From Classic Metal Radio
Not positive.
I discovers an interview with David Lee Roth from Friday with Jim Norton and Jim Florentine.
During the interview, Norton, Florentine and Roth all talk about music. During the conversation, David Lee Roth talks about bands that didn’t keep their voices in shape and aren’t strong live. Roth references Robert Plant. The guys pull audio from the show they were at where Roth was terrible.
I refuse to listen to these puerile, competitive "who's better" things, but nonetheless feel compelled to repeat what I have said on here many times. i.e., one of the reasons Van Halen stood out then nd now is David Lee Roth. He wasn't trying to be a great singer - whatever that is (hey, is Plant as good live as Pavarotti?) - or be one of those identikit heavy metal screechers. He was projecting Dave - he was being himself.Originally Posted by Seshmeister
In that, he was like Dylan, John Lydon, Leonard Cohen - and not many others who can be no other than who they are.
Plant was a great singer - but he sang American much of the time, aped the blues, etc.
Dave is authentic. He's never pretending to be anything other than who he is. He has a great 'voice' in that it is indelibly stamped with his personality.
THINK LIKE THE WAVES
It's not about that so much.
They take huge offence at Dave implying that Robert Plant can't sing any more and then take a recent performance to bits.
Has Dave not listened to himself? We all know he tortured a few songs last tour.
"Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013
Once again, Dave's voice just kicked ass back in 2007-08.
Then maybe he failed keeping his voice fit - rather than lost it I believe -,
which is sad because it's obvious on quite a few songs and quite often.
Less martial arts, more vocal practice?...
Anyway, those guys on the radio go too far and sound like cunts.
Listening to them pissed me off, but there's one point I think is right
behind all that, looks like Dave should set back to a little training.
Last edited by Jérôme Frenchise; 09-04-2013 at 09:30 AM.
Sadly some of what they say is true IMO. They get a little carried away with the fact that Dave used Plant as a reference too make a point. I think he just used the first old song that popped in his head. But hey, I agree with these guy's that Dave should be looking in the mirror or listening too the live tape's from the last 2 years. He doesn't sound good and if you read stuff on You Tube or even here people know it. So he should watch what he say's. Maybe he has no clue that he hasn't delivered like in 07/08. But in this day and age he must know he has been getting slammed lately. If he isn't better next time out Van Halen can go away IMO. Why tour with a guy that can't sing that good anymore ?
I don't think Dave was thinking about Plant as much as making a quick general point, which got cherry picked, taken out of context, and gave someone something to babble about to feel better about himself.
Well he had something to prove in 2007. In 2012 he was already in the band ..
Like the married guy that lets his gut grow after the deal's sealed.
I think some of his improvs on the melodies are cool, but given a choice I'd prefer he did it like the record.
Còn guys, I think Dave is singing good this year, just watch the Japan show. His performance si brilliant. He´s almost 60!!!
Isn't it fucking awesome we are discussing how good/bad David Lee Roth is singing with Van Halen? Ten years ago we never would have thought....
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”
Obviously both of them have lost vocal abilities due to age, tobacco, alcohol, or whatever, but in the end, I think Dave's voice has held up better than Plant's, comparitively speaking.
Where Plant has the advantage though, is that he accepts that he can no longer hit certain notes and adjusts his songs accordingly, while Dave tries to push the higher octaves, even those that he never did on the original records, and that's where he hits the ugly notes. The one drawback of 1998's DLR Band album (apart from the bargain basement production) is when 43 year old Dave tried to sing notes that the 23 year old Dave never even thought of back in 1978, and the results were somewhat ugly (Relentless, for example, which was otherwise a great song)
Dave has learned how to do the songs without his trademark screams (just as Plant has) but now he just has to adjust his singing voice accordingly. And I'm still not sure what the fuck the air conditioners had to do with any of it, but if that's a factor, they should just play outdoor venues in the summer.
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
Exactly. It seems that he has given up on training - safe karate.
And as far as singing like on the record... it would be simpler for him, even...
Those lines he sings higher than needed are embarrassing.
Indeed... it hurts!
That said, we would never have thought 5 - or even 4, 3 or 2 - years ago either.
I knew this was coming, from last week when I heard the podcast.
Plant is a bad example for Roth to use. Very, very, very, very, very, very, bad. Not a good analogy at all. I dont think Plant even does Stairway any more. Last time in 07.
I assume many dont hear these podcasts, as they are so long, but he just opened up a can of worms by discussing his voice and vaugely referancing Robert Plant.
But he didnt say anything that bad, just made some breakfast suggestions.
Last edited by big fatty; 09-04-2013 at 02:26 PM.
I believe and have seen first hand that Dave also suffers a bit from people like these by not being one of the guys backstage and hanging around with the journalists and liggers.
He keeps himself apart and then these guys have a few drinks and go from being desperate to have a picture taken with him to almost saying 'who does that guy think he is anyway?'
With their noses out of joint and Dave's voice being a bit off then the barbs start...
To be honest and I will get savaged for it probably. I thought it was kind of lame of Dave on the Sam & Dave tour to not want anything to do with Hagar back stage. I remember the MTV special they did on it, Hag was just looking to hang out and have a drink or B.S. and Dave's hiding in his bus. I get the whole I'm better than you thing on stage, but backstage why not just hang out and have fun. Anthony said the same thing about him. They talked a few times but Dave was always in hiding. Whatever, Dave does what he wants I guess.
As far as what these guy's are saying who really gives a shit. They sure as hell don't have good taste in music. Saying A. D.K.O.T. is basically worthless is a joke. No not the 6 pack but still strong. So fuck em'
To be fair I don't blame Roth for not hanging out with Hagar on that tour. Hagar had been throwing shit at him for 20 years plus Hagar is a dick.
The irony of all this was their bands got on together well while for everyone else it was like the Cold War backstage.
Pojo and I were at the Raleigh show, both bands went at it backstage....
Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
Really?
I know there were a few major incidents as the tour went on but Ray told me the bands themselves got on fine.
He's probably saving the good stuff for his book...
True ! Way to set me straight !
Really?
I know there were a few major incidents as the tour went on but Ray told me the bands themselves got on fine.
He's probably saving the good stuff for his book...
Oh yeah, we heard about it a day or two after... Probably two since we got so fucking hammered at the show...
Great, just one more excuse for the mental midgets to have a field day with Roth over the internet.
Maybe this won't leak to bad since these idiots barely have an audience to begin with, but I wish Dave had watched his tongue with any involuntary misrepresentation of Robert Plant.
Geez, of all people ...
Hot dog and a shake
Shit, I'm never in the right place at the right time.............fuck
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Dupe thread. Roth could never sing.
At least Hobbit boy tried.
If you were there, Roth sang just fine. Hobbit boy (love the handle) just screeched......
The guys doing this fucking podcast are a bunch of fucking
How do you spell pretentious? S-A-M-M-Y H-A-G-A-R
You know pretty much that the guys in the bands got along good, they had no reason not to.
Brothers in arms so to speak. Most of the anxst comes from the priniciples of the band that thought they were about the common herd......
Last edited by Igosplut; 09-08-2013 at 09:24 PM.
I'd agree in a general way that "who is better" comparisons are pointless to a degree, particularly when you're talking about two singers from two different bands. Even more so when discussing someone like Robert Plant, who is a proper singer, as compared to David Lee Roth, with whom singing was only a part of his overall frontman approach. In more than a few cases, half the time Roth wasn't even engaging in what I'd call singing on Van Halen albums. The verses to Hang 'Em High spring to mind, where he's basically speaking his way through the lyrics as much as anything else.
A relevant point was also brought up in an earlier reply that Plant really hasn't and currently doesn't engage in trying to approximate 'The Led Zeppelin Experience' on various solo tours. Many of the Zeppelin songs he does essay live are reinterpreted stylistically (partially to accomodate aging vocal cords, to be sure), but overall Plant's contemporary undertakings don't really resemble the things he was doing in Led Zeppelin. In that respect, who can say if Plant's voice has held up better or worse than Roth's? Plant doesn't have as static a through-line from what he was doing in the 1970s to now as Roth does with his work in Van Halen then vs.now to even make a meaningful contrast.
Both of them have suffered declining abilities to various degrees. I would say that with Plant's last Zeppelin appearance several years back, Plant made conservative and sensible concessions to his age when approaching the vocals that Roth would do well to learn a trick or two from. In point of fact, Roth was approaching his vocals in a similar manner on the 2007/2008 tour, and his performance was all the better for it. I mean, the Zeppelin O2 show was hardly a case of Plant yelling out lyrics in a key he was clearly uncomfortable with, thus making the songs sound strange and off-putting at times on the vocal front. Sadly, the same can't be said of Roth's 2012 approach, and although the tactic seems to have lessened somewhat on the 2013 performances it is still there to the degree that some songs are just sounding goddamn awful.
Last edited by Terry; 09-08-2013 at 09:56 PM.
Scramby eggs and bacon.
Lots of good comments here. Basically Dave jumped the shark with that comment although I'm pretty sure we all can get diarrhea of the mouth when bs'ing for hours.
Very bad implied target of what was an off-the-cuff remark not necessarily aimed at Plant in particular. He just picked a universally known lyric and demonstrated how it could be potentially butchered.
I would like to choose to believe that Dave has the highest respect for Planty, as he and everyone in this plane of existence should !
But is he aware of how he has butchered his own songs and how hypocritically that remark may have been perceived ? In Dave's mind... probably not related at all.
Last edited by BenJammin; 09-10-2013 at 11:54 PM.
I'm going to say this: after 1985 (which many of you are still living in) Roth went all Kirsten Dunst and never recovered.
What the heck is that supposed to mean ? Has he been kissing upside down Spiderman or killing Lestat the vampire?
Last edited by BenJammin; 09-10-2013 at 11:57 PM.
See the Roth Army Vocab 101 thread for some, and I mean some clarity.
I think the No Holds BBQ is as close as we'll ever get to a peak inside Dave's mind. I'm pretty sure that's what it's like inside his grey matter 24/7.
My karma just ran over your dogma.
That seemed more like a glimpse into a coke induced psychosis more so than his train of thought. Now I know I don't need to try coke. I'll only end up waist high in cave water shining a rifle light around with a nefarious looking bunch.
We all change as we age & never recover. It's extremely rare where a person is the same throughout their life. Lemmy is one example and there might be a handful of others, but it's the exception for sure.
As for Daves many lives and years, the only era that I'm not fond of is the decade 96-06. It started with the Vegas show (which I attended) and ended with the radio show.
Gee Dave vs. Robert Plant. Dave was a better performer, but Bob had
his Stairway to Heaven (and Roth's still looking for it) and Bob's solo
stuff was fantastic compared to Roth's misses and hits. . .
Alex tried to sound like Bonzo, but Eddie was better than Page, especially during
Page's sloppy noodling years (see Eric Clapton), yet VH has lasted much longer than Zeppelin.
I'm so confused from the hazy drug years. . I need some snuff from Holland
Well maybe so but not everyone goes all Kirsten Dunst on their hardcore fans.
I have no idea who the fuck Kirsten Dunst is, nor do I get all your stupid fucking Kirsten Dunst references. Is your drugged out brain capable of inducing relevance in your posts?
That's also what I was trying to figure out a few posts back. Kristy seems to have went all Jon Tesh on us.
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