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    Just as long as it's the bank tellers and not the bank executives - like the HSBC assclowns who launder the BCE's drug money.

    Here's the link for the BBC election results page. Nothing there yet, of course. But just posted for future reference.........

    http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results
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    The one thing that IS on the BBC's page is the turnout number for today's vote......

    87.09%

    When was the last time ANY election in the US had that kind of turnout??

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    Those voter turnout numbers are astounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The one thing that IS on the BBC's page is the turnout number for today's vote......

    87.09%

    When was the last time ANY election in the US had that kind of turnout??
    To be fair it's a crazy high figure for here too.

    I'm convinced it's going to be a no vote about 53-47 which is a shame In a way but it's going to shake things up a lot.

    London is getting more and more like Washington becoming corrupted by big business lobbyists and career politicians.

    This is a kick in the nuts for them so we'll see what happens next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This is the ridiculous thing I'm the exact opposite.

    I am incredibly wary of sausages and burgers which have to be the most expensive purest going but occasionally eat haggis which is by definition offal.

    To be honest like wearing kilts it's not something the majority of people do more than once a year - if that.
    I figured haggis is a traditional thing and not eaten often. You can't get it here because of the meat importing laws having to do with some broad dying after eating tinned Brit beef in the 90's during the Mad Cow craze. I think, the internal organs can be more risky for passing on disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I figured haggis is a traditional thing and not eaten often. You can't get it here because of the meat importing laws having to do with some broad dying after eating tinned Brit beef in the 90's during the Mad Cow craze. I think, the internal organs can be more risky for passing on disease...
    Who the HELL would eat imported or CANNED haggis? . We make it up here. Every city has a restaurant or pub that pulls it out for Robbie Burns day...

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    That stupid golf course voted to let women be members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    The Shetland isles would like independence from Scotland . Seemingly they think Scotland is full of soft shandy drinking southerners
    Plus they keep all the oil and make some sheep billionaires
    Ironically enough, it seems the Shetland Isles are decidedly against breaking up the band at all.......

    Shetland Islands 18,516 Y- 36.29% N-63.71%
    Orkney Islands are even more against it....

    Orkney Islands 17,806 Y-32.80% N-67.20%
    That's all that was available when I checked. More results to follow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The one thing that IS on the BBC's page is the turnout number for today's vote......

    87.09%

    When was the last time ANY election in the US had that kind of turnout??
    That's not an easy thing to research without some parameters added. The highest turnout for a U S presidential election was in 1876 with 81.8% of registered voters casting a ballot. Rutherford B Hayes won but he didn't win the popular vote. His opponent Steven Tilden got 50.9% of the popular vote. Hayes was a republican, Tilden a democrat. The next highest was in 1860 when Abe Lincoln won. He won the popular vote and had more electoral votes than the three other candidates combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Who the HELL would eat imported or CANNED haggis? . We make it up here. Every city has a restaurant or pub that pulls it out for Robbie Burns day...
    No, it wasn't haggis in a can. It was some sort of meat product from the UK that gave her Mad Cow Disease in the late 1990's severally restricting meat imports thereafter....
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    Scotland is only five million people. Independence is a pretty big decision and everyone there knows about it so they are going to turn out at the polls. I wonder what the turn out is for a regular election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Ironically enough, it seems the Shetland Isles are decidedly against breaking up the band at all.......



    Orkney Islands are even more against it....



    That's all that was available when I checked. More results to follow....
    If they were called the Shatland Isles nobody would want to live there. It sounds like a shitty place.

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    Reuters is reporting that Unionists have a 4% edge in voting:

    Scottish supporters of United Kingdom have 4 percent point lead: YouGov poll
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    September 17, 2014 6:19 PM

    EDINBURGH (Reuters) - Supporters of keeping Scotland in the United Kingdom have a four percentage point lead, the biggest opinion survey of the campaign showed just hours before Scots vote in an independence referendum.

    The poll, for the Times and Sun newspapers, showed Scottish support for staying in the United Kingdom on 52 percent with Scottish support for independence on 48 percent, excluding undecideds who number 6 percent of voters.

    YouGov said the poll showed men were much more supportive of independence while most women broadly supported staying in the United Kingdom. YouGov questioned 3,237 voters between Sept. 15 and 17.

    (Reporting by Alistair Smout, editing by Guy Faulconbridge)
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    That's still shockingly, mindbogglingly close to me
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    Is it true that Indian food is much better in Scotland than in the States?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    To be fair it's a crazy high figure for here too.

    I'm convinced it's going to be a no vote about 53-47 which is a shame In a way but it's going to shake things up a lot.

    London is getting more and more like Washington becoming corrupted by big business lobbyists and career politicians.

    This is a kick in the nuts for them so we'll see what happens next.
    The big multinational corporations have become more powerful than governments. It used to be the governments could keep these big corporations in check but now they have too many politicians bought off. The US was in a similar situation a century ago. In fact the wealth gap was about the same. It's seems to be a 100 year cycle. The monopolies form, the rich control a larger percentage of the markets, the citizens get fed up and new politicians come in who start breaking up the party. Usually a crash in the stock market is the final blow which causes things to even out more and more banking regulation comes into place. Why we have some of the problems we have is Alan Greenspan talked Bill Clinton on getting rid of some of the banking legislation that was put in during the 1930's. It opened the door to more corruption. Of course when the economy was good and people were going to get rich flipping real estate nobody cared.

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    If Scotland really wanted to make London shit a brick. Get independence and join BRICS. Have your own currency but tie it to the Chinese RMB. The Rothschild would go ape shit. You might get invaded. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    If they were called the Shatland Isles nobody would want to live there. It sounds like a shitty place.
    Yeah, now it only sounds like a place where a bunch of midget horses run around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The big multinational corporations have become more powerful than governments. It used to be the governments could keep these big corporations in check but now they have too many politicians bought off. The US was in a similar situation a century ago. In fact the wealth gap was about the same. It's seems to be a 100 year cycle. The monopolies form, the rich control a larger percentage of the markets, the citizens get fed up and new politicians come in who start breaking up the party. Usually a crash in the stock market is the final blow which causes things to even out more and more banking regulation comes into place. Why we have some of the problems we have is Alan Greenspan talked Bill Clinton on getting rid of some of the banking legislation that was put in during the 1930's. It opened the door to more corruption. Of course when the economy was good and people were going to get rich flipping real estate nobody cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    No, it wasn't haggis in a can. It was some sort of meat product from the UK that gave her Mad Cow Disease in the late 1990's severally restricting meat imports thereafter....
    You figured that was why it wasn't available there BECAUSE of the tinned meat....BUT...you wouldn't import to start with, so that's not the reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I figured haggis is a traditional thing and not eaten often. You can't get it here because of the meat importing laws having to do with some broad dying after eating tinned Brit beef in the 90's during the Mad Cow craze. I think, the internal organs can be more risky for passing on disease...
    Haggis remains popular with expatriate Scots in the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, owing to the strong influence of Scottish culture, especially for Burns Suppers. It can easily be made in any country, but is sometimes imported from Scotland. A recipe from the Canadian province of New Brunswick uses pork and bakes it in a loaf pan.
    Since 1971, it has been illegal to import haggis into the US from the UK due to a ban on food containing sheep lung, which constitutes 10 to 15% of the traditional recipe. The situation was further complicated in 1989 when all UK beef and lamb was banned from importation to the US due to the BSE crisis. In 2010, a spokeswoman for the US Department of Agriculture stated that they were reviewing the ban on beef and lamb products, but the ban on food containing sheep lung will remain enforced.
    We have our own disgusting sausage. It's called boidin. It'd quite popular in Louisiana. I tried it once when I was back there. Nasty stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    You figured that was why it wasn't available there BECAUSE of the tinned meat....BUT...you wouldn't import to start with, so that's not the reason...
    See the post #142.

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    It's all over. The nays have it. No independance for Scotland.

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    Yep... Highland hasn't reported in yet, but it wouldn't be enough to save it, even if they voted "Yes". Since the trend seemed to be more supporters in the higher populated areas, I was actually shocked that Edinburgh only had 38.9% in favor. When that number came in, it pretty much sealed the deal.

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    If Scotland did do it I would have expected them to never have a true national currency as the Scots are so tight-fisted that as soon as their Mint printed the money they would stash it under the floorboards of said Mint. No currency would ever get into circulation. And the Scot standing next to the run would be the only one who ever saw it.

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    As most of us figured, the NO vote won. I think too many Scotts are dependent on UK welfare to want to give it up. The elites have figured out if you provide a minimal level of government subsidies you end up with passive subjects who are relatively easy to manage and easily swayed into voting for the politicians the elites own. Independent people are a real pain in the ass and hard to manage. London is happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    Haggis remains popular with expatriate Scots in the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, owing to the strong influence of Scottish culture, especially for Burns Suppers. It can easily be made in any country, but is sometimes imported from Scotland. A recipe from the Canadian province of New Brunswick uses pork and bakes it in a loaf pan.
    Since 1971, it has been illegal to import haggis into the US from the UK due to a ban on food containing sheep lung, which constitutes 10 to 15% of the traditional recipe. The situation was further complicated in 1989 when all UK beef and lamb was banned from importation to the US due to the BSE crisis. In 2010, a spokeswoman for the US Department of Agriculture stated that they were reviewing the ban on beef and lamb products, but the ban on food containing sheep lung will remain enforced.
    We have our own disgusting sausage. It's called boidin. It'd quite popular in Louisiana. I tried it once when I was back there. Nasty stuff.
    When mystery meat is concerned I stick with eating kosher. I will trust the rabbi to make sure nothing too funky is in the hot dogs or salami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    You figured that was why it wasn't available there BECAUSE of the tinned meat....BUT...you wouldn't import to start with, so that's not the reason...
    It's the chopped up organs. I think they to have American haggis, but something about not having sheep's lungs or something. I'll Wiki it ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunisinuS View Post
    If Scotland did do it I would have expected them to never have a true national currency as the Scots are so tight-fisted that as soon as their Mint printed the money they would stash it under the floorboards of said Mint. No currency would ever get into circulation. And the Scot standing next to the run would be the only one who ever saw it.

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    The Royal Bank of Scotland is not a central bank. They don't make money. It's just another shitty corrupt commercial bank like HSBC and Barclays.

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    10% a bigger margin than most thought .
    Salmond has quit , whoever takes over needs to keep the momentum up .
    All in all I think Scotland and it's people can be proud , they were a brilliant example of democracy and I think the people's behaviour was something that all countries can aspire to .
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    Uh-oh..... Somebody better call Nurse Presley....



    Don't know if there's anything to the "conspiracy", but this does look a little odd......

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    BTW, both my names are Scottish

    I'd of voted "Aye!" but secretly would be pleased to have lost but at least have put the scare into Westminster to devolve more power to the Scots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Shouldn't that say you'll never give us freedom?

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    The world breathed a sigh of relief as the results came in, since there was a great deal of anxiety surrounding the issues of trade, energy, and currency if the Scots had gone their own way. With the “No” vote, none of those issues have to be resolved. But that’s not the end. This is the beginning.

    If the Scots can call a vote on independence, then why can’t any other region in the world? Catalonia in Spain is obvious, and so is Basque. What about Quebec? Flanders? Texas? The door is now open for people around the world — at least in democratic societies — to claim that it is only fair for citizens to decide their government. The genie of self-rule for small states is out of the bottle with the Scottish vote, even though they agreed to stay in the union.
    Many are saying this is just the first attempt at Scottish independence. Since national government corruption is not only rampant in the UK but other parts of the world, the Scottish move might just inspire other regions to attempt to break away. It's a clear sign that people aren't happy with their national governments and one common complaint is the political parties thus the politics is controlled by multinational corporations and not the citizens. In short. People are tired of being robbed.

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    Well, if Hillary is the "best" candidate we can get in 2016, then Cascadian Independence is looking better all the time, as far as I'm concerned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Many are saying this is just the first attempt at Scottish independence. Since national government corruption is not only rampant in the UK but other parts of the world, the Scottish move might just inspire other regions to attempt to break away. It's a clear sign that people aren't happy with their national governments and one common complaint is the political parties thus the politics is controlled by multinational corporations and not the citizens. In short. People are tired of being robbed.
    There is a real popular movement going here which I've never seen in my lifetime.

    The main swing has come from people leaving Labour(Democrats) because they are sick of them getting too close to corporations and conservatives.

    People that I know are joining political parties and rallies who would never have dreamed of doing that 6 months ago. SNP party membership has doubled in the last week.

    We'll see if it lasts but with an election next year it could...

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