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    If Scotland goes independent they just need to have a low corporate tax rate and lure multinational corporations to headquarter there and pay their taxes there. Then they can legalize gambling and become an offshore tax haven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    I posted this thread because I knew there were Scottish and English members here and I was mostly interested in their opinions on the subject but I realize it could affect other countries too. My main concern as an American is the nuclear sub base and the subs we have other there because I heard the people pushing for Independance there want to get rid of them. Then again you can't trust anything you hear on the news and such nowdays.
    I'm guessing the currency they use is supposedly backed up by gold there like it's supposed to be here. If all the gold backing the pound is in Great Britain, England or whatever you call it would they give some to Scotland or would they just forfeit their share?
    I think the only currency backed partially by gold is the Swiss Franc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    I think your right it shouldn't come down to individuals but it's the way these things pan out .
    My problem with him is I do find him slimey and yes the others you mention are pretty horrible .
    Surely the easiest way to come across well would have been the "at least am not them " approach .
    Am not really sure if all his plans hold water but surely it didn't need to get to that , he just need to point at them . The best thing for the yes vote must have been Cameron and milliband dragging their circus up there .
    Most people just wanted more devolution of power but staying in the UK.

    Cameron refused to put that on the ballot keeping it as purely Yes or No thinking No would win easily.

    It's a bit of a perfect storm that the Labour leader is a muppet as well at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    My main concern as an American is the nuclear sub base and the subs we have other there because I heard the people pushing for Independance there want to get rid of them.
    There are no nuclear weapon carrying US subs based outwith the USA. The confusion may be that we buy the missiles from the US which is big business, billions of dollars.

    The UK's nuclear missile submarines are based 25 miles away from the biggest city in Scotland, we tend to think that it is unthinkable that they would have done that in England. An independent Scotland would get refuse to host them but it would take many years for England to find a new location and build a base and cost billions.

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    I have not read up on all the details. I tend to believe if the population in a given area votes one way, then let them go for it.

    I can only assume those who are in charge of this whole affair have already studied all the ramifications in extreme detail.

    I can only assume they would not even bother with it unless there were real benefits.

    I mean, I always thought Scotland should be it's own country. I always felt Ireland should be it's own island. Fuck all that religious crap.

    People rant about all the "Muslim" terrists or "Middle Eastern" terrists or "Shining Path".....they never mention the IRA.....

    Once again, religion is causing the destruction of the world.
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    Ok so is this post acceptable?

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    One thing Scotland can do is simply to NOT follow the failed policies of other nations.

    They have had plenty of experience on the home front as to run their particular neck of the woods.....or not.

    I think Scotland should be it's own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    There are no nuclear weapon carrying US subs based outwith the USA. The confusion may be that we buy the missiles from the US which is big business, billions of dollars.
    I can't refute that statement but I've heard similar statements before that I couldn't refute if you catch my drift.
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    Believe me if someone puts 200 nuclear warheads beside your home you tend to pay attention to these things.

    They are UK weapons.

    US nuclear submarines occasionally visit but not the ones carrying missiles due to security they only ever stop at one of the two US SSBN bases.

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    Just saw Cameron on his knees begging the Scottish people "OH GOD PLEASE NO!!!!"


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    I believe they should leave Scotland to the Scots.

    But only if it benefits EVERYONE.

    Which it won't.

    So what the fuck.

    I have not bothered to research the fine print on this issue.

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    That's an insanely high bar to set, it's almost impossible to think of anything that benefits everyone.

    Sunlight maybe?

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    Speaking of setting the bar too high, self-governance seems a bit ambitious for a country where it is considered acceptable for men to wear skirts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Just saw Cameron on his knees begging the Scottish people "OH GOD PLEASE NO!!!!"

    That's pretty funny. Well if Scotland goes what's to say it won't stir up some juice in Northern Ireland and Wales will want to bolt as well. England will be flying the St. George cross again because the rest of the union jack ran off. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    That's an insanely high bar to set, it's almost impossible to think of anything that benefits everyone.

    Sunlight maybe?
    Goths and vampires would disagree......
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    Keep the nuclear sub base if the "YES" vote wins. You can charge the UK up the ass in rent. You will have them over a barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Believe me if someone puts 200 nuclear warheads beside your home you tend to pay attention to these things.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Loch
    I know it's Wiki but I doubt they made this up. They're were US nuclear subs in Scotland but they supposedly closed that base in 1992. That's probably the sub base I was refering too. I probably misheard when they were talking about a U K nuke sub base in Scotland and thought they said U S. I had heard about a sub base in Scotland from submariners I met in the Navy but that was before 92 but I didn't want to mention that if it wasn't public knowledge. Obviously it is so I can.
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    WWWWS. What would William Wallace say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Keep the nuclear sub base if the "YES" vote wins. You can charge the UK up the ass in rent. You will have them over a barrel.
    Yeah, unless Cameron goes all "Putin" and thinks he can take it back, like Pootie did with Crimea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan View Post
    Yeah, unless Cameron goes all "Putin" and thinks he can take it back, like Pootie did with Crimea.
    Yeah but Crimea was once actually part of Russia before and had a large ethnic Russian population. Also Moscow wasn't about to lose their naval base to Kiev. If I was in Putin's shoes I would have done the exact same thing. Russia would have continued to lease their base if there was a government left in Kiev they could have done business with.

    There is a central banking war going on. The countries being targeted by the west are ones who don't have a Bank of International Settlements sponsored central bank. Libya had their own bank. Russia has their own bank. Syria has their own bank. Iran has their own bank. They want every nation in the world to be under the BIS system of banks and then run up debt and then take real assets to settle the debt. You have to control most the politicians but look at the US and Europe. Most the politicians are owned by the banks.

    This is what the move against Libya was all about. This is why any excuse is made to have regime change in Syria. It's why the Ukraine business is about with an end goal of having regime change in Moscow. It's the banking because if you control the banking you control the country. NATO is no longer about protecting Europe and North America from a Soviet attack. It's about taking over countries, putting a BIS bank in and looting the country. The Ukraine is being looted. Not that it was being looted before but now it's the IMF and it's corporate cronies doing the looting.

    Like I said, and independent Scotland is a joke unless they have their own independent state bank. The European bank and Bank of England are BIS banks. Thinking you are going to escape debt by going independent without your own currency just shows you don't know how the system really works. The IMF will be happy to give independent Scotland a loan. They will end up owning the oil and whatever else is of value.
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    True. All of it. Whereas two old men sit in Central Park playing checkers day after day, all the alphabet agencies play checkers using leaders of various countries, or leaders of the rebels (soon to be leader of those countries).

    It is all a self-defeating game. I wonder when the endgame will occur, and whether or not it will be man-made or natural? One random meteor or asteroid would be all that was necessary to destroy the planet.
    Will be devastating either way, but I guess I would rather have the natural, non-radioactive alternative.
    All we as individuals can hope for is to make it to our designated bucket kick-off point, and do so without too much damage along the way.

    Some of our friends checked out early, unfortunately. Hope if there is an afterlife they are doing well.
    As much as I dig technology, the dark side of that is that I hate living in a world where the world could be destroyed by man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    Speaking of setting the bar too high, self-governance seems a bit ambitious for a country where it is considered acceptable for men to wear skirts.
    The US has done quite well and most of you eat with your hands and are highly superstitious...

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    The real question is, would this thread be here, and would anyone really give a fuck about that shithole, if Sesh weren't from there?
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    Git 'er done!!!

    Hehe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    The real question is, would this thread be here, and would anyone really give a fuck about that shithole, if Sesh weren't from there?
    I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    Speaking of setting the bar too high, self-governance seems a bit ambitious for a country where it is considered acceptable for men to wear skirts.
    Freeballin' nutswing.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    The real question is, would this thread be here, and would anyone really give a fuck about that shithole, if Sesh weren't from there?
    I never brought it up, I know that to you any time a black man has an argument with a white guy or kids in pantaloons throw a ball to each other is infinitely more fascinating than the breakup of the country that invented yours in the first place...

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    I think Cameron should go dig up the bones of James I and cram the skull up his own ass sideways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I never brought it up, I know that to you any time a black man has an argument with a white guy or kids in pantaloons throw a ball to each other is infinitely more fascinating than the breakup of the country that invented yours in the first place...
    I brought it up because I was curious how people from the UK felt about it.

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    Glenn BecKKK says Scots are trying to bring on global destabilization!

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    What the fuck does that degenerate asshole know about Scotland?

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    About as much as he knows about anything else - pretty much nothing.

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    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Typical thinking from a Mike Malloy fan. Fucker never said The Scots are trying to bring on global destabilization. He said the Russians are behind it because they want global destabilization. Why don't you change your user name to Goebbels? Your custom title here should say minister of public enlightenment and propaganda.
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    I think they should paint themselves blue and bare-knuckle fight for their independence! Referendums are for pussies!
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    I think they should paint themselves blue and bare-knuckle fight for their independence!
    If it was the Irish instead of the Scots I'd suggest a drinking contest.

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    I brought it up because I was curious how people from the UK felt about it.
    Hey it's a very valid thread, I was just jousting with Von.

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    This clip only makes sense if you assume those guys sitting there with clipboards and concerned expressions are psychiatrists brought in to study him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Hey it's a very valid thread, I was just jousting with Von.
    I was pretty sure you guys were just talking shit to each other I was just claifying why I started this thread. I assumed most Scots resented being part of the UK and it kind of surprised me when I heard some on TV saying it was a bad idea. Everything I know about Scotland and their relationship with England (Britain, whatever) that I didn't learn from watching Braveheart I learned yesterday.

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