Not to mention the blower rants...
Not to mention the blower rants...
Originally Posted by ZahZoo
Dave's not washed up, you idiot...
He sang better than he ever has live only seven years ago...
He'll get it back and surprise you yet again and you'll be singin' the praises...
I never said anything about being washed up... nor that he was suffering from an illness or that he lost the level of singing ability he chose to put into his performances 7 years ago.
I don't believe he's lost much, if any, of his singing ability from the 2007 performances to 2013 in Japan. If so, at worst maybe just a 1-3% fall off.
It's my opinion that Dave has consciously chosen to embellish his vocal performances with that high octave bullshit and baritone half-assed opera vibrato crap thinking he's being creative and cute. Hey, it's his masterpieces to fuck up if he wants to and the band allows it.
Add to that... Dave's immersed himself in certain aspects of Japanese pop culture and their retarded, yuck it up comedy schtick. Throw that in a blender with Southern California rock star bravado and the end result is something ugly and embarrassing to watch/listen to. Especially for a guy performing classic rock standards in his 60's... Think bald, 80 year old Jerry Lewis on crack fronting an 80's hair band...
What I'm trying to say is this isn't a performer who lacks the ability to sing... it's Dave the "Entertainer" who's reinvented an act that doesn't work nor retain the Van Halen vibe.
"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”
Do you have ears ??
I disagree...
Circle gets a square...
Dave IS the Van Halen vibe...
Fuck dude...
I think the one smoking crack is you...
You make nerds like Eddie Trunk sound intelligent and inspired...
I do... I've also followed a clear and visible progression.
In 2006... Dave participated in that Strummin with the Devil Bluegrass project. I'm pretty sure he worked with a vocal coach and some really talented musicians who took the core melodies of the Classic Van Halen tunes from the studio releases and transposed those into bluegrass compositions. That was some really good work and they captured both vocals and musically the Van Halen vibe of each song. That refined focus showed up in Dave's singing quite clearly.
In 2007/8... Dave performed vocally at a higher level than he ever did the previous 20 years. Two factors played into that... proving he deserved to be back fronting Van Halen but I think more-so that the work he did on Strummin focused his singing more aligned with the original melodies within the VH material.
In 2012... Dave was still pretty much on but started wandering creatively and I think his work on ADKOT influenced his performances to a higher energy amperage... which tends to drive him into that high octave crap which kills most of his classic tune vocals. Chinatown is great example... he barely pulls it off in the studio version and struggled 98% of the time with that live. Head from there right into DNTA and Dave lacks the throttle control to make the transition.
Best way to describe his vocal transformation was it went from sultry, smooth whiskey soaked... to too much RedBull and Pop Tarts. Given Dave's personality he lacks the control to transition between those modes smoothly. Add Japanese creepy culture and 2013 is the result...
Easy to make the... "Dude you're smoking crack" comment. Idiots take the easiest route.
Got an opinion on the subject..? Lay it out or shut fuck up...
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Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
Holy shit... it's Pete's Brother, again!
anybody watchin' catos' vids?
I agree with all of this, Its almost as if Dave thought he had to morph somewhat to retain relevance or perhaps even was told by band members that he isn't 30 anymore and the bare-chested thing was dated?
Who really knows. It has to change though
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Listening to VH from Indiana 7/6/84 on cassette, of all things, right now.
The sound is crisp.
The music is great.
The banter is top notch.
The solos are blazing and irratic.
The screams are guttural as ever.
The crowd cheer bursts are genuine.
The vibe is that of the quintessential Van Halen.
*sigh*
If only the modern day VH knew what the definition of definitive was.
Yeah, it would be 1985 all over again.
Well, after all, that was their Heyday.
(There's a 1985 The Church joke for ya)
This is a really, really good way of describing it. Nice post, Zah
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I have this bootleg myself and it is a good show with good sound quality. I haven't listened to it in years though and the bootleg was on cassettes (!), so i have no idea how those tapes would sound today after umpteen years packed up in my garage. I also have the Charlotte show from that tour as well, which was also a good show.
That may have been 1986.
Many of you should check out the year 1986. It would be quite therapeutic.
I've got this one and MSG from '84 on tape and they've withstood the "garage" test of time over here. Thank God.
But Wiki said '85!
Settle down. You know I'm all about the '86, or did you forget our Fixx discussion?
MSG 84 - March 30th show. Just pulled it out. Cathedral is ... obviously the bionic man version. Mind-blowingly good.
Where's the beef ...
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Interesting to compareDave IS the Van Halen vibe...
To this:
Well, that's good. It's gets so taxing hearing about 1985 when "CVH" was no more. It's like many of you are reliving the trauma of 1985 when Roth left the band over and over again. Now all you have for therapy is a homoerotic fansite.But Wiki said '85!
Settle down. You know I'm all about the '86, or did you forget our Fixx discussion?
Eh, it's progress.
I wasn't reliving a trauma this afternoon. I was merely enjoying a swan song.
Swan song: noun.
the last act or manifestation of someone or something; farewell appearance.
Same diffy.
I was at the Montreal show. Lot of fun. Band seemed to be having fun and I think the Dave sex tape shtick made its debut at the show.
It looks fun. Dave seemed full of energy from the clips I have seen
Romeo, that is the best version (Louisiana) since they did the rehearsal in 2007 that I have seen. Wish Dave would hit that type of vib as he ages every night. Stop the fucking almost flat all the time up registers and work the fucking tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1D_0p4sbY
Makes you root for him instead of cringing. And I count at least 3 throat singing screams, and in places he did not do them on the record. Fuck Yea. If a 60 year old man can suck his wife's 60 year old titties, that is how he should be sucking them. Not trying to lady Gaga that shit.
Last edited by SunisinuS; 03-15-2015 at 05:24 AM. Reason: And Wolfie is hitting some sweet bass passes that he should be able to elaborate on even more. Normal, Good, Classic Van Halen. More like fine wine here.
Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.
Not the Full Bug anymore - definitely the Age Bug in the other ones (and he got bitten pretty bad)
Last edited by howie; 03-15-2015 at 06:21 AM.
I was able hang out at the rehearsal in NY for the bluegrass project since they needed to play about 3 songs for various media gigs to promote. I would have to rummage through shit to find his name but Dave indeed had a vocal coach there. The guy said he had worked with Dave since the end of 2004. So age, health, effects of some loss elasticity in chords due to bad mechanics etc... are an issue but simple technique and choices are a reason for optimism.
Just a personal view, during that time period he had laser focus and in hindsight probably already knew he was getting close to finalizing his return. I do think Dave is simply an awful winner at times and after pulling off 07 and Eddie was the issue he won. Just a hunch but seems consistent. Does his best with his back to the wall but endzone dances too much
It seems there will never be any VH tour in Europe. They bothered getting to Japan and even Down Under for a few dates only, but wouldn't cross the fuckin' Atlantic (even with such a solid looking liner boat...)...
Anyway, at least the live album will be available one day earlier here. Small consolation. Pre-ordered it from the nearest music store for €18 (§19).
I'm sure I won't be disappointed as it's all been overcriticized by nearly us all, so...
Hmmm...
You wuz robbed.
I wuzn't: I paid willingly. I only fooled myself, at worst.
They should have just repackaged ADKOT and added the live crap as a bonus...
That way the unsuspecting buyer would get a great album (sans Tattoo, of course) along with the shock of his life...
Side A: A Different Kind of Truth.
Side B: The Truth.
now that was funny...
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We were listening to the live Soundgarden CD at work the other day. I was astonished at how awful it was. Cornell, whom I like, was all over the place and sounded like he was singing without any monitors. It's amazing what some bands will release. Accepting warts and all when you're at the show is one thing. Flubs and missed keys are not near as noticeable when you're there. But when you're playing a CD of a live performance, that shit sticks out like a sore thumb.
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