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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    If it was the Irish instead of the Scots I'd suggest a drinking contest.
    If you were Irish, you'd know that's pretty much redundant!
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    I wish I could buy real Haggis, FFS! I'd eat that shit on Sunday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I wish I could buy real Haggis, FFS! I'd eat that shit on Sunday!
    Why in the fuck would anybody eat that shit? I could understand it if you were starving to death, but in America??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Why in the fuck would anybody eat that shit? I could understand it if you were starving to death, but in America??
    I don't know. We eat sheep's testicles around here. We call them rocky mountain oysters.
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    Bulls or buffalo balls here...prairie oysters.
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    Beats Icelandic food. When I was a kid my parents would drag us to American Fork, Utah for the Icelandic festival. Oh yeah, goats head and head cheese. Everything was pickled and nasty. Now I can see why the vikings went bezerk. If you had to eat that shit you would go bezerk too.

    There was some Norwegian smorgesbord restaurant my dad would take us to in Salt Lake City. That was good but the Icelandic crap. Nooooooooo!
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    About the worst thing I ever ate was this nasty tasting vegetable that looked a big yellow pickle chip in Japan. I was eating at a restaraunt where they have plastic food on plates in the window and you point to what you want if you don't speak Japanese. I stuck the whole damn thing in my mouth assuming it tasted like it looked but it didn't. It was vile and putrid tasting. I knew I'd hork if I spit it out so I washed it down with water real quick. The only good thing about it was I didn't make it obvious it was totally disgusting and got to see another guy try one. He even asked me if it was good before hand . I told him it was real good.
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    Check out 'Scarfolk Council'.

    They just put up a new freaking hilarious poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    If Scotland goes independent they just need to have a low corporate tax rate and lure multinational corporations to headquarter there and pay their taxes there. Then they can legalize gambling and become an offshore tax haven.
    Gambling is legal already but yeah they could open that up a bit as at the moment you can't drink at a gaming table or tip dealers which takes away about 90% of the fun out of it for me so I only go to casinos when I'm in Vegas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    If it was the Irish instead of the Scots I'd suggest a drinking contest.
    Last time I looked Scotland has the second highest alcohol consumption in Europe.

    #1 is Finland, did you ever notice that we have a disproportionately high number of posters from those 2 small countries...?

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    Lots of people spontaneously taking to the streets again tonight.






    Things are starting to get pretty interesting here, vote still swinging towards independence but I still think there are a bunch of quiet old conservative voters that will stop it happening. I read that the communist party still get a huge vote in East Germany, a lot of older people hate change...

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    So I take it you're in favor, Sesh?

    The issue has the front page at CNN, for whatever that's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    So I take it you're in favor, Sesh?

    The issue has the front page at CNN, for whatever that's worth.
    I have some reservations but yeah fuck it I'm voting Yes tomorrow.

    Nationalists only account for 25-30% of the vote if that, this has turned into a big vote against the status quo.

    The Scottish parliament was pretty much designed so that this couldn't happen by making it almost impossible for a single party(the nationalist party) to get 50% of the seats so they could call a vote. This is all Tony Blair's fault. People got so pissed off with him with Iraq and his party moving to the right that the more left leaning SNP picked up a lot of their vote. Even then Scotland voted for his party but the conservatives got in across the UK. A particularly offensive version of the conservatives combined with huge public service cuts to fund the banks bailout and this has turned into a perfect storm.

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    I'm voting YES. Be good to fuck up our country by ourselves and not by the Etonian Mafia in that little Cuntry who think they rule the fuckin world still. Vote Yes if possible but just fucking VOTE if your eligible this is too important not to bother your arse..

    And more important, vote yes just to see Cameron get the boot, and Boris Fuckin Johnson running whats left of the UK...Hilarious.
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    And if anyone is interested, this was a 60% to 40% landslide for No about 6 months ago. Now it's too close to call, could be won with 50.5% of the vote. Tomorrow will tell. All depends on who gets their voters to actually vote. And at least non voters aren't getting counted as a No vote as has happened before.(another Tory brainwave)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Why in the fuck would anybody eat that shit? I could understand it if you were starving to death, but in America??
    Yes, the ingredients sound a bit ripe, but you HAVE eaten sausage, haven't you?

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    Being pedantic but the rule about the non voters was actually an amendment brought in by a Labour MP not a Tory.

    During the passage of the Scotland Act 1978 through Parliament, an amendment introduced by Labour MP George Cunningham added a requirement that the approval at the referendum be by 40% of Scotland's total registered electorate, rather than by a majority
    That was only a vote for a parliament anyway which to be fair Labour delivered 20 years later.

    The turnout could actually be high enough tomorrow to pass that crazy hurdle anyhow. In 1978 only 33% of people turned out to vote, today could be over 80%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yes, the ingredients sound a bit ripe, but you HAVE eaten sausage, haven't you?
    This is the ridiculous thing I'm the exact opposite.

    I am incredibly wary of sausages and burgers which have to be the most expensive purest going but occasionally eat haggis which is by definition offal.

    To be honest like wearing kilts it's not something the majority of people do more than once a year - if that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    In 1978 only 33% of people turned out to vote, today could be over 80%.
    I hope we have that kind of enthusiam when the legalization of marijuana bill goes up for a vote here in 2016. I don't think we'll have a shortage problem when it does. People are already preparing to make sure we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    I hope we have that kind of enthusiam when the legalization of marijuana bill goes up for a vote here in 2016. I don't think we'll have a shortage problem when it does. People are already preparing to make sure we don't.
    Oregon is voting on it this year. Turn the entire west coast "green"!

    And I seriously hope both states will take a look at the way things were done in Colorado and the way they were done in Washington and know which one is the better model.

    California has a rather large infrastructure of medical dispensaries in place already, right? So if they roll those all over to retail stores (as they did in Colorado) it could be a huge success. Rather than the clusterfuck it has been up here so far.

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    See ya twats nobody is mentioning we are gonna be free of the shackles of blah blah blah it's all fuck the conservatives . This isnt about nationalism it's a vote against the way the uk Government has conducted it's business in the last 20 years .
    In some ways this is about Iraq/bank bail outs/mp expenses .. God this list could be endless .
    I take this all personally , i still have to put up with this this shit

    I did see an interesting development over the last couple of days , the right wing press has now got the idea that every immigrant in Europe is coming over the Scottish border , won't be long before we get Hadrian wall 2.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    See ya twats nobody is mentioning we are gonna be free of the shackles of blah blah blah it's all fuck the conservatives . This isnt about nationalism it's a vote against the way the uk Government has conducted it's business in the last 20 years .
    In some ways this is about Iraq/bank bail outs/mp expenses .. God this list could be endless .
    I take this all personally , i still have to put up with this this shit

    I did see an interesting development over the last couple of days , the right wing press has now got the idea that every immigrant in Europe is coming over the Scottish border , won't be long before we get Hadrian wall 2.0
    As I said the other day, you nailed it.

    This isn't a Braveheart thing, that would only get 20-25% tops.

    Say Newcastle already had a parliament and a separate legal and education system and you were offered the option never to be run by London Tories again. Oh and BTW there is a bunch of gold in the Gateshead hills, you would be tempted wouldn't you?

    Shitting on the north of England which I think this will do is one of my reservations about this. Hopefully it could then lead to more devolved/federal government for the other parts of England outside the South East.

    All that said, if I had to put a bet I still don't think it's going to happen. The internet demographic is not the same as the real world yet.

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    I voted Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    California has a rather large infrastructure of medical dispensaries in place already, right?(
    There's one on every block just about. They had shut a bunch of them down but they're all back up now. I'm making sure I got plenty when the time comes. I had to harvest one of the two plants I have left the other day and it produced a shitload of seeds. The bud's a little premature but it get's the job done. Here's a peek at the one that didn't die. The one that did was twice this size. I had another tall one but I yanked it because it was a male. I boiled the stems and made some tea but I threw the leaf away. I'm allergic to pollen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    As I said the other day, you nailed it.

    This isn't a Braveheart thing, that would only get 20-25% tops.

    Say Newcastle already had a parliament and a separate legal and education system and you were offered the option never to be run by London Tories again. Oh and BTW there is a bunch of gold in the Gateshead hills, you would be tempted wouldn't you?

    Shitting on the north of England which I think this will do is one of my reservations about this. Hopefully it could then lead to more devolved/federal government for the other parts of England outside the South East.

    All that said, if I had to put a bet I still don't think it's going to happen. The internet demographic is not the same as the real world yet.
    I read every word of this. Twice. And I still don't understand what it means. I say Scotland should have independence if Vandy says so. Unless Sesh is for independence. Then I'm against it. I don't know why, but it's my official position.

    Now, why don't you both come live in America? You can buy guns, groceries, and beer all at the same time. And pick up some fatties at the Walmart. What more could you possibly want??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This is the ridiculous thing I'm the exact opposite.

    I am incredibly wary of sausages and burgers which have to be the most expensive purest going but occasionally eat haggis which is by definition offal.

    To be honest like wearing kilts it's not something the majority of people do more than once a year - if that.
    Robbie Burns day is pretty much Haggis day here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This is the ridiculous thing I'm the exact opposite.

    I am incredibly wary of sausages and burgers which have to be the most expensive purest going but occasionally eat haggis which is by definition offal.

    To be honest like wearing kilts it's not something the majority of people do more than once a year - if that.
    The one thing I can't eat is liver. I can eat sheep's nuts, beef heart, cow tongue, stomach lining, stuffed pig's intestine, bird's nest soups, and even monkey brains but I can't eat liver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    I read every word of this. Twice. And I still don't understand what it means. I say Scotland should have independence if Vandy says so. Unless Sesh is for independence. Then I'm against it. I don't know why, but it's my official position.

    Now, why don't you both come live in America? You can buy guns, groceries, and beer all at the same time. And pick up some fatties at the Walmart. What more could you possibly want??
    When I was in high school we would eat at a place that was both a cafe and a gun shop. The guns were up front the food was in back. Some cool guns came through there. A Johnson rifle, a M1 Carbine paratrooper model, old Colt peacemakers, even an antique palm gun from the 1800's. You would check anything cool that came in out and then go have a burger and a malt for lunch. Shooting up the school was unthinkable. We just fantasized about burning it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    As I said the other day, you nailed it.

    This isn't a Braveheart thing, that would only get 20-25% tops.

    Say Newcastle already had a parliament and a separate legal and education system and you were offered the option never to be run by London Tories again. Oh and BTW there is a bunch of gold in the Gateshead hills, you would be tempted wouldn't you?

    Shitting on the north of England which I think this will do is one of my reservations about this. Hopefully it could then lead to more devolved/federal government for the other parts of England outside the South East.

    All that said, if I had to put a bet I still don't think it's going to happen. The internet demographic is not the same as the real world yet.
    You weigh what London takes vs what you get from it. Usually when people see what they will have to finance themselves they decide independence is too expensive.

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    in·de·pen·dence noun \ˌin-də-ˈpen-dən(t)s\
    : freedom from outside control or support : the state of being independent

    : the time when a country or region gains political freedom from outside control.

    I Think England get's it or they never would have given Scotland the power to do so, irregardless of Tory Vs what the fuck. It's a Calculated Gamble as the person who authorized it said. If you fully understand Freedom, England just honored your's Scotland and asked to renew your Alliance of your own free will.

    Good Luck you all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The one thing I can't eat is liver. I can eat sheep's nuts, beef heart, cow tongue, stomach lining, stuffed pig's intestine, bird's nest soups, and even monkey brains but I can't eat liver.
    Liver's disgusting. I got some for lunch one day in the Navy. I thought it was a thin steak. It was covered with sauteed onions. I got it to my mouth but luckily I smelled it first. I recognized the smell. A babysitter tried to make me eat that crap when I was about 5. I tried but I couldn't. That was the last time dad used that babysitter. He doesn't like liver either.

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    Interesting to look at the live twitter trend map although it could again just be that the internet is more pro Yes...

    http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Interesting to look at the live twitter trend map although it could again just be that the internet is more pro Yes...

    http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w
    The Canadian news has been fun. A poll in Nova Scotia stated about 80% would vote yes. Not surprising considering how "New Scotland" came to be.

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    For those of us on this side of the pond, here's info from the BBC about how this voting procedure is done....


    Guide to referendum night

    4.2m registered voters

    97% of electorate

    7am polls open

    10pm polls close, counting begins

    32 counts across Scotland

    6:30-7:30am expected declaration

    Source: Elections Scotland
    Guess this means no electro-fraud machines over there yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    When I was in high school we would eat at a place that was both a cafe and a gun shop. The guns were up front the food was in back. Some cool guns came through there. A Johnson rifle, a M1 Carbine paratrooper model, old Colt peacemakers, even an antique palm gun from the 1800's. You would check anything cool that came in out and then go have a burger and a malt for lunch. Shooting up the school was unthinkable. We just fantasized about burning it down.
    Out in the sticks there's a small mom n' pop grocery with a gun shop upstairs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Out in the sticks there's a small mom n' pop grocery with a gun shop upstairs...
    I've lived in places like that. The little grocery store in town is also the gun shop, hardware store, gas station and post office. The grocer is also the butcher, the gunsmith and the postmaster. You can buy your gun, ammo, hunting permit and tag if applicable from the guy and have him butcher whatever you kill when you're done. He might even mount the head for you too.

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    LOL
    That's like the town I grew up in.
    Every half ton had a gun rack in the rear window and an extra .22 behind the seat.
    You could buy ammo but guns were the next town over at the hardware store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    For those of us on this side of the pond, here's info from the BBC about how this voting procedure is done....




    Guess this means no electro-fraud machines over there yet?
    No we go in and mark the box with an X with an indelible pencil and then bank tellers count them while watched by both sides.
    It's primitive but it works.
    Those times you quoted are GMT so we are are 5 hours ahead of EST.

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