon dioxide, but no sunlight? Go to Venus. Hitch a ride with the Gay Socialist Jewish Alien Lizard Demons. You aren't going to see any plants there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    Your body needs iron ,wouldn't wanna be shot
    It's fucking ludicrous isn't it?

    I think the demons argument is more convincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imapus Sylicker View Post
    Wouldn't be the first time I got caught up in something I thought I'd have no interest in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Astonishingly childish almost preschool level argument.
    See, that's being smug...

    You're a snob like the rest of the Pisseds Morgans of the world...

    You don't want to discuss the atmosphere...

    Now sit there and admire yourself for how dumb you think I am...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    See, that's being smug...

    You're a snob like the rest of the Pisseds Morgans of the world...

    You don't want to discuss the atmosphere...

    Now sit there and admire yourself for how dumb you think I am...


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