Have Faith, We’ll Have an Atheist President

[ELVIS]

There's a line to hold jesus' hand ??

[kwame k]

So, Jefferson was an unbeliever...

Big deal...

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -John Adams

[ELVIS]

I can post quotes as well...

"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." – Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover - 1815

[kwame k]

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"-John Adams

[ELVIS]

He just takes away the ability to buy ammo

No, that's an over reaching government...

[kwame k]

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." -John Adams

[ELVIS]

"I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world."

John Quincy Adams

[dazzlindino]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17, “[The Lord] will descend from heaven and those dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Afterward, we the living [at his Parousia] will be raptured in clouds at the same time together with them to meet the Lord in the atmospheric heavens. And thus we shall always be together hand in hand with the Lord.”

[DONNIEP]

"I can never tell if those guys are trying to convince each other or themselves." DONNIEP, 2017

[ELVIS]

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

John Quincy Adams

[kwame k]

"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson

[ELVIS]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17, “[The Lord] will descend from heaven and those dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Afterward, we the living [at his Parousia] will be raptured in clouds at the same time together with them to meet the Lord in the atmospheric heavens. And thus we shall always be together hand in hand with the Lord.”

That's total bull...

That's not Scripture...

[kwame k]

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

John Quincy Adams

Wasn't a Founder but the son of a Founder.........thanks for playing, though

[ELVIS]

The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Congress 1854

[ELVIS]

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

John Dickinson

[ELVIS]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

[kwame k]

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." -George Washington

[DONNIEP]

"God is gooder than hell!" Early Cuyler

[FORD]

Mental midgets, eh ??

Think what you want...

Perhaps not, for the times they lived in, where human kind had neither the knowledge, nor the tools necessary for gaining further knowledge, that we have now. The people of those times didn't believe the earth was flat out of stupidity, but rather because they had no reference point to prove it was round (just for one example)

[ELVIS]

It is very evident that both the prophets in the Old Testament and the apostles in the New are at great pains to give us a view of the glory and dignity of the person of Christ. With what magnificent titles is He adorned! What glorious attributes are ascribed to him!… All these conspire to teach us that He is truly and properly God – God over all, blessed forever!

John Witherspoon

[kwame k]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." Ben Franklin

[ELVIS]

The Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.

Daniel Webster

[FORD]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Ben on that point. But the key phrase there is "...as He left them to us". And the modern right wing church resembles Christ's teachings about as much as "How Do I Know When It's Cheese" resembles "Atomic Punk". It may be labeled as the same thing, but clearly not at all to anybody with enough brains to know the difference.

[FORD]

The Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.

Daniel Webster

Daniel Webster? Wasn't he famous for selling his soul to ----->

[kwame k]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;............

Thank Buddha, that the Founders were smart enough to protect us from zealots who'd want to force a Christian version of Sharia law upon us!

[DONNIEP]

Jesus has returned!

[FORD]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;............

Thank Buddha, that the Founders were smart enough to protect us from zealots who'd want to force a Christian version of Sharia law upon us!

And yet the inbred fucks in Indiana are doing exactly that. Not to mention the "shoot the Sodomites in the head" bill that a teabagger lawyer is trying to get on the California ballot. Not that it would ever pass there, of course. But just anybody writing such a thing is disturbing enough.

[ELVIS]

I can feel the love flowing from your heart...

[ELVIS]

Thank Buddha

My dogma eats your karma...

[Seshmeister]

Very timely book by a history professor.

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How 'One Nation' Didn't Become 'Under God' Until The '50s Religious Revival
MARCH 30, 2015 3:29 PM ET

One Nation Under God
How Corporate America Invented Christian America
by Kevin M. Kruse




The words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and the phrase "In God we trust" on the back of a dollar bill haven't been there as long as most Americans might think. Those references were inserted in the 1950s during the Eisenhower administration, the same decade that the National Prayer Breakfast was launched, according to writer Kevin Kruse. His new book is One Nation Under God.

In the original Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy made no mention of God, Kruse says. Bellamy was Christian socialist, a Baptist who believed in the separation of church and state.

"As this new religious revival is sweeping the country and taking on new political tones, the phrase 'one nation under God' seizes the national imagination," Kruse tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "It starts with a proposal by the Knights of Columbus, the Catholic lay organization, to add the phrase 'under God' to the Pledge of Allegiance. Their initial campaign doesn't go anywhere but once Eisenhower's own pastor endorses it ... it catches fire."

Kruse's book investigates how the idea of America as a Christian nation was promoted in the 1930s and '40s when industrialists and business lobbies, chafing against the government regulations of the New Deal, recruited and funded conservative clergy to preach faith, freedom and free enterprise. He says this conflation of Christianity and capitalism moved to center stage in the '50s under Eisenhower's watch.

"According to the conventional narrative, the Soviet Union discovered the bomb and the United States rediscovered God," Kruse says. "In order to push back against the atheistic communism of the Soviet Union, Americans re-embraced a religious identity. That plays a small role here, but ... there's actually a longer arc. That Cold War consensus actually helps to paper over a couple decades of internal political struggles in the United States. If you look at the architects of this language ... the state power that they're worried most about is not the Soviet regime in Moscow, but rather the New Deal and Fair Deal administrations in Washington, D.C."

[ELVIS]

Whatever dude...

That has nothing to do with nothing...

Just stay over there in Nannyville...

[Seshmeister]

I always wondered where the link between the right and Christianity in the US came from - this new American book argues the corporations bought a bunch of preachers.

It's interesting.

[ELVIS]

Good...

Keep reading it...

You can add it to your list of nothingness...

[lesfunk]

Muslims are killing, raping, burning, plundering, selling into Slavery Jews,Christans, Buddhists, atheists, homos, heteros,even other Muslims RIGHT NOW, TODAY as I type... yet Christianity is the problem?
Fucking retards

[DONNIEP]

Muslims are killing, raping, burning, plundering, selling into Slavery Jews,Christans, Buddhists, atheists, homos, heteros,even other Muslims RIGHT NOW, TODAY as I type... yet Christianity is the problem?
Fucking retards

And white people. Don't forget the white people.

[lesfunk]

They don't count. They're evil. They deserve to die

[ELVIS]

It's interesting.

I know an interesting book that you need...

Demonology and Deliverance by Lester Sumrall...

[Seshmeister]

I haven't played Dungeons and Dragons since I was 13.

[ELVIS]

Fucking retards

No truer words...

[dazzlindino]

Perhaps not, for the times they lived in, where human kind had neither the knowledge, nor the tools necessary for gaining further knowledge, that we have now. The people of those times didn't believe the earth was flat out of stupidity, but rather because they had no reference point to prove it was round (just for one example)

that's total b.s. ...just because one group decides to "make a government / religion" and try to force on others to follow doesn't make them high i.q. ...