Gene Simmons: 'Rock Is Finally Dead'

[sadaist]

From Gene Simmons to Mike Malloy in 1 thread flat. Ahhhh feels good to be back!

[Kristy]

Why is Mallory so angry? Is it because he's white?

And what's with the beard? Some sort of Kenny Rodgers identity crisis?

[cadaverdog]

You're the one that doesn't have a clue. Anti-semitic means hatred of Jews, not the state of Israel...and it IS apartheid. Their "pass system" was borrowed from South Africa...which was borrowed from Canada.

If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.
Anti-Semitism (also spelled antisemitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.[1][2] A person who holds such positions is called an "anti-Semite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, anti-Semitism is generally considered a form of racism.
You accussed Israel of practicing apartheid. You're discriminating against jews as a nation. You don't live there. Who are you to judge them? A racist canuck. Why don't you petition your government to replace the maple leaf with the swastika as your national symbol, Eva Braun?

[David Wolf]

Yeah, Mick Jagger observed something along these very same lines about a couple of years ago or so.

It's not just the record biz, either. It's the entire entertainment industry. Everything is wildly over-"market tested" in this country. The artists are simply not allowed to get into a position to be in control anymore like they once were. These days, going indie is pretty much the only way to go.

[Satan]

If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.

Dragonshit.....

Sem·ite
noun \ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt\

: a member of a group of people originally of southwestern Asia that includes Jews and Arabs

a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

So the Palestinians are actually Semites without question. Whether or not white Russians like NuttyYahoo are is open to debate.

[DLR Bridge]

These days, going indie is pretty much the only way to go.

Or selling out. I remember Sting conceded that the use of his music for Jaguar commercials was an intentional attempt to be 'heard'. Gotta do what'cha gotta do.

[David Wolf]

Or selling out. I remember Sting conceded that the use of his music for Jaguar commercials was an intentional attempt to be 'heard'. Gotta do what'cha gotta do.

I'm glad you pointed that out; I almost added the words "or selling out" at the end of my post, but figured I had already said enough.

Quite a few acts seem to do such things and get extra money on the sly, but very cautiously; remember the number of artists here in the West who would normally never do a television commercial advertising something with their music (including Dave) doing so overseas in Japan?

[DONNIEP]

Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that. How many musicians really want to be poor as shit and never get their music heard? Ok, there's that wino that hangs out at the post office playing harmonica, but other than him - None.

[DLR Bridge]

Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that.

Naahh. That's just a line to make everyone seem as shameless and guilty as him. I'd been on stage and played for money. That money went into stamps and flyers for the next show. Millions of bands have played there asses off to reach for success, this much is true, but not all musicians strive to be like Yogurt from Spaceballs the way Gene did.

[DONNIEP]

If you got paid then you sold out. And I hope you sold out every show

[David Wolf]

Naahh. That's just a line to make everyone seem as shameless and guilty as him. I'd been on stage and played for money. That money went into stamps and flyers for the next show. Millions of bands have played there asses off to reach for success, this much is true, but not all musicians strive to be like Yogurt from Spaceballs the way Gene did.

That reminds me of something a friend once told me at work. I like Kiss okay, but still laughed when he remarked, "Kiss didn't want to be a rock band; they wanted to be Pepsi."

[Nickdfresh]

Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?

[Angel]

If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.
Anti-Semitism (also spelled antisemitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.[1][2] A person who holds such positions is called an "anti-Semite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, anti-Semitism is generally considered a form of racism.
You accussed Israel of practicing apartheid. You're discriminating against jews as a nation. You don't live there. Who are you to judge them? A racist canuck. Why don't you petition your government to replace the maple leaf with the swastika as your national symbol, Eva Braun?

You're an uneducated idiot, and show me where I said I hated Israel. You want to tell these holocaust survivors that they're anti-semitic while you're at it? My issue with Israel is the apartheid practices and the cultural genocide they are participants in. They learned from the best, after all...

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28916761

[DONNIEP]

Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?

Hello new avatar...

[David Wolf]

Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?

Rotfl, YICK, that's gonna give me nightmares tonight! Lol!

[Carloscda]

Bottom line with everything digital now buying records are not the way they use to be. No matter what genera no one's making money like they use to.

[cadaverdog]

You're an uneducated idiot, and show me where I said I hated Israel.

I'm an uneducated idiot for cutting and pasting the definition of anti-semitic?

I hate Israel

Right there.

[Angel]

I'm an uneducated idiot for cutting and pasting the definition of anti-semitic?

Right there.

Your right there link takes me to a Golden Awe post in the sheep pen. You're an idiot. Period.

[cadaverdog]

Your right there link takes me to a Golden Awe post in the sheep pen. You're an idiot. Period.

Because I don't agree with your politics? Whatever Eva.

[Angel]

And how about you cite your reputable source, and no, Wiki doesn't suffice. Let's go with Oxford:

Hostility to or prejudice against Jews. I dislike the religion just as much as all the others, but i respect an individuals rights to their own beliefs. I'm probably the most non-racist person you could ever meet...


Idiot.

[David Wolf]

Bottom line with everything digital now buying records are not the way they use to be. No matter what genera no one's making money like they use to.

Yeah, it's unfortunately true that digital saves them all cash and is convenient for purchase. There's something far more special about official digital copies, though, particularly if you enjoy the art. While it's true that iTunes gives you the option to printout the booklet/liner notes, for instance, that just doesn't feel the same to me personally as having the genuine item.

[Angel]

And now, back on topic. The marketing and distribution has changed, but there's a lot of good music out there if you look for it...

[cadaverdog]

And how about you cite your reputable source, and no, Wiki doesn't suffice. Let's go with Oxford:

Hostility to or prejudice against Jews. I dislike the religion just as much as all the others. I'm probably the most non-racist person you could ever meet...


Idiot.

Lets go with kiss my ass Angel. Obviously the right there post was a fucking joke. As I already told you I don't give a fuck if everybody in the middle east kills each other. They're all heathens.

[Angel]

Because I don't agree with your politics? Whatever Eva.

??? You're too fucking stupid to even waste my time with...

[Mushroom]

I know some of you don't give two fucks about Slipknot, but Corey Taylor does make a good point about those fucking CD cases.

Yet again I fail to see any redeeming quality in slipnot. This manchild acts like a 7 year old with ADHD. And to boot, sounds like he has no technique for opening sealed jewel cases. I have 30 years experience and no problem.

[Satan]

http://www.israel21c.org/news/holy-s...-world-record/

[cadaverdog]

??? You're too fucking stupid to even waste my time with...

You started it dumbass. Why do you give a fuck if I call Ford an anti-semite? Sounds like you need a nose job.

[cadaverdog]

http://www.israel21c.org/news/holy-s...-world-record/

I think you're the one with the sock fetish pal. Must be a liberal thing.

[Nitro Express]

And now, back on topic. The marketing and distribution has changed, but there's a lot of good music out there if you look for it...

There's probably more local talent than people realize. To be a big star you need the marketing and distribution machine. The record labels provided that.

[cadaverdog]

There's probably more local talent than people realize. To be a big star you need the marketing and distribution machine. The record labels provided that.

I think one of the main reasons that rock and roll appears to be dying has more to do with the fact young people have alot more to entertain themselves nowdays than listening to or playing music.

[ashstralia]

I think one of the main reasons that rock and roll appears to be dying has more to do with the fact young people have alot more to entertain themselves nowdays than listening to or playing music.

You would be correct there, CDawg. I have a vested interest in the music industry, I remember having a convo with one of Australia's largest instrument importer at a music trade show about how to get kids wanting to play in rock bands again.


In 1997.

[ashstralia]

Ironically, a lot of bands here (young hipsters and 'heritage' alike) still press their music onto hq vinyl. There are still a few Aussie companies providing the service, and people are buying it.

A local young band I know just produced a limited run of a single, sold em all before they were pressed.

[BITEYOASS]

Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?

Time for me to bring up another Sam Kinison routine at the 3:40 mark:

[DLR Bridge]

If you got paid then you sold out. And I hope you sold out every show

"I never sold out... I bought in."

Name that movie

[DLR Bridge]

Yeah, it's unfortunately true that digital saves them all cash and is convenient for purchase. There's something far more special about official digital copies, though, particularly if you enjoy the art. While it's true that iTunes gives you the option to printout the booklet/liner notes, for instance, that just doesn't feel the same to me personally as having the genuine item.

I now feel just how my Dad probably felt when albums went the way of the tape, then CD. I love the CD format for purchase and I miss 'the hunt' at new and used CD stores. Getting them on line just ain't the same, but better than nothing. I just hate where technology is going with official product. You have to have full trust in your computer and your own computing skills (of which I have next to none) to manage your collection. Yuck! I want my shit stacked on a shelf where I can sees it, dang it! I'll take an IPod over a discman any day, but beyond that, gimme a stereo with a CD player.

[David Wolf]

I now feel just how my Dad probably felt when albums went the way of the tape, then CD. I love the CD format for purchase and I miss 'the hunt' at new and used CD stores. Getting them on line just ain't the same, but better than nothing. I just hate where technology is going with official product. You have to have full trust in your computer and your own computing skills (of which I have next to none) to manage your collection. Yuck! I want my shit stacked on a shelf where I can sees it, dang it! I'll take an IPod over a discman any day, but beyond that, gimme a stereo with a CD player.

EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. I couldn't have put it better myself!

[Nitro Express]

Rock is only dead from a business perspective, musically it still exists. Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead. So now everyone is back to the old routine of looking for great bands your damn self as opposed to relying on big name media outlets to do the looking for them. And frankly that's the way it should be. Last thing I want is some big-wig asshat telling me what's the next big thing in rock n' roll.

I think a better way to put it is the big rockstar is dead. What were all those kids on the Sunset Strip trying to get in the 1980's? A record deal. That was the dream. Gone are the days when bands could put out albums and sell millions of them and whoever in the band had the publishing rights made even more. Now money has to be earned the hard way. On the road.

That doesn't mean an artist can't go out on the road themselves and make some good money. They won't have a record company taking it's cut but they also won't have the marketing and promotion that provided. There won't be the big stage show. Things will be slimmed down. But maybe all that got a bit silly anyways. Who knows.

[binnie]

Rock is only dead from a business perspective, musically it still exists. Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead. So now everyone is back to the old routine of looking for great bands your damn self as opposed to relying on big name media outlets to do the looking for them. And frankly that's the way it should be. Last thing I want is some big-wig asshat telling me what's the next big thing in rock n' roll.

This is true.

It seems that if you want to make money as a 'pop star' now, you have to have your own perfume and a range of endorsements. Record sales bring in shit.

[binnie]

Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?

That's Elvis

[Kristy]

Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that. How many musicians really want to be poor as shit and never get their music heard? Ok, there's that wino that hangs out at the post office playing harmonica, but other than him - None.

Oh your poor, poor Walmart degenerative consumer. You have no clue. "Selling Out" is when the corporate label you just signed to takes 98% of your revenue and also owns your merchandising and music publishing rights. "Selling Out" is when a metrosexual in leather pants comes backstage to one of your gigs and says touring is expensive but if your place these corporate banners (usually beer) they will help to pay for some of the expense(s). "Selling Out" is playing for mega-corporate sponsored shill events like 'Burning Man' and 'Coachella' and then going on Letterman. "Selling Out" is suffering for your art by taking it up the ass by greedy execs in suits, only back in the F A T Jew's day there were far more opportunities.