Sanders 2016!!

[Kristy]

Another old white guy who claims to have a liberal bias, but like Obama (and Hilliary) has "Corporate" written all over him. Looks like he could not more out of touch with the American people. No question, armchair liberals like Ford will love him because, you know, he's not a woman.

[FORD]

Another old white guy who claims to have a liberal bias, but like Obama (and Hilliary) has "Corporate" written all over him. Looks like he could not more out of touch with the American people. No question, armchair liberals like Ford will love him because, you know, he's not a woman.

I have no problem voting for women. Hell, for several years, I had a female governor and 2 female senators, and I voted for all three of them more than once. Sadly none of the three were all that liberal (though not as right wing as Hillary, thank God) I would have voted for Jill Stein in 2012, if she hadn't entered the race after I was already in the Rocky Anderson camp. Still say they should have run on the same ticket.

And since Elizabeth Warren seems determined NOT to run against Hillary, maybe Bernie should choose Jill Stein as his running mate? I'm sure he would be on board with every bit of her "Green New Deal" platform.

[cadaverdog]

A Sanders/Dean ticket would work, but they're both from Vermont, so that would be illegal (much like it was when Chimp & Cheney, both Texas residents at the time, ran in 2000

It's not illegal. The 12th Amendment says that electors may not vote for a President from their state and a Vice President also from their state.
Therefore if running mates from the same state carried their home state, there could be a problem. The electors would probably vote for their presidential candidate and vote for some unknown for vice-president. This could cause the vice-presidential candidate to fail to get a majority.
Vermont has 3 electoral college votes.

[Kristy]

I have no problem voting for women. Hell, for several years, I had a female governor and 2 female senators, and I voted for all three of them more than once. Sadly none of the three were all that liberal (though not as right wing as Hillary, thank God) I would have voted for Jill Stein in 2012, if she hadn't entered the race after I was already in the Rocky Anderson camp. Still say they should have run on the same ticket.

And since Elizabeth Warren seems determined NOT to run against Hillary, maybe Bernie should choose Jill Stein as his running mate? I'm sure he would be on board with every bit of her "Green New Deal" platform.

I'm weary off all of them. Sanders may act like he has a pulse on America's social ills and can possibly run a good campaign much like Obama did. It'll be interesting to see what corporations back him and which ones he chooses. As for a female running mate, that would too obvious and may piss a lot of Hilliary supporters off.

Which may be a good thing.

[FORD]

The only corporation likely to back Bernie would be Ben & Jerry's. Corporations don't like him very much. Which IS a good thing.

[Kristy]

I've heard all the anti-corporate rhetoric before - Obama ran on it and now he is their biggest tool. I'm so cynical anymore when it comes to any political office in this country. The left and right can whine all they want while the oligarchs are the ones running things.

[Seshmeister]

Which makes it even more insane that the Republicans refuse to budge from their message, even after getting their asses kicked in the last two elections....

In fact, they've gone even more right-wing, alienating even more people....

Can you imagine a Supreme Court after a Republican wins the Presidency and 3 of them retire or kick off?

But they just refuse to budge.....

You would probably end up with religious police beating women for not going to church.

[FORD]

The left and right can whine all they want while the oligarchs are the ones running things.

And Bernie says the same thing.... every Friday on the Thom Hartmann show. Only downside of him announcing for President is that he probably won't be able to do the "Brunch With Bernie" thing anymore, or somebody will insist that Thom give an hour of airtime to Hillary, or even the Repuke candidates in the interests of "equal time".

[FORD]

You would probably end up with religious police beating women for not going to church.

Or daring to open their mouth while in church (which would be against Paul's writings in the Bible for women to cover their heads, sit down, and shut the fuck up - that's the FORD testament paraphrase, of course)

[Kristy]

Doesn't matter. Someone will back him. The campaign trail is not cheap. A US President is a figurehead anymore. Who will win in 2016? Walmart? Raytheon? GE?, Exxon, Encana...?

[DavidLeeNatra]

You would probably end up with religious police beating women for not going to church.

there are moments when I really miss Elvis...

c'mon sesh...nuff is nuff...bring the fucker back to life...

[Kristy]

c'mon sesh...nuff is nuff...bring the fucker back to life...

Like I said before, if you miss him that much why not go to his trailer park and suck his dick?

[DLR'sCock]

I'm down with Bernie. God it's been a long time since I posted here in the front line.

[FORD]

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders says he's running for president
Associated Press By DAVE GRAM
12 hours ago



MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — Promising to fight what he deems "obscene levels" of income disparity and a campaign finance system that is a "real disgrace," independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he will run for president as a Democrat.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Sanders confirmed his plans to formally join the race Thursday.

The self-described "democratic socialist" enters the race as a robust liberal alternative to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and he pledged to do more than simply raise progressive issues or nudge the former secretary of state to the left in a campaign in which she is heavily favored.

"People should not underestimate me," Sanders said. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."

As he has for months in prospective campaign stops in the early voting states, and throughout his political career, the former mayor of Burlington, Vermont, on Wednesday assailed an economic system that he said has devolved over the past 40 years and eradicated the nation's middle class.

"What we have seen is that while the average person is working longer hours for lower wages, we have seen a huge increase in income and wealth inequality, which is now reaching obscene levels," Sanders told the AP.

"This is a rigged economy, which works for the rich and the powerful, and is not working for ordinary Americans. ... You know, this country just does not belong to a handful of billionaires."

The son of an immigrant from Poland who sold paint for a living in Brooklyn, Sanders has for decades championed working-class Americans. He lost several statewide races in the 1970s before he was elected mayor of Burlington in 1981, and went on to represent Vermont in the U.S. House for 16 years before his election to the Senate in 2006.

An independent in the Senate, he caucuses with Democrats in Washington and he is likely to attract some interest from voters who have unsuccessfully sought to draft Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren to join the race.

But Sanders rejected the idea his appeal is limited to voters on the left, boldly predicting Wednesday that his message would appeal to both fellow independents and Republicans.

Sanders said he would release "very specific proposals" to raise taxes on wealthy Americans and corporations, as well as offer tuition-free education at all public colleges and universities. He touched on his past opposition to free-trade agreements, his support for heavier regulations of Wall Street and the nation's banking industry, and his vote against the Keystone XL oil pipeline as a preview of his campaign.

"So to me, the question is whose views come closer to representing the vast majority of working people in this country," Sanders said. "And you know what? I think my views do."

The 73-year-old Sanders starts his campaign as an undisputed underdog against Clinton. Sanders said he has known the former first lady, senator from New York and secretary of state for more than two decades. "I respect her and like her," he said.

He noted he has "never run a negative ad in my life," but still drew a distinction with Clinton in the interview, promising to talk "very strongly about the need not to get involved in perpetual warfare in the Middle East."

"I voted against the war in Iraq," he said. "Secretary Clinton voted for it when she was in the Senate."

Clinton is hosting a series of fundraisers this week, starting what could be an effort that raises more than $1 billion. Sanders said he will make money and politics a central theme of his campaign, including a call for a constitutional amendment to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision, which he blames for unleashing a torrent of money from wealthy donors into politics.

"What you're looking at here is a real disgrace," he said. "It is an undermining of American democracy.

"But can we raise the hundreds of millions of dollars that we need, primarily through small campaign contributions to run a strong campaign? And I have concluded that I think there is a real chance that we can do that."

Sanders is the first major challenger to enter the race against Clinton, who earlier this month became the first Democrat to formally declare her intention to run for president. He is likely to be joined in the coming months by former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb and ex-Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee.

[Kristy]

More talk.

Heard this rhetoric back in 2007 with Obama you know, how he was going to change shit from the banking system on down. Now he corporate drones innocents in Pakistan. Bernie is no different - a Jew with a stage name. That's all he is. And someone should show this fucker what a comb is.


We won't get fooled again right, Ford?