Did Kristy get high yesterday? 'cause I'm sensing some after high hostility here... I think she needs to switch to a different weed. Maybe a half ounce of Happy Days mixed with some Walkin' On Sunshine.
Did Kristy get high yesterday? 'cause I'm sensing some after high hostility here... I think she needs to switch to a different weed. Maybe a half ounce of Happy Days mixed with some Walkin' On Sunshine.
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That's not even a argument. For today I farted and added methane gas to the ozone. What's your fucking point!? No one is putting "life on hold" here. Where did I say that? What I am saying (and listen closely) is corporate greed outstripping human dignity. The only "tragedy" NASCAR cares about is losing money whenever a driver dies.Originally Posted by ZahZoo
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It's Skittle time, Donnie.
For fuck's sake.
DONNIEP (08-15-2014)
Well thank God. For a minute I thought you'd been smoking that Helter Skelter weed again...
Appears it could be Whirled Peas™ brand weed... With the brain blender kicker added!!
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What's not 'conjecture' is the dozen or so racers that saw and avoided the kid before Stewart didn't...
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mh5150 (08-15-2014)
All the talk about how those cars are impossible to steer at low speeds, yeah what the fuck ever. The other guys weren't having any problem steering.
Ok sure, but not every driver had another driver right in front of them as Tony did...that driver in front was oh so close to hitting the kid as well until he too had to make an evasive maneuver.
The time left for Tony to have a view without obstruction ( if that is possible in those vehicles when trying to avoid a darting figure dressed in black in the dark) was limited to that time when the car in front dropped down...
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Again...that proves nothing. He had a car right in front of him until the last second...second and a half...that had no effect on his ability to see? Again, no one really knows, but these facts are all too conveniently being ignored for such an easy target as Tony
There is that little detail that the other drivers didn't have someone trying to grab their vehicle at 40 mph and get in front of them...kind of makes it easier to avoid hitting him when that isn't happenning. The odds were stacked against Tony and chances of hitting the driver substantially higher based on those facts, no?
Should he have stopped under caution? I wonder if that is the only way he could have avoided some type of contact. He was going to hit Tony's car or at least get within inches of it to make his point no matter what Tony did. Can we agree on that point?
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He's an easy target because he made himself one. He's a hot head. I don't think anyone believes he was trying to hurt the kid but giving him a little scare for challenging him is something most Nascar fans who aren't big fans of Tony Stewart would believe based on his previous actions.
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I think he was just trying to make sure he saw him and knew he was pissed.
There's no concrete evidence to prove he's guilty or innocent unless there a video of Tony's car as it entered that corner that shows he intentionally drove towards the kid. I think he intentionally moved his car towards the kid to scare him and accidently hit him based on his previous actions.
Last edited by cadaverdog; 08-16-2014 at 12:35 AM.
Did he? Just watched it again...just gruesome. His hand was extended...what was he going to do with that hand? How close was he intending? One foot? Two inches? Make contact with the car and Tony? I am certain Tony revved it to kick the rear wheel away from him which he accomplished and not make a point...it extends farther than any other part of the car and so he knew to avoid hitting him with that rear tire that was what needed to happen.
It also kind of appears from that view that he got in front of Tony's car. At some point the deceased has got to take a large share of the blame for what happened. Sorry but it is the truth. Putting yourself in front of a race car is asinine and we are piling on Tony because he was unable to avoid him.
He jumped further and further into the fray of oncoming moving racecars.
ZahZoo (08-16-2014)
He dropped down because he had a clear view of what was unfolding it looks like - saw he shoudl get low to avoid the kid...we need another angle to be certain
I agree but you commented on that post before I finished it. I'm stoned and I hit post by accident. Another angle that shows Tony's car before he hit the kid might make it clearer as to any fault he has in it.
Since we can't see what line Tony was taking as he entered the corner we can't see how close the kid was trying to get. If Tony's car was taking a line closer to the inside of the track and the kid stepped a little closer that doesn't prove he intended to grab the car or smack Tony upside the head. I already said the kid should have stayed behind his car and thrown his helmut or a dirt clod at him quite a few posts ago so I don't think the kid is totally blameless in this either.
Look, I'm not a Tony Stewart fan. But even I don't wanna see his life destroyed because of some freak accident.
We can all sit here all day long and talk about how you can't steer a sprint car at low speeds. Well guess what? You sure as shit can steer a sprint car at low speeds. And all this talk of how the rear tires overdrive the fronts and how you can't steer it without throttle is bullshit. We're talking 35 miles an hour here - not 60 or 70 or more. You don't need down force to steer a hopped up go kart at 35 miles an hour. And if the other cars could turn left at 35 miles an hour, how come Tony's car couldn't? Lemme guess, in every sprint car race, every time they have a caution, the cars all just become undriveable and slam into each other?? How do they finish a race? I mean, they gotta slow down at some point and drive off the track, right? What, they just all let off the gas and pile into the fence or into each other and the crews spend an hour pulling them all apart? Every single fucking time? How in the hell do they steer the cars to line back up after a caution?
I don't for a minute think Tony set out to hurt or kill this kid. I think the kid was too goddamn far down on the track. And I think Tony either did not see him or decided to send a little message. And I'm talking about a sling some dirt or make him jump back message - not kill the damn kid. But all this talk of how you can't steer one of those cars unless you're hauling ass is bullshit.
I say get on with life. Get on with it! You know a pretty good percentage of that 80,000 were assholes. Makes me kind of warm and fuzzy knowing they are no longer with us making people miserable.
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Latest word is he will be holding a presser soon announcing his retirement from racing. Says he can't get back in a car.
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I think he saw him. I also think he gassed his car and pitched it towards him to send him a message. I wonder if anyone caught anything over the radio that might shed a light on this. If someone told Stewart the kid was out of his car waiting for him the whole he didn't see him story goes out the window. They have radios in most of the late models at the local track here and they're a few steps down from these cars.
ashstralia (08-16-2014)
I believe you are correct c dog. The kid is an idiot for getting on the track though, tough luck. He fucked up big time.
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Here's one of ours from a few years ago....please compare!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZWMBY180A
Come on... watch the video again. The kid spins out... most the field drives by his car which is NOT in the racing groove... while he's unbuckling himself and climbing out of his car.
When he runs down the track into the racing groove... he encounters only two cars... the first car swerved to avoid him... then there was Stewart's car directly behind the 1st car.
The rest of the field was NOT in the area the kid was struck.
Go watch the video I posted several posts back from FoxSports with Erin Evernham... In Sprint Car racing the drivers only have a 1-Way receiver and the only thing they receive on the radio is from Race Control indicating cautions, position line-ups, etc. There are NO spotters, NO Crew transmissions and no way for the drivers/crews to communicate with anyone.
There's nothing in any of the racing media this morning even hinting at this. They're on track in Michigan right now (8:00am CDT) in the first of 2 practice sessions for Sprint Cup. I'd say what you heard is bullshit...
Love to hear he has been arrested and charged.
I just assumed he (or she) made that up. Possibly an attempt at humor. Nothing wrong with a little humor once in awhile.
At the local track, Willow Springs Speedway, they only have radios that can communicate from crew to driver and vice versa. Fans with scanners sometimes hear drivers plotting or threatening revenge on other drivers but I can't recall anyone wanting or trying to do more than inflict a little body damage to the car. One time a guy got out and tried to attack another driver in his car but one of the fire marshalls clothes lined the guy before he could get the guys side screen down. He's lucky someone interviened because the driver he attacked was twice his size.
The car that passed before Tony was on a higher line but not as high as the line Tony took. There's a full two seconds after that car clears the kid and Tony's reachs him. I don't think any of the videos that have been posted so far are conclusive but I still think he gassed it coming around the corner because he saw the kid there and accidently ran him over.
Why the fuck would I waste my time to come here to make shit up?
Here's the link:
http://empirenews.net/nascar-tony-st...ZgKwo.facebook
I looked for that story last night after you posted that but found nothing. My post was merely a reply to another post that questioned your sources. It does seem odd Rusty Wallace or Darrel Waltrip would make statements like that to the legitimate press if Tony told them he was making an announcement soon himself.
Tony Stewart is apparently a hot head that is just a racing fact.
Ward was one too and acted like a stupid 20 year old because he was a stupid 20 year old.
Ward and Stewart actually knew each other and Stewart had written him friendly notes and attended charity events to support that area.
Ward was wrong but a driver marching at another on the track is not entirely unexpected and Stewart has done the same.
Flinging mud on a rookie idiot is also not unexpected.
The fact that an investigator said Ward was pulled under the BACK tire when he grabbed the SIDE of Stewart's car is beyond expectation.
Stewart should have been more mature and should have realized they swing out at low speed on mud would be greater but Ward bears the majority of responsibility in a combo of hot heads, bad tradition, bed decisions and just a horrible accident. The notion Stewart ran him down is only known by him but would require knowing Ward would grab his car plus if running him down the hit would be in the front tire, it wasn't. Is it possible Stewart was mad wanted to swing his back wheel to get him yeah but only he knows and a really unlikely set of events. The investigator commented in the article Life and Times of Ward Jr., apparently there are 3 angles they have.
Just a sensless horrible accident from a series of wrong headed decisions.
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Nickdfresh (08-17-2014)
Without a doubt. I'd like to see these three angles because so far none of the ones I've seen were conclusive one way or the other. I've seen one a fan must have taken because you can hear his commentary as he films it. I'd assume there's at least one done proffessionally considering a big Nascar and Indy car driver like Tony Stewart was there. Plus he admitted he caused an accident at the same track last year that caused a female driver serious injuries. You'd think a quite few people would be filming him race thinking he might do it again.
Clearly you didn't make shit up...
I have to doubt the story you provided a link to though. ESPN opened their race coverage today with the Stewart story. Rusty Wallace made no mention of having spoken to Stewart and I believe if he had he would have at minimum mentioned it.
Outside of a few executives in Stewart Haas Racing... I don't think anyone active in the sport has talked to Tony since the incident occurred. Several drivers have mentioned reaching out to Tony but he hasn't responded back...
Senseless yes, accident, no. From what I can gather about NASCAR it is definitely a "sport" of rageaholics upon which Stewart is a poster boy. This or something close to it was only a matter of time.
Apparently Ward had thc in his system when he stepped out on the track..No charges will be filed..
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And the civil suit just evaporated because of the dope...
Tony will probably offer to settle with the parents anyway. The kid had THC in his system but that doesn't mean he was actually high when he hit the track.
Pretty obvious the story was bogus now.
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