Scottish Independence. Good or Bad?

[Seshmeister]

If Scotland goes independent they just need to have a low corporate tax rate and lure multinational corporations to headquarter there and pay their taxes there. Then they can legalize gambling and become an offshore tax haven.

Gambling is legal already but yeah they could open that up a bit as at the moment you can't drink at a gaming table or tip dealers which takes away about 90% of the fun out of it for me so I only go to casinos when I'm in Vegas.

[Seshmeister]

If it was the Irish instead of the Scots I'd suggest a drinking contest.

Last time I looked Scotland has the second highest alcohol consumption in Europe.

#1 is Finland, did you ever notice that we have a disproportionately high number of posters from those 2 small countries...?

[Seshmeister]

Lots of people spontaneously taking to the streets again tonight.






Things are starting to get pretty interesting here, vote still swinging towards independence but I still think there are a bunch of quiet old conservative voters that will stop it happening. I read that the communist party still get a huge vote in East Germany, a lot of older people hate change...

[Guitar Shark]

So I take it you're in favor, Sesh?

The issue has the front page at CNN, for whatever that's worth.

[Seshmeister]

So I take it you're in favor, Sesh?

The issue has the front page at CNN, for whatever that's worth.

I have some reservations but yeah fuck it I'm voting Yes tomorrow.

Nationalists only account for 25-30% of the vote if that, this has turned into a big vote against the status quo.

The Scottish parliament was pretty much designed so that this couldn't happen by making it almost impossible for a single party(the nationalist party) to get 50% of the seats so they could call a vote. This is all Tony Blair's fault. People got so pissed off with him with Iraq and his party moving to the right that the more left leaning SNP picked up a lot of their vote. Even then Scotland voted for his party but the conservatives got in across the UK. A particularly offensive version of the conservatives combined with huge public service cuts to fund the banks bailout and this has turned into a perfect storm.

[ToraToraTora]

I'm voting YES. Be good to fuck up our country by ourselves and not by the Etonian Mafia in that little Cuntry who think they rule the fuckin world still. Vote Yes if possible but just fucking VOTE if your eligible this is too important not to bother your arse..

And more important, vote yes just to see Cameron get the boot, and Boris Fuckin Johnson running whats left of the UK...Hilarious.

[ToraToraTora]

And if anyone is interested, this was a 60% to 40% landslide for No about 6 months ago. Now it's too close to call, could be won with 50.5% of the vote. Tomorrow will tell. All depends on who gets their voters to actually vote. And at least non voters aren't getting counted as a No vote as has happened before.(another Tory brainwave)

[Nickdfresh]

Why in the fuck would anybody eat that shit? I could understand it if you were starving to death, but in America??

Yes, the ingredients sound a bit ripe, but you HAVE eaten sausage, haven't you?

[Seshmeister]

Being pedantic but the rule about the non voters was actually an amendment brought in by a Labour MP not a Tory.

During the passage of the Scotland Act 1978 through Parliament, an amendment introduced by Labour MP George Cunningham added a requirement that the approval at the referendum be by 40% of Scotland's total registered electorate, rather than by a majority

That was only a vote for a parliament anyway which to be fair Labour delivered 20 years later.

The turnout could actually be high enough tomorrow to pass that crazy hurdle anyhow. In 1978 only 33% of people turned out to vote, today could be over 80%.

[Seshmeister]

Yes, the ingredients sound a bit ripe, but you HAVE eaten sausage, haven't you?

This is the ridiculous thing I'm the exact opposite.

I am incredibly wary of sausages and burgers which have to be the most expensive purest going but occasionally eat haggis which is by definition offal.

To be honest like wearing kilts it's not something the majority of people do more than once a year - if that.

[cadaverdog]

In 1978 only 33% of people turned out to vote, today could be over 80%.

I hope we have that kind of enthusiam when the legalization of marijuana bill goes up for a vote here in 2016. I don't think we'll have a shortage problem when it does. People are already preparing to make sure we don't.

[FORD]

I hope we have that kind of enthusiam when the legalization of marijuana bill goes up for a vote here in 2016. I don't think we'll have a shortage problem when it does. People are already preparing to make sure we don't.

Oregon is voting on it this year. Turn the entire west coast "green"!

And I seriously hope both states will take a look at the way things were done in Colorado and the way they were done in Washington and know which one is the better model.

California has a rather large infrastructure of medical dispensaries in place already, right? So if they roll those all over to retail stores (as they did in Colorado) it could be a huge success. Rather than the clusterfuck it has been up here so far.

[vandeleur]

See ya twats nobody is mentioning we are gonna be free of the shackles of blah blah blah it's all fuck the conservatives . This isnt about nationalism it's a vote against the way the uk Government has conducted it's business in the last 20 years .
In some ways this is about Iraq/bank bail outs/mp expenses .. God this list could be endless .
I take this all personally , i still have to put up with this this shit

I did see an interesting development over the last couple of days , the right wing press has now got the idea that every immigrant in Europe is coming over the Scottish border , won't be long before we get Hadrian wall 2.0

[Seshmeister]

See ya twats nobody is mentioning we are gonna be free of the shackles of blah blah blah it's all fuck the conservatives . This isnt about nationalism it's a vote against the way the uk Government has conducted it's business in the last 20 years .
In some ways this is about Iraq/bank bail outs/mp expenses .. God this list could be endless .
I take this all personally , i still have to put up with this this shit

I did see an interesting development over the last couple of days , the right wing press has now got the idea that every immigrant in Europe is coming over the Scottish border , won't be long before we get Hadrian wall 2.0

As I said the other day, you nailed it.

This isn't a Braveheart thing, that would only get 20-25% tops.

Say Newcastle already had a parliament and a separate legal and education system and you were offered the option never to be run by London Tories again. Oh and BTW there is a bunch of gold in the Gateshead hills, you would be tempted wouldn't you?

Shitting on the north of England which I think this will do is one of my reservations about this. Hopefully it could then lead to more devolved/federal government for the other parts of England outside the South East.

All that said, if I had to put a bet I still don't think it's going to happen. The internet demographic is not the same as the real world yet.

[Hardrock69]

I voted Yes.