Currently Israel is part of the problem and not of the solution!
Currently Israel is part of the problem and not of the solution!
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philouze (03-05-2015)
Netanyahu certainly is, he contradicts his own security and intelligence assessments....
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A big part.Originally Posted by kentuckyklira
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Try to say that in France, you'll be locked in for antisemitism. See where we are now?
Those fucks like to dangle this holocaust thing in front of our eyes and use it as an excuse. Fuck them.
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ELVIS (03-05-2015)
Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad
Gulf between Israeli secret service and PM revealed in documents shared with the Guardian along with other secrets including CIA bids to contact Hamas
Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad, leaked spy cables show
Seumas Milne, Ewen MacAskill and Clayton Swisher
Monday 23 February 2015 13.06 EST Last modified on Thursday 26 February 2015 12.22 EST
Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.
It is part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world’s major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.
Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.
But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.
An extract from the document An extract from the document Photograph: The Guardian
The disclosure comes as tensions between Israel and its staunchest ally, the US, have dramatically increased ahead of Netanyahu’s planned address to the US Congress on 3 March.
The White House fears the Israeli leader’s anticipated inflammatory rhetoric could damage sensitive negotiations between Tehran and the world’s six big powers over Iran’s nuclear programme. The deadline to agree on a framework is in late March, with the final settlement to come on 30 June. Netanyahu has vowed to block an agreement he claims would give Iran access to a nuclear weapons capability.
The US president, Barack Obama, will not meet Netanyahu during his visit, saying protocol precludes a meeting so close to next month’s general election in Israel.
The documents, almost all marked as confidential or top secret, span almost a decade of global intelligence traffic, from 2006 to December last year. It has been leaked to the al-Jazeera investigative unit and shared with the Guardian.
The papers include details of operations against al-Qaida, Islamic State and other terrorist organisations, but also the targeting of environmental activists.
The files reveal that:
• The CIA attempted to establish contact with Hamas in spite of a US ban.
• South Korean intelligence targeted the leader of Greenpeace.
• Barack Obama “threatened” the Palestinian president to withdraw a bid for recognition of Palestine at the UN.
• South African intelligence spied on Russia over a controversial $100m joint satellite deal.
The cache, which has been independently authenticated by the Guardian, mainly involves exchanges between South Africa’s intelligence agency and its counterparts around the world. It is not the entire volume of traffic but a selective leak.
One of the biggest hauls is from Mossad. But there are also documents from Russia’s FSB, which is responsible for counter-terrorism. Such leaks of Russian material are extremely rare.
Other spy agencies caught up in the trawl include those of the US, Britain, France, Jordan, the UAE, Oman and several African nations.
The scale of the leak, coming 20 months after US whistleblower Edward Snowden handed over tens of thousands of NSA and GCHQ documents to the Guardian, highlights the increasing inability of intelligence agencies to keep their secrets secure.
While the Snowden trove revealed the scale of technological surveillance, the latest spy cables deal with espionage at street level – known to the intelligence agencies as human intelligence, or “humint”. They include surveillance reports, inter-agency information trading, disinformation and backbiting, as well as evidence of infiltration, theft and blackmail.
The leaks show how Africa is becoming increasingly important for global espionage, with the US and other western states building up their presence on the continent and China expanding its economic influence. One serving intelligence officer told the Guardian: “South Africa is the El Dorado of espionage.”
Africa has also become caught up in the US, Israeli and British covert global campaigns to stem the spread of Iranian influence, tighten sanctions and block its nuclear programme.
The Mossad briefing about Iran’s nuclear programme in 2012 was in stark contrast to the alarmist tone set by Netanyahu, who has long presented the Iranian nuclear programme as an existential threat to Israel and a huge risk to world security. The Israeli prime minister told the UN: “By next spring, at most by next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move[d] on to the final stage. From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.”
He said his information was not based on secret information or military intelligence but International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports.
Behind the scenes, Mossad took a different view. In a report shared with South African spies on 22 October 2012 – but likely written earlier – it conceded that Iran was “working to close gaps in areas that appear legitimate, such as enrichment reactors, which will reduce the time required to produce weapons from the time the instruction is actually given”.
But the report also states that Iran “does not appear to be ready” to enrich uranium to the higher levels necessary for nuclear weapons. To build a bomb requires enrichment to 90%. Mossad estimated that Iran then had “about 100kg of material enriched to 20%” (which was later diluted or converted under the terms of the 2013 Geneva agreement). Iran has always said it is developing a nuclear programme for civilian energy purposes.
Last week, Netanyahu’s office repeated the claim that “Iran is closer than ever today to obtaining enriched material for a nuclear bomb” in a statement in response to an IAEA report.
A senior Israeli government official said there was no contradiction between Netanyahu’s statements on the Iranian nuclear threat and “the quotes in your story – allegedly from Israeli intelligence”. Both the prime minister and Mossad said Iran was enriching uranium in order to produce weapons, he added.
“Israel believes the proposed nuclear deal with Iran is a bad deal, for it enables the world’s foremost terror state to create capabilities to produce the elements necessary for a nuclear bomb,” he said.
However, Mossad had been at odds with Netanyahu on Iran before. The former Mossad chief Meir Dagan, who left office in December 2010, let it be known that he had opposed an order from Netanyahu to prepare a military attack on Iran.
Other members of Israel’s security establishment were riled by Netanyahu’s rhetoric on the Iranian nuclear threat and his advocacy of military confrontation. In April 2012, a former head of Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security agency, accused Netanyahu of “messianic” political leadership for pressing for military action, saying he and the then defence minister, Ehud Barak, were misleading the public on the Iran issue. Benny Gantz, the Israeli military chief of staff, said decisions on tackling Iran “must be made carefully, out of historic responsibility but without hysteria”.
There were also suspicions in Washington that Netanyahu was seeking to bounce Obama into taking a more hawkish line on Iran.
A few days before Netanyahu’s speech to the UN, the then US defence secretary, Leon Panetta, accused the Israeli prime minister of trying to force the US into a corner. “The fact is … presidents of the United States, prime ministers of Israel or any other country … don’t have, you know, a bunch of little red lines that determine their decisions,” he said.
“What they have are facts that are presented to them about what a country is up to, and then they weigh what kind of action is needed in order to deal with that situation. I mean, that’s the real world. Red lines are kind of political arguments that are used to try to put people in a corner.”
The Guardian
ELVIS (03-05-2015)
Well, if even Mossad is getting sick of NuttyYahoo/Likud bullshit, then maybe they can "help" the next election, if needed.
It's not like Benji won the last one. He was just able to form a coalition with the fringe parties even crazier than he is.
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What year is this?
WHAT YEAR IS THIS?
It's Nineteeeeeeeeeen... Eeeeeeighty Fooooooooooooooooooour!
Beyond, and no-one cares...
As long as they have their big screen to watch the propaganda on, they're fine...
And the new TV's are watching and recording everything we do...
Well, they...
I don't have one...
I live in Germany and used to be a part time politician. Try to consider the kind of flak I get/got from the PC crowd!
Religion has fuck all to do with the Ukraine conflict!
Putin is just retaliating for "the west´s" support of issues like Kosovo´s independance or the support for the Syrian opposition (we sure know how well thet worked out). The paratroopers at Pristina airport in 1999 should have been hint enough!
Netanyahu is an idiot, and is as much a danger to Israel as he is to anyone else. He's managed to highhandedly irreparably damage his country's overall relations with the U.S. and is only concerned about maintaining power. He's a dumb, fucking whore...
Putin is a corrupt cunt that ultimately fears an "Orange/Yellow/Blue Revolution" in Russia (what happened in the Ukraine). Because he's been bought off by the Oligarchs and is quite possibly the richest man in the world - flush with dirty oil money and bribes...
Former IDF chief hints he stood in way of Iran attack
In television interview, Benny Gantz reveals arguments between army and government over strike
By Lazar Berman March 1, 2015, 9:52 pm
Israel’s recently retired chief of staff hinted that he helped prevent a possible Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear program.
Speaking to Ilana Dayan, host of Channel 2’s Uvda newsmagazine, Lt. Gen. (res.) Benny Gantz said he felt that without his presence and input in high-level government discussions, other decisions might have been made.
“It never reached, ‘OK, take off and fly,'” said Gantz in the interview, which is set to air Monday night in Israel. But he added: “I want to believe they listened and took into consideration what I have to say.”
Gantz, who retired in February after 38 years of service, also revealed a dispute between the political leadership, which was moving toward a military strike, and the IDF, opposed to such a move.
Despite the disagreement, the army would implement such a strike if ordered to do so by the political leadership, Gantz affirmed.
Gantz’s period as chief of staff was a tumultuous one, as he found himself shepherding the IDF through the instabilities caused by the Arab uprisings, the rise and fall of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the cyclonic civil war in Syria, and the ever deteriorating security situation along Israel’s northern and southern borders.
But his legacy may be shaped by inaction against Iran’s nuclear program. The decision to strike was not his to make, but his opposition to a strike during this period, together with the reported opposition of several other security chiefs in recent years, may have helped prevent the political decision to carry it out.
Last year Gantz said that a resolution to the standoff over Iran’s nuclear program was “preferable without force, but if there’s no choice then it can [be done] with force.”
He said then that Israel “unequivocally” had the capacity to strike Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, and that “we’ll know how to act when needed.”
Like his predecessor Gabi Ashkenazi, though, Gantz did not believe that the midnight hour had arrived during his four-year term. He apparently disagreed with former defense minister Ehud Barak, who asserted in January that Israel’s capacity to act militarily against Iran’s nuclear program is “declining and in danger of eroding.”
Striking a rogue nuclear program belonging to a state with a powerful military that was openly at odds with the West for decades was difficult but doable, Barak seemed to be arguing; striking the infrastructure of a state that has been welcomed back into the family of nations, that has agreed to the demands of the United States and which is ostensibly in lockstep with the International Atomic Energy Agency is another matter entirely. It is a difference that the military echelons did not fully grasp, Barak has argued.
Gantz’s successor, Lt. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot is of a similar mind regarding Iran: the time for action, Eisenkot reportedly believes, has not yet come.
Mitch Ginsburg contributed to this report.
Israel really needs to get rid of that assclown in their upcoming election.
"Elvis:" is an idiot that used to make fun of people for using the Russian Gov't sourced RT...
RT has some great news coverage most of the time. Though their biases on the Ukraine issues are going to be obvious.
Best shows are the ones that have their own editorial control like Hartmann's Big Picture. And Abby Martin's "Breaking The Set", though she sadly ended that show at the end of February.
Mean dinosaur.jpg
Wood U axe UR "Dad" aff theer weer DINOsauRs oN Da ARrK//.
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That's obvious...
Tell us something we don't know...
I am a dumb fucking whore - but I'd rather be that than a stupid chump like you, kiddo!!
It's not a takeover...
It's the current Zionist puppet trying to rally the US people into ganging up on Iran, because Iran backs the Palestinian people against the Israeli occupation...
So do I, for that matter...
Even the filthy hippie chimes in:
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Democratic Underground is just as shitty as (Dis)InfoWars.
Uhh h uhu hu huhu huh uh uhuhuhuh...
Yeah, pretty much has been since the Koch-funded DLC took over the site. And once Hillary "officially" begins her coronation tour it will be absolutely intolerable. But they still have the occasional visual material that's worth a laugh.
I didn't laugh...
Senator who spearheaded letter to Iran got $1 million from Kristol’s ‘Emergency Committee for Israel’
US Politics
Philip Weiss on March 10, 2015
The U.S. media have been sadly incurious about the origins of yesterday’s unprecedented Open Letter of 47 Republicans to the Iranian leadership seeking to block the president’s likely deal with Iran. The press has portrayed the letter as the work of Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, a 37-year-old freshman senator so new to the limelight that the New York Times got his name wrong on first impression. But as a Times commenter writes, “Does anyone really believe the ‘freshman senator from Arkansas’ wrote the letter? No.”
The media are all over the unprecedented nature of the letter — which informs Iranian hardliners that Obama’s likely deal with Iran is a “mere executive agreement.” Chris Matthews and Chris Hayes and Michael Steele on MSNBC last night all expressed outrage or surprise. Paul Waldman at the Washington Post calls the letter “stunning” and “appalling.” But apart from a passing reference to neocons from Matthews, no one is looking under the hood.
I don’t know who wrote the letter, but I can tell you whose fingerprints are on it: the only folks who are supporting it publicly, the hard-right Israel lobby. Even as Cotton himself splutters on national television, rightwing lobby groups are the main voices out there defending the letter.
Like Bill Kristol of the Emergency Committee for Israel:
J Street’s Dylan Williams fingers Bill Kristol for writing the letter:Cotton open letter: “Just so you know, we’re a constitutional democracy. Congress (or next president) has a say.” Dem response: Hysteria.
There’s a reason for Williams’s suspicion. Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel gave Tom Cotton nearly $1 million in his race for the Senate just five months ago, Eli Clifton reported. “Cotton received $960,250 in supportive campaign advertising in the last month.” (Thanks to Kay24 in comments).Who gave @SenTomCotton & others the awful idea for the Iran letter? Seems like Sarah Palin-for-VP-level bad advice doesn’t it @BillKristol ?
Cotton also got $165,000 from Elliott Management Paul Singer’s hedge fund. Singer is the billionaire who is trying to stop Obama’s Iran talks (Clifton’s reporting again). He funds the Israel Project too– Josh Block’s efforts.
Josh Block has been standing up for the letter on Twitter. And the rightwing Israel Project offered support for the letter in an email last night:
Many analysts believe that without congressional approval, if a final deal with Iran is reached, it will not outlast President Barack Obama’s tenure as President of the United States. Without congressional involvement, the Obama administration would strike a deal with Iran through executive action which could signal to the Iranians that the “deal would be with the President alone,” writes Harvard Law School Professor Jack Goldsmith. He continues, “The bottom line, then, is that any deal struck by President Obama with Iran will probably appear to the Iranians to be, at best, short-term and tenuous. And so we can probably expect, at best, only a short-term and tenuous commitment from Iran in return.”
When it comes to the Iran negotiations, the Obama administration says that they only see a role for Congress when it comes to sanctions. If a final agreement is reached, they will eventually look to Congress for the lifting of sanctions. The White House said that Congress has had a role to play when it has drafted and passed the sanctions legislation that President Obama subsequently signed into law. The White House does not believe that an agreement with Iran over its nuclear program would require congressional approval.
The letter has gotten support from David Frum, the former Bush aide who wrote of taking on Saddam Hussein, “It’s victory or Holocaust.” On twitter:
The Republican Jewish Coalition, a pro-Israel group, has also supported the letter.“Time after time, Obama has told Congress to go to hell. Now Congress is telling Obama to go to hell.”
Josh Block used to work at AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and is sometimes thought to speak for AIPAC. AIPAC is staying silent, while pushing further sanctions on Iran.
But former AIPAC staffer MJ Rosenberg has explained why he believes AIPAC penned the letter. As he tweeted today:
Nothing happens on Capitol Hill related to Israel unless and until Howard Kohr (AIPAC chief) wants it to happen. Nothing.
What network is behind this letter? People have a right to know. The media should be sending reporters out to dig into these connections. Imagine if the Koch Brothers were pushing some initiative on states’ rights or abortion. Would the media be so incurious? No. The scandal of the Netanyahu speech and the efforts by Israel to derail US negotiations with Iran has surely exposed the workings of the Israel lobby to the eyes of the American public to an unprecedented degree. But the media have to do more.
They're ALL corrupt...
Including your precious Warren/Sanders team...
So no need to go there...
The political system in the US is completely broken. Democrats and Republicans are two cheeks on the same butt and that butt needs a good swift kick.
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Wrong.
SANDERS/WARREN 2016!!!
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