Interesting. I'd have to give that nod to The Trouble with Never, just because I fundamentally disagree with that song being worthy of a live set to begin with. Hearing it did nothing to sway me. All I could think was "As Is" or "Outta Space" is SO much more suited for a live setting.Originally Posted by chuckjitsu
Hell, the song I was most excited to hear, Girl Gone Bad, was pretty ehh live.
And that's what they are thinking. What are we gonna do ? BUY IT FUCKERS !!! It's all ya get !!
If I play back VH II is DTNA the one you gravitate towards? I would play DOA Light up the sky, Outta Love, Doctor....those songs are begging to be played live. Hard to compare an era where they were played in their entirety every night to one where people are looking for just the hits.
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Wouldn't miss TTWN at all. It is one of my least favorite songs on the album and should be banished from future setlists along with Tattoo as there are much better songs on that album to choose from.
They think Tattoo is their modern day Jump. Neither of those songs will ever leave the setlist.
Especially now that Dave is convinced he's a Japanese gangster. I hope he tattoos his head. And face. That would be cool.
American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.
Tattoo was better the first time around.....
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I think Tattoo is better than a lot of people here think. The problem with it is that it shouldn't have been the first single and it gave people a bit of a fright they never got over.
Back in the day bands would make sure they had their core audience on track at the first single/song and then go more commercial in the second and third.
Some late 80s examples would be that Def Leppard coming back from a big gap released Women as their first single which is maybe the most rocky number on an album that became a series of soccer mom singles. It's even funnier to think that the first Guns N Roses single was It's So Easy. Given that Van Halen weren't going to promote it properly with interviews, a proper video or promote it through radio they should have just released something less conservative.
TTWN is one of those songs that is a little less than the sum of it's parts. In my experience when you are writing songs quite often you have one that seems to tick the boxes, it's got the music, melody, lyrics and so on but eventually you are forced to admit for some reason it's not as good as it should be and it's impossible in those situations to analyze any further why. It's weird. At that point ideally a band that is producing lots of music can just say fuck it and put it aside. More often what happens is that it is kept because someone or a couple of people in the band don't want to give it up. The difference between the great bands and everyone else is that they have some mechanism be it insane talented dictator, super producer manager or no ego democracy that allows these painful decisions to happen. I don't think that happens so much now in Van Halen as it used to.
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Tattoo, Big River, etc., all suffer from two things, in my opinion:
1. No Mikey
3. I can't stop hearing/singing the original lyrics
Now, for casual fans or newer fans it's not a problem. But if you've been listening to the old demos fordamnever it's kinda hard to listen to the new ones and not notice what's missing and not sing the old lyrics. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the new takes on the old stuff, but it's just one of those things that jumps out at me.
I almost never listen to ADKOT these days. I constantly rotate out the 37 or so bootlegs/demos and listen to them instead. And honestly, if we all liked the same shit - what would we fight about?
I think that was only true in the UK, but I can understand why.... even in the 80s, it was easier to get a three minute single on the radio from an unknown band than it was a much longer song like "Sweet Child" or "Paradise City". Not sure why they wouldn't have gone with "Welcome To The Jungle", except maybe they didn't want to lead off with lyrics that allude to violence, prostitution and other such things?
But as far as ADKOT goes, I definitely would have put out "She's The Woman" as the first single, and probably would have put it first on the CD as well. Even now, when I play the disc, I usually start with track 2.
LOL what happened to #2?
Here's a thing about the Mike thing. In album terms what percentage did it lose not having him there? If we give it a generous 15% on an arbitrary CVH split of 35% Dave, 35% Ed and 30% rhythm section.
I think on that album Wolfgang claims back 5% with his bass playing. That may be unfair in technical terms on MA it may just be due to having more time and cooperation from Ed. I may also be talking shit because I really never listened much to Van Hagar.
Going back to TTWN as an example would Mike have coordinated a fill at 1:59 like that?
I'm only talking about Mikey's voice - not playing. Especially since everybody here knows Wolfie can pretend to be Mikey on bass better than Mikey.
And I skipped 2 because Sammy told me to.
Van Halen needs to get Mike back or retire.
I'd rather see Dave go back to being a solo artist and release his solo album if Van Halen can't give us the classic lineup.
It's nothing against Wolf, this lineup has run it's course.
ADKOT was a good record, but when I think of Van Halen I think of Dave, Eddie, Alex and Michael. You just can't replace Mikey's background vocals they are part of the classic Van Halen sound and just as important as Ed's solos, Alex's snare drum or David Lee Roth's screams.
Daz right. A shitty live album when the fans want some real vintage stuff. Oh we all know VH never ever gave a shit about their fans (same goes to DLR for that matter) and they won't start now.
I will illegally download this pile of crap and give it a listen, just to hear if PrimaRotha tweeked his vocals in the studio. They say it will have no overdubs, but frankly, do you still believe them?
Nah, I thought so.
I don't get all this angst and attention over DTNA... I'm happy Dave ruined it further with his high register vocals. It's one of the most bubblegum pop songs the band produced and it sucked new and still sucks!! That song and AC/DC's Shook Me All Night Long are two that could never be performed again and I wouldn't miss either...
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Point taken.
But still probably better than what they did in the states!
I guess it's just varying degrees of cringe-worthy....
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fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.
Excellent take, Von. 100% spot on.
Remember when they did some Super Bowl "Tattoo" promotion? (I think it was the Super Bowl...)
Bands don't do that kind of marketing for a song that they don't think is a some sort of cultural landmark...
I hear ya WARF, but I don't think Dave will ever go back to being a solo artist. It would relegate him back to virtual obscurity for everyone except the truly diehard fans, and he loves the mainstream fame and fortune that he's been riding since 2007.
He just loves the attention too much to ever give it up again. And he can't get this level of attention on his own.
If this has been officially announced how come there is no mention of it on any of the VH social media sites or even the DLR site. No promotion at all. If it's out end if March not much lead time to get some orders in.
Do you just not want to believe this is the garbage they going to be selling come March 31st? I hate to break it to you, but this is happening. Much to your chagrin, it's not a bad dream!
maybe it was a fake, a good fake, amazon links were fake
Yeah it's kind of messed up in terms of promoting an album release. Only word mentioned by anyone in the VH camp was by Wolf on his twitter. The "ok angry birds we got it" post.
Why would the band or WB want to lift a finger to promote this when they have this place, VHLINKS, VHND and some radio station in Bug Ear, Alberta Canada already doing all the heavy lifting for them... for fucking FREE!!
What passes as entertainment/music media these days all have the details even the record art work...
Lead time for orders..? Don't worry... Walmart will have a copy for you the day of release or you can download it to your phone within minutes of it's availability.
ADKOT and this live record release show that Van Halen is simply not a well runned organization. Every fan poll and critic review cited Stay Frosty as the highlight and VH basically ignored the damn thing. Their sense of the market just plain sucks. I hope this tour they give some life to ADKOT that is different such as Stay Frasty or As Is, etc... China Town doesn't work live and Sesh nailed it on Trouble w Never, it should be a good song, the pieces are there but for whatever reason it just doesn't come together as it should.
I saw Dave do DOA on Long Island in 06 and he nailed it perfectly, that would be a great one to bring back. Hopefully the band noticed some songs like HAIL that were dead for decades were what fans left talking about, that was such highlight last tour.
Maybe its all an April fools joke and we get a box of 78 -84 material instead.....
As Dave stated previously, Stay Frosty was the one and only truly brand new song on the whole album, and he wrote the whole thing including the melody. For that reason, I'd be a million more times excited about the John 5 disc, than I am this bullshit Tokyo stuff.
So 12 of the 13 songs had riffs that had been kicking around for a while? I thought it was 7. Doesn't matter to me either way. They were well within their rights to dig into their own trick bag. Screw anyone who thinks they shouldn't have.
According to Dave.
I had no problem with them rehashing old riffs either. But I do have a problem with what they are trying to sell me on in March.
Besides John 5 project I would love for Dave to release a bunch of acoustic stuff he recorded but never released. I actually enjoy his playing and think his voice now is better suited acoustically to highlight his tone over him forcing power not there anymore.
Every time Sammy Hagar talks about how much money he makes, I illegally download one of his albums for FREE and never listen to it.
Why torture your hard drive that way?!?
I brought my pencil!!!
I cant believe its even a conversation.
Has it been mentioned that if a live album is to be released in 6 weeks, then we are probably at least 9 months away from an album of new music, if at all?
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RIP VH
Why not get a bottle of Cabo Wabo tequila for a 5 finger discount instead?
You'll still be taking Sammy's money, but at least you'll get something out of it, for a little while.
That's actually worse. The people at the store will just restock because they think people want the stuff.
I have an idea for a sticker on the Nth remasters:
"VH, the band that replaces quality with quantity."
He only knows one song...
Ice Cream man, Could This Be Magic, and Stay Frosty...
That's one more than you know.
That's what bothers me most. If they were an actual working band, this live album would probably delay new material for at least a year, but probably more like two. With these guys and their thumb twiddling, who knows and meanwhile the sun of their careers creeps closer to the horizon. The thought of it being at least a couple more years for any new material is depressing. Crack the fuckin' whip, Wolf.
He said in his next tweet that he was talking about the game, not VH fans
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