Scottish Independence. Good or Bad?

[cadaverdog]

It's a question. It's coming up for a vote from what I understand. It hasn't been big news here but I heard some pros and cons , mainly cons about it on tv tonight. Didn't sound like the Scots or the Brits this particular station interviewed liked the idea.

[SunisinuS]

Good.







And while you are at....Fuck the Irish and their Bullets:

[vandeleur]

Good , fucking moochers

[vandeleur]

The Shetland isles would like independence from Scotland . Seemingly they think Scotland is full of soft shandy drinking southerners
Plus they keep all the oil and make some sheep billionaires

[Satan]

[Nitro Express]

You don't have any independence until you have your own currency. This business of continuing to use the pound sterling or the euro is not independence. What you have is the illusion of independence but no real independence. So the whole thing is a bit of a joke.

[vandeleur]

Couldn't watch it but went and checked it on you tube it was good

[Kristy]

Good , fucking moochers

Really? "Moochers"? Could this due to Scotland wanting to distance itself from the stench that is England? I've been to Limeyland twice. I thought places like New Jersey and Commerce City, Colorado were bad, both were paradise when compared to that fetid land mass masquerading itself off as a country. London has to be one of the filthiest places on earth. Trash everywhere, people too callous and/or too stupid to care about their city apart from tourism which is what in Limeyland, those phone boxes and polluting double decker buses? At least Scotland has some green to it where Limeyland (particularly London) is a open-ended landfill full of fuckwits some of which form "bands" but enough said.

[vandeleur]

Really? "Moochers"? Could this due to Scotland wanting to distance itself from the stench that is England? I've been to Limeyland twice. I thought places like New Jersey and Commerce City, Colorado were bad, both were paradise when compared to that fetid land mass masquerading itself off as a country. London has to be one of the filthiest places on earth. Trash everywhere, people too callous and/or too stupid to care about their city apart from tourism which is what in Limeyland, those phone boxes and polluting double decker buses? At least Scotland has some green to it where Limeyland (particularly London) is a open-ended landfill full of fuckwits some of which form "bands" but enough said.

Yeah probably , what's green ??

[vandeleur]

Really? "Moochers"? Could this due to Scotland wanting to distance itself from the stench that is England? I've been to Limeyland twice. I thought places like New Jersey and Commerce City, Colorado were bad, both were paradise when compared to that fetid land mass masquerading itself off as a country. London has to be one of the filthiest places on earth. Trash everywhere, people too callous and/or too stupid to care about their city apart from tourism which is what in Limeyland, those phone boxes and polluting double decker buses? At least Scotland has some green to it where Limeyland (particularly London) is a open-ended landfill full of fuckwits some of which form "bands" but enough said.

Am just pleased you have a passport Hun

[Kristy]

Yeah probably , what's green ??

The Scottish people's teeth.

[Satan]

Speaking of "green", does Kristy have her new seasonal bong yet?



Yeah, the bong itself ain't green, but you know......

[Kristy]

Pumpkin bongs? Nope. Pumpkins belong in patches for cartoon character to waste their lives on. It sure as shit does not belong in beer and the same must go for weed.

Symbolic of waiting for the return of Christ?

[Kristy]

Recycled douche water, nothing more:


Now, I will go on record saying if this is made from my recycled douche water I am owned some serious royalties.

[Seshmeister]

You don't have any independence until you have your own currency. This business of continuing to use the pound sterling or the euro is not independence. What you have is the illusion of independence but no real independence. So the whole thing is a bit of a joke.

So you managed to get the subject onto banking...

[Satan]

Are there any plans in place for a Scottish currency, should the secession vote pass?

I don't see everything through the lense of a bankster conspiracy like Nitro does, but it is a valid point, that if you still used the pound as currency, it's still financially dependent on England, to some extent. Or the EU, if you went with the Euro.

Guess there's always the Bitcoin route....

[Satan]

Pumpkin bongs? Nope. Pumpkins belong in patches for cartoon character to waste their lives on. It sure as shit does not belong in beer and the same must go for weed.

Symbolic of waiting for the return of Christ?

I must admit to a slight morbid unholy curiosity about this Red Hook creation......



Don't really care for pumpkin ales, but the flavor might actually mix better with a darker beer

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Vote YES, Scotch friends, and then join the EU!



What's your take about the referendum, Sesh?

[Nitro Express]

Are there any plans in place for a Scottish currency, should the secession vote pass?

I don't see everything through the lense of a bankster conspiracy like Nitro does, but it is a valid point, that if you still used the pound as currency, it's still financially dependent on England, to some extent. Or the EU, if you went with the Euro.

Guess there's always the Bitcoin route....

It's not really an independence vote. It's a decision of being ruled by London or ruled by Brussels. All I can say is Brussels is on pins and needles and the only thing keeping it going is Germany and they have their problems. Since London is the international financial fraud capital of the world, they probably will outlast the thrown together rickety European Union. I'm betting the British Pound Sterling will outlast the Euro. Of course if pissing off Queen Elizabeth II floats your boat, hell vote independent. Then Scotland can charge taxes on all the royal estates in Scotland. If they refuse to pay, nuke em because Scotland will have the nukes. Hell vote independence and blackmail England and Wales into becoming Scotland. What goes around comes around.

[Nitro Express]

So you managed to get the subject onto banking...

It's all about money. The rest is just conversation. Try doing anything without any financing. I live in the real world.

[Satan]

Well, the fundagelicals will tell you that the kingdom of my son, the Antichrist, will come out of a revised Roman empire. So the European Union has to stick around in some form.

[vandeleur]

I live in the real world.

yeah they get a vote to leave England next year

[Seshmeister]

Had to find it elsewhere but very good.

Haggis is nice BTW...

[Seshmeister]

It's all about money. The rest is just conversation. Try doing anything without any financing. I live in the real world.

You're soulless, there is so much more to life than money.

[Seshmeister]

Are there any plans in place for a Scottish currency, should the secession vote pass?

I don't see everything through the lense of a bankster conspiracy like Nitro does, but it is a valid point, that if you still used the pound as currency, it's still financially dependent on England, to some extent. Or the EU, if you went with the Euro.

Guess there's always the Bitcoin route....

7 or 8 years ago it wasn't even an issue it was always assumed it would be the Euro, now that is not considered an option.

There is a lot of nonsense being thrown around about currency, we could use the dollar if we wished no one can stop you.

By far the most likely result will be we share the pound at first. If we don't then we can walk away from the UK debt which is now $160k per person.

That would give us a shitty credit rating but no debt and with 15 billion barrels of oil, I think we would manage.

[Seshmeister]

Vote YES, Scotch friends, and then join the EU!



What's your take about the referendum, Sesh?

Older people are voting no, and usually old people vote more than young people.

Optimists are voting yes, pessimists no.

If you looked at my Facebook feed you would think it was 95% yes to independence but maybe that's just the kind of people I hang around with but more likely No people are keeping quieter. It's a more difficult message to get excited about shouting in the streets 'things could be worse'.


What is pretty amazing is it's gone very social media. Three out of the four main political parties are No which has led the BBC to get itself in a mess of bias accusations by having 3 v 1 debates/coverage. Meanwhile 95% of the the newspapers(English/foreign owned) have been running massive No campaigns for months. Despite all this the Yes campaign has moved 20 points better in the polls in the last couple of months from 39% to 49% kind of thing.

But, despite all that the bookmakers have it still as 4-1 against a Yes vote and how often do they get stuff like that so wrong?

[VetteLS5]

we can walk away from the UK debt which is now $160k per person.

That would give us a shitty credit rating but no debt and with 15 billion barrels of oil, I think we would manage.

I thought Welsh/Welch was a derogatory term applicable to residents of one of those other islands over there? Who knew declaring a country-wide bankruptcy was the new move to financial independence? Those tricky Scots!

[Seshmeister]

The argument is 'if you don't let us share the banking reserve and the pound why should we share the downside which is the debt'.

[vandeleur]

The one serious ish comment I will make as a casual observer as neither English or Scottish but a member of the greater Geordie empire .
I don't know how much of this is driven by a desire for a national identity / independence or just people being totally sick of the cunty behaviour of Westminster.
Regardless of party all people are sick of how the country is run and has been run for a long time .
Am pretty sure if you asked any major city North of Birmingham would they want to leave the union you would get similar sentiments to what your seeing now .

[VetteLS5]

The argument is 'if you don't let us share the banking reserve and the pound why should we share the downside which is the debt'.

I would say it's kind of like me expecting you to pay me the money you borrowed from me, but at the same time not giving you a key to my house so you could raid my fridge.

That said, I know nothing about what really happens in such rainy parts of the world. Just padding my post count, working on some cred.

[Seshmeister]

The one serious ish comment I will make as a casual observer as neither English or Scottish but a member of the greater Geordie empire .
I don't know how much of this is driven by a desire for a national identity / independence or just people being totally sick of the cunty behaviour of Westminster.
Regardless of party all people are sick of how the country is run and has been run for a long time .
Am pretty sure if you asked any major city North of Birmingham would they want to leave the union you would get similar sentiments to what your seeing now .

This is all very very true.

I'm not a nationalist and the older I get the more suspicious I am of patriotism.

What should really happen is the rest of the UK should vote to remove London who are the real subsidy junkies.

[Kristy]

If you looked at my Facebook feed..

No, I don't care to do that.

[Seshmeister]

I would say it's kind of like me expecting you to pay me the money you borrowed from me, but at the same time not giving you a key to my house so you could raid my fridge.

A better analogy would be ages ago you got me to the point I couldn't afford my rent on my old place because you parked your car in my driveway so I couldn't get my car out to go to work. You suggested I move in with you but now years later I've got fed up with how you've been spending the household budget.

I say I'm moving out but I'll keep paying my share of our old credit card bill but only if I can put the old address on forms when I get asked about my credit history.

Or something like that...

[vandeleur]

Do you think Alex salmond puts people off ? He comes across as even slimier than a regular politician , and that takes some doing .

[cadaverdog]

Am just pleased you have a passport Hun

She might have had one but I doubt she has one. They don't allow mental patients in sanitariums to have passports. I'm actually surprised they allow them to use the internet. Probably some type of mental rehab program.

[Seshmeister]

Do you think Alex salmond puts people off ? He comes across as even slimier than a regular politician , and that takes some doing .

It's annoying when it comes down to individual politicians as they are pretty irrelevant in the great scheme of things.
I think he is a bit slimey which is also why he is effective. On the slime scale he's nothing compared to Osbourne or Mandleson though.

[vandeleur]

I think your right it shouldn't come down to individuals but it's the way these things pan out .
My problem with him is I do find him slimey and yes the others you mention are pretty horrible .
Surely the easiest way to come across well would have been the "at least am not them " approach .
Am not really sure if all his plans hold water but surely it didn't need to get to that , he just need to point at them . The best thing for the yes vote must have been Cameron and milliband dragging their circus up there .

[cadaverdog]

I posted this thread because I knew there were Scottish and English members here and I was mostly interested in their opinions on the subject but I realize it could affect other countries too. My main concern as an American is the nuclear sub base and the subs we have other there because I heard the people pushing for Independance there want to get rid of them. Then again you can't trust anything you hear on the news and such nowdays.
I'm guessing the currency they use is supposedly backed up by gold there like it's supposed to be here. If all the gold backing the pound is in Great Britain, England or whatever you call it would they give some to Scotland or would they just forfeit their share?

[Nitro Express]

You're soulless, there is so much more to life than money.

Not in the world of commerce and politics. Go ahead. Try to do anything without any financing. See how far you get. You won't go anywhere. Is there more to life than money. Sure but that is a life outside of commerce and politics. That's your life with family and friends.

[Nitro Express]

Well, the fundagelicals will tell you that the kingdom of my son, the Antichrist, will come out of a revised Roman empire. So the European Union has to stick around in some form.

The revised Roman empire is the Vatican. Plenty of child ass fuckers in there to be the anti-christ. Maybe a more seedy cess pool than Brussels.