Interesting seems more decent than Simmons, complains a lot about illegal downloads.
Interesting seems more decent than Simmons, complains a lot about illegal downloads.
Illegal downloads destroyed the recorded music industry. Now acts have to go on the road to make money and they have to find their own financing to go on the road. Sure there was a lot of corruption in the recording industry but the labels financed the tour, took care of the payroll for the crews and even provided insurance benefits. I think it all boiled down to how good of a negotiator your manager was and without a good manager you were screwed as an act.
Now these television shows that find and promote new acts take a bigger chunk of the profits than the record labels ever did. They take 90% or more. A big part of the game is public relations and marketing. You can have all the talent in the world but who's going to know? Who's going to promote you?
No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
I agree with this theory, but it think the record industry drove people to illegal downloads. Forcing the changing of formats was one way. I mean how many times do I have to buy Abbey Road or Fair Warning? I just downloaded a free copy of stuff I already bought. Add that to people paying $15 for a one hit wonder cd several times and free looks like a good idea.Originally Posted by Nitro Express
"Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust." - Bill NcNeal
Free? You mean stealing. The songs are copyrighted. They are property. Looting becomes easy when everyone is doing it.
And you are 100% right. I stopped illegally downloading years ago. It is wrong just trying to show the mentality of someone that does.
The bottom line is someone controls the gateway to mass exposure. Sure you can make an album without renting studio time and you can put it out on the internet. But who's going to find it? Who controls the gateway to the mass media is who is in control. Right now it's television shows and getting songs on commercials. Many people who listened to major radio stations a few years ago no longer do anymore. Technology has complicated the marketing of music and made making any money with it challenging.
WRONG! The shitty muszak they industry keeps churning out is what's destroying "da biz."
Hmmmmm. Maybe you would think differently if you were on a road crew getting a pay check from Warner Brothers with benefits and now you just get paid like a Manpower temp.
Yeah whatever, hippie.
Hippies wear Rolex watches?
I have to give some credence to Kristy . Bands are no longer required to be skilled as actual musicians ( look at rap ) or talented enough to create original music . Watered down cover versions and sampling , or should I say " stealing " are all the rage . It seems like flavor of the moment image is all important and talent is left by the wayside .
It's always been that way. Look at the Monkees. They were hired actors. Granted they learned how to play but it all was a fabricated project. The thing is today there is technology to make a fake act. The Autotune makes someone who can't sing sing in key. Also in entertainment companies like all corporations, things run from the top. People don't want to take risks because it may endanger their job. They play it safe and try to recreate something that worked before. So you get the same cookie cutter crap until someone like a Kurt Cobain type character shakes it up. The thing is you don't know who the Kurt is until someone makes them a deal and puts them out there. That of course was a record label somewhere with an employee thinking outside of the box.
Since when did the vast majority of artists ever make much money off their records?
All negotiable. If you were a poor negotiator you probably didn't. If you were, you probably made good money as long as the album sold. It's called a record deal and some artists negotiated good ones and others got took. Record companies were much like doing business with the Chinese. If you are stupid you get taken to the cleaners. If you are smart you can make money.
Artists only negotiated a "good" record deal after having sold God knows how many records! Otherwise they had no leverage whatsoever...
That's called paying your dues. Name one business where you start at the top. Most businesses fail. The music business is no different. Business is business. If you are one of the few who make it then like you said, you have more leverage. Welcome to planet earth.
Yeah, largely run into the ground by ineffectual jerkoffs trying to gouge every last cent out of CD's, even as the costs of production had fallen rapidly. They dug their own grave in the early 1990's by blatant price gouging and idiotic, short-sighted greed. But I guess the cunt execs couldn't maintain their coke and whores while charging a few buck$ for a CD instead of nearing $20 a copy!
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True to a point. Also called getting ripped off when you earn 12%
I have mixed feelings on all of this.
It's difficult to listen to someone who has made $125 million complain about being robbed on the basis of his art when
a) We know he made around 100 times as much as his guitarist and drummer.
b) Kiss were the ultimate whores of all time. How much is enough? Calling going into a studio and recording any old shit or hiring Desmond Child to do it for you is stretching the term 'art' to breaking point. 'No No No'?
I don't want to go into any Jewish stereotyping but when you have him admit he dreaded going on a ship trapped with 3500 of his fans (paying around $1000+ each) you have to ask 'Well why fucking do it? You do realize you have enough money already and you are going to die sooner or later.'
I agree, Sesh but.........the Casino circuit must be kinda lucrative for the oldies groups! They all play 'em, even the second tier acts, hell....third tier acts as well. Gotta be more than gas money!
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
The record industry has always been based on failure. One band makes it big, while countless others lose money for the label.
The labels were making money hand over fist when everyone was replacing their LPs with CDs at close to $20 a pop, and still paying bands a royalty rate based on the lower cost of LP and cassette. Then the labels got their own CD plants, lowering their manufacturing costs, and continued short-changing the artists.
Another thing: nothing should be out of print any more. Distribute it digitally. Give me an option to get a lossless file and I'll quit looking for old stuff on torrents.
And if you write...ALWAYS keep your publishing. That's where the money is.
Here's a good read on questionable contract language
https://futureofmusic.org/article/ar...lause-critique
Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.
Pretty much like other businesses. More failure than success. Most new products are failures. Yeah. Not all members of a band get paid the same and there is more money in publishing. That's why the smart people in the band write a lot of the songs and get legal ownership to their publishing. It's all about deals and negotiation. If you are smart and can play the game you make money. If you go in stupid you lose. It's no different than the construction business. You bid too low and you eat it. You get too greedy and you don't get the gig.
It's called having some talent to sell and having a brain so you don't get taken. Bend over and most likely you will get fucked.
Especially in Thailand.
American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.
Kristy, you are fooling yourself if you think that if the music wasn't all shitty (according to your wonderful standards), that people would be buying it instead of illegally downloading it.
Free will always trump everything for too many people. Whether you consider the music shitty or not.
Stay Frosty, muthas!
Again, just like Nick, you miss the point you frozen hippie hillbilly. A CD should cost no than $8 - $10 max no matter who the artist is.
Also why would anyone bother to download music that they thought was shitty?
Is that a swipe at the brilliant Katy Perry? Because if so, dat dem ure figtun wurds.
Right, you have a Rolex. Why just the other day the asshole-sucking mutant car fairy stopped by and left me with a brand new Maserati.
Just like that.
Send him my way. I need a new Maserati too! I'm gonna drive it around the Walmart parking lot and taunt poor people!
Oh I will. Matter of fact, he blessed me. Nowadays I shit Rolex watches.
I'll take one Deep Blue DSSD, please.
Actually I have two Rolex's.
I assumed you would have to give them back to Q at the end of the mission...
Nah, the CIA lets you keep your goodies. Besides, you'd be surprised how many weapons and ammo a Datejust can get you in the mountains of Afghanistan.I assumed you would have to give them back to Q at the end of the mission...
Why, it seems like only yesterday that Nitro and I were in Afghanistan, arming the Muj to fight the Soviets. Apparently a young Case Officer had angered the local warlord and village elder. Collins was his name. Anyway, it turned out that young Collins had become quite fond of one of the warlord's goats. Well, you know how these things happen - months in the mountains had simply taken a toll on the young lad. Unfortunately, Collins was discovered in a, shall we say, compromising position with the goat, whom he had named Matilda, while Nitro and I were acting as advisors to the Muj while they carried out a rather successful attack on a Soviet forward air base. The warlord killed young Collins, apparently in a fit of jealous rage.
When Nitro and I finally made it back to the village, we were shocked to learn of Collins' death, and to hear that the warlord expected payment for the damage caused to his prized goat. It seems that Matilda had fallen into a deep melancholy after the lad had been killed. Shocking, really. Anyway, as we had no money and not much else to bargain with, things looked grim for us. That is until Nitro offered his old and rather beaten Rolex 5512 to the warlord as payment for the depressed goat. Oddly enough, even though these people could neither read nor write, nor had any telly, they had somehow heard of Rolex.
Months later when we returned to the village, Nitro and I were surprised to learn that Matilda had died some time after our departure. It seems that her melancholy had become a crippling depression and she had thrown herself over a cliff. Tragic, really.
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