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    Better Call Saul

    Was going to drop this pic I snapped of the side of a bus in the Breaking Bad thread, but after 15 minutes of searching for it (wtf?) I decided to start a thread in the hopes that the show doesn't suck.

    Saul.jpg

    OK Better Call Saul. Please don't suck.
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    Suck? Ghey.
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    I liked the pilot..look forward to more.
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    Sigh...I cancelled my cable...last term in school and currently unemployed. Sigh...
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    Fairly certain that Cinabon intro takes place after Breaking Bad ends. Twisty flash forwards right out of the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Sigh...I cancelled my cable...last term in school and currently unemployed. Sigh...
    Last term of your 30th year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Fairly certain that Cinabon intro takes place after Breaking Bad ends. Twisty flash forwards right out of the gate.
    Mike in the parking booth threw me..cameo as a completely different character I guess..kinda cool bit.

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    And whats with Tuco at the end..I guess we are closer to the BB days than I thought..
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    I watched it. Never saw BB so I have no point of reference for what you guys are talking about. And I always find it disturbing to see David St. Hubbins not being, well, David St. Hubbins.

    I found the show interesting but couldn't help but feeling there was something I should know that I didn't and maybe I didn't need to know it to get the show but then I thought maybe not knowing whatever it is that I didn't know was why it seemed like I should know some stuff and then I decided I'd just watch it and now I still don't know who the fuck Saul is or why I better call him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    I watched it. Never saw BB so I have no point of reference for what you guys are talking about. And I always find it disturbing to see David St. Hubbins not being, well, David St. Hubbins.

    I found the show interesting but couldn't help but feeling there was something I should know that I didn't and maybe I didn't need to know it to get the show but then I thought maybe not knowing whatever it is that I didn't know was why it seemed like I should know some stuff and then I decided I'd just watch it and now I still don't know who the fuck Saul is or why I better call him.
    I haven't seen the show yet, and it's supposedly a "prequel", which means it shouldn't be dependent on seeing Breaking Bad to know what's going on. But if Tuco or other characters are going to show up, then it might get confusing for somebody who wasn't familiar with the characters.

    Sort of like somebody watching "The Phantom Menace" if they hadn't seen the original Star Wars trilogy first. They would probably wonder what the point was of watching some little kid and this annoying rasta frog creature for 2 hours.
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    Honestly I enjoyed the show. I'll keep watching it, depending on when it comes on.

    But really, it's hard to see Lenny without wanting him to break into Big Bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Last term of your 30th year?
    Gotta be 32 at least by now, Von.

    Yup...last one. April 24 is last day of classes. Not that I have any classes this term. All practicum. Yay, I love paying to work somewhere...especially when I'm unemployed. Wonder if I'll be the only one at convocation living in their car, lol...sort of. :eek:

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    I watched it. Never saw BB so I have no point of reference for what you guys are talking about. And I always find it disturbing to see David St. Hubbins not being, well, David St. Hubbins.

    I found the show interesting but couldn't help but feeling there was something I should know that I didn't and maybe I didn't need to know it to get the show but then I thought maybe not knowing whatever it is that I didn't know was why it seemed like I should know some stuff and then I decided I'd just watch it and now I still don't know who the fuck Saul is or why I better call him.
    Re: the Saul thing, the main character is going to change his name to that at some point.

    You shouldn't need to have seen BB but I totally recommend you do, not to understand this better but because it is the best TV show ever made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    Mike in the parking booth threw me..cameo as a completely different character I guess..kinda cool bit.
    I don't think he is a different character, they will have a clever way of explaining that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I totally recommend you do, not to understand this better but because it is the best TV show ever made.
    That's what everybody keeps telling me. I just haven't gotten around to it. I'll have to check it out.

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    My aunt and uncle who are in their mid 70s watched the whole 5 seasons and the second it ended immediately started again from episode 1 and watched the whole thing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    And whats with Tuco at the end..I guess we are closer to the BB days than I thought..
    The weird thing about that is that the actor asked for his character to be killed off early in BB.

    http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/...ruz-interview/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I don't think he is a different character, they will have a clever way of explaining that.
    Yeah..remembered also that Mike was Sauls' " Cleaner" in BB..Walter called Saul to fix the Jane situation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I don't think he is a different character, they will have a clever way of explaining that.
    I can totally picture Mike working as a parking lot attendant and using the job as a front for one criminal enterprise or another, so yeah, it's probably the same character. If this parking lot is near the courthouse, he'll probably be recurring and not just a one time cameo.

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    Yeah if you listen to podcasts from the writers of BB they spent fucking weeks plotting each episode, they wouldn't just throw Mike in for no reason.

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    Wiki says he's definitely Mike, and that (eventually) he'll be working for Saul as a private investigator

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Honestly I enjoyed the show. I'll keep watching it, depending on when it comes on.

    But really, it's hard to see Lenny without wanting him to break into Big Bottom.
    I give him another episode before he's killed off quick for shock value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    And whats with Tuco at the end..I guess we are closer to the BB days than I thought..
    Before Saul hits the skater con-artist dude, he's reading his credit card to over the phone and gives '04 as the expiration date, so I'd say this show is backed up to atleast 3 years prior to BB.

    Tuco is awesome. I'm looking forward to his meth-snorting misbehavior. Bring on Gus, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Before Saul hits the skater con-artist dude, he's reading his credit card to over the phone and gives '04 as the expiration date, so I'd say this show is backed up to atleast 3 years prior to BB.

    Ah yeah that sounds about right, I was judging it by cell phones.

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    Just finished watching the 2nd episode. Great opening scene. Tuco is the Latino Henry Rollins.

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    Having watched the entire BB series and listened to every BB podcast, I was praying they wouldn't really shit their legacy with some Better Call Saul crap. That said, I LOVED Saul in the BB series. That also said, I'm BLOWN AWAY by the first episode of the new show, can't wait to see it!
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    Saulbacks: An Exhaustive Compendium of 'Breaking Bad' References in 'Better Call Saul'

    Better Call Saul may be a spin-off of Breaking Bad, but after just two episodes it's already clear you don't need to know the original to enjoy the prequel. That said, familiarity with Breaking Bad makes Better Call Saul better by turning it into a treasure hunt for satisfying callbacks. Some of the Saulbacks, as we're calling them, have been obvious, others subtle, and many debatable. For fans of Breaking Bad, they're winks that reward years of commitment. Vince Gilligan has said as much, telling the Hollywood Reporter, "We love rewarding the audience that pays strict, close attention. We love little Easter eggs." Each week, we're planning to catalogue those Easter eggs, at least all those that we notice. First up, the first two installments, "Uno" and "Mijo."

    Season 1, Episode 1: "Uno"

    The Cinnabon in Omaha
    In "Granite State," the table-setting penultimate episode of Breaking Bad, a dejected Saul Goodman speculates about his life after he disappears from New Mexico. "If I'm lucky in a month from now, best-case scenario, I'm managing a Cinnabon in Omaha," he says. Consider Saul lucky, even if his life in Omaha appears bleak and meaningless. Also worth mentioning is the way director Vince Gilligan shows those gooey Cinnabons transforming from disparate parts into a divine, cohesive creation. The close-ups, the detail, the process—it all mirrors scenes showing Walt and Jesse cooking their renowned blue meth, perhaps the only substance more addictive than Cinnabon's 1,000-calorie dough bombs.


    Saul's hiding place and the video in it
    Just like Walter before him, Saul has taken to hiding his most valuable goods, in this case, remnants of his past life, in a hole under his floorboards. In a moment of weakness during our brief glimpse of Saul in the present day (living as a mustachioed lunk named Gene), he reaches into that hiding place and pulls out a VHS tape with recordings of his cheesy commercials.

    Zen Nail Spa
    In season three of Breaking Bad, Saul enjoys a manicure at this seemingly unremarkable nail salon as he tries to convince Jesse to use it as a money-laundering operation. In season four, he tries to convince Walt and Skyler to buy it to help them launder their money. Now we know why he was so convinced of its utility: When he was still known as Jimmy McGill, Saul ran his two-bit law office out of a broom closet in the back of the building.

    Tuco and Mike show their faces
    Maybe the appearances of two characters central to Breaking Bad aren't so much callbacks as indications that Albuquerque is a small town. Given the importance of these two characters, though, we're including them here. When we meet Mike, he's a parking-lot attendant at the local courthouse hassling Saul (then Jimmy) about parking fees. Meanwhile, Tuco is seen only briefly sticking his head out of his grandmother's front door after pulling a gun on Saul (aka Jimmy—let's hope he changes his name on the show soon so this is easier).

    Saul's Cadillac DeVille
    Throughout Breaking Bad Saul drives a white Cadillac DeVille, similar to the car we briefly glimpse before setting eyes on the piss-yellow Suzuki Esteem Saul drives before becoming the sleaziest lawyer in ABQ.

    Windshields break
    It was a running joke on Breaking Bad—the windshield on Walt's Pontiac Aztek broke easier than a skateboarder's legs—and if the premiere of Better Call Saul was any indication, the gag will live on. Two windshields broke in this episode, one on Saul's clunker and one on Tuco's abuelita's wagon.

    Juan Tabo Avenue
    Gale Boetticher lived on Juan Tabo Avenue and the insurance scamming twins followed Tuco's abuelita on Juan Tabo Avenue. Yes, Juan Tabo Avenue is a major thoroughfare in Albuquerque, but when Gilligan needed a street to reference in the Better Call Saul premiere, he surely chose Juan Tabo Avenue as little treat for those watching and listening closely.

    Season 1, Episode 2: "Mijo"

    Another cooking montage
    At a certain point, stylistic choices like the method in which Tuco is shown cooking will stop reminding us of Breaking Bad and exist as part of a continuum. That point hasn't yet arrived, so Tuco's pepper chopping and the way it's shown qualifies as a Saulback.

    Tuco respects his elders
    It's impossible to see the way Tuco treats his abuelita—you think he would scrub a rug for anyone else?—and not think of the respect he had for his diabolical Tio, who, like Tuco's abuelita, really enjoyed TV. Elderly family members are this psychotic drug dealer's only soft spot. Call one of them a "biznatch" and he'll bring fury down on your face with a cane.

    No Doze gets mouthy
    As Tuco debates his options (murder? maiming? torture?) for dealing with Saul and the idiot twins in the vast emptiness of the desert, his henchman No Doze speaks without being spoken to. That's a mistake. Tuco quickly admonishes No Doze, a reminder of the how the sidekick would eventually meet his demise for popping off to Tuco in a junkyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobad View Post
    Having watched the entire BB series and listened to every BB podcast, I was praying they wouldn't really shit their legacy with some Better Call Saul crap. That said, I LOVED Saul in the BB series. That also said, I'm BLOWN AWAY by the first episode of the new show, can't wait to see it!
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    Yeah..my DVR is set..

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    Yeah I half expected a quirky sitcom that reset after each episode, it's much better than that.

    It's been getting good reviews over here from people who have seen BB and those that haven't too.

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    I dig it so far.
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    Really liking the start of this...

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    Another great episode.

    A few random factoids from the podcasts, official and otherwise.

    1) They spent 14 months writing this and it seems to be just about the exact same team as BB.

    2) They are already working on season 2

    3) Tuco's grandmother was played by the same actress as Al Pacino's mother in Scarface.

    4) The nail bar where his office is was suggested as a way to launder money in BB by Saul to Walter and Jessie. It exists in real life and most of the staff shown are not actors but real life.

    5) Nacho is the guy that Tuco kills in front of Walter and Jessie at the end of BB season 1. I missed that.

    6) It's set in 2002

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    Not sure about #5. I'm pretty sure Tuco kills the numb nuts who tries to help him out by adding his two cents. The guy with the white socks and baggy black shorts who says, "one guy already has a black eye". Tuco stares him down and says "don't help me".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Not sure about #5. I'm pretty sure Tuco kills the numb nuts who tries to help him out by adding his two cents. The guy with the white socks and baggy black shorts who says, "one guy already has a black eye". Tuco stares him down and says "don't help me".
    Ah sorry I seem to have been given some bad info...

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    It was mostly good info.

    This show really is pulling off something tricky. People with no prior BB knowledge are getting a good show to watch while fans of BB get that plus all of the "saulbacks". Everybody wins.

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    The interesting thing then is that Nacho is kind of doomed otherwise he would be in BB.

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    That being said, folks that haven't seen BB should ignore this thread.

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    I'm seriously impressed so far. Vince Gilligan has obviously done the heavy lifting to make this work. It has the familiar "Breaking Bad" feeling, but with a whole new story.

    It truly is amazing, when you think about it, that a show of this quality could be crafted in the same universe as "Breaking Bad" without being considered hokey and contrived. "Breaking Bad" was such a landmark show....it must have been scary as shit to pursue "Better Call Saul."

    This could have ended up as "After M*A*S*H"....but thank God it's not.

    Gilligan also has "Battle Creek" about to premiere on CBS. I hope he doesn't get distracted by a second show and let "Saul" suffer the consequences.
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