As I've said before, this is not the CVH live album you really want. I wouldn't be here if I weren't a DLR/CVH fan, but we all know there are better live representations of the band from 150 shows since Dave rejoined the band. This should have been a band decision, but it doesn't sound like one...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/edd...n-halen-album/
Last edited by blueturk; 04-28-2015 at 09:10 PM.
I'm telling you, Dave chose Japan because of his close-knit relationship with that country.Originally Posted by blueturk
How do you spell pretentious? S-A-M-M-Y H-A-G-A-R
If Eddie is fine with mistakes in an official live performance, then why the fuck hasn't he released the US Festival?
The entire band is making mistakes, and it's still one Hell of an entertaining show. And wasn't that the goddamned point?
Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
Justice Democrats
"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
Also.. Most likely VH sells more albums these days in Japan than the States.
You beat me to the punch. . line. Dave knows every attendee (times each venue in Japan)
will probably buy it guaranteeing at least gold status.
Dave living in Tokyo just happens to be a good excuse for him to rationalize it.
If Dave OR Van Halen gave a shit (like the old days) all they'd would have to do is hand-pick
from Baltimore 08' to make it CVH-worthy; and add to the ADKOT tunes.
Right, like those young partying motherfuckers would say, "Let's hand pick this LP and go through all this tape". These are the same guys which released a cover loaded "Dive Down" to satisfy a record company so they could tour... this is rock and roll, and the decisions and work in this spectrum has never been serious lol
I got lost in the...
Eh, when you make records that fleece your fans what's a mistake or two?
I don't know... I'm thinking it's like Jerry Lewis and the French. He found an audience that thinks his shit is over the top funny genius when his original fan base grew tired of it and it became dated and creepy to watch over and over...
"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”
Maybe fans over there aren't as ungrateful as the fans over here.
Jeezus FUCK! Fanboys are a fucking plague.
What's to be thankful about? If you feel thankful for taking it up the ass repeatedly, that's YOUR fucking problem.
Your kind does more harm than good. You lap up every dump that your idols take. If they can get away with releasing shit, why would they bother to up their game?
I know this may be a novel concept to you, but when you know that someone you like is capable of so much more, the right thing to do is PUSH that someone to do their best, not give them a cookie every time they refuse to do something.
No wonder your dad is ashamed of you. I bet every time he tries to make a man out of you, your mom steps in & coddles you back into a baby with milk & cookies.
Man up. Your idols fucked up. Repeatedly. Acknowledge that like any sane person would & tell them to go fuck themselves. We all know that won't do any good with this "band", but rimjobs should be reserved for sexual interactions only.
Cheers!
Respect is earned and it's a two way street, pal...
As Izzy pointed out... when you won't deliver what you're capable of because you don't care or you're more focused on your portable dance floor... gratitude goes out the door and it's an all uphill route to coming back. I'd be perfectly content and "grateful" if the Singer™ would just try to hit the melody in the same key and octave range that made the damn songs great to begin with...
Leave the spastic Al Jolson, Dancing with the Stars routine at home with the fucking dog...
You know what, first of all, I respect Dave for what he's doing now. You know why? Becuase he has never been one to conform to what anyone else deemed acceptable. He did his own thing and I'm happy he's still doing his own thing, the man is living life on his own terms and I really respect that.Jeezus FUCK! Fanboys are a fucking plague.
What's to be thankful about? If you feel thankful for taking it up the ass repeatedly, that's YOUR fucking problem.
Your kind does more harm than good. You lap up every dump that your idols take. If they can get away with releasing shit, why would they bother to up their game?
I know this may be a novel concept to you, but when you know that someone you like is capable of so much more, the right thing to do is PUSH that someone to do their best, not give them a cookie every time they refuse to do something.
No wonder your dad is ashamed of you. I bet every time he tries to make a man out of you, your mom steps in & coddles you back into a baby with milk & cookies.
Man up. Your idols fucked up. Repeatedly. Acknowledge that like any sane person would & tell them to go fuck themselves. We all know that won't do any good with this "band", but rimjobs should be reserved for sexual interactions only.
Cheers!
Secondly, when I talk about ungrateful VH fans, I'm talking about the kind who would go up to a teenage or a pre-teen Van Halen fan who is super excited to see them on this tour, possibly for the first time in their young lives, and say "Yeah? Well I saw the REAL Van Halen back in 1981, you ain't got shit!" Like it or not, Van Halen as Eddie, Alex and Wolfgang Van Halen + David Lee Roth is how VH exists in the 21st century, save for the ungodly 2004 Sammy Hagar reunion. This is the only version of Classic Van Halen that the young people of the world can see live in 2015. Therefore, fuck ANYONE who would try and make someone (who probably wasn't even born then) feel bad for not seeing the 1974-1984 lineup of VH. Rock n' Roll has always been a young man's game, the youth of America who still like classic rock deserve their chance to see their favorite bands, which is why I hate these ungrateful "please retire" fans.
My Dad actually agrees with me on this, he's seeing VH with me, in fact.
Last edited by fraroc; 04-30-2015 at 08:10 PM.
A fine retort.
While Imapus Sylicker seems to have anger management issues with the state of Van Halen today, I'm simply disappointed at what I've seen and heard so far. Be that as it may, I'm glad that you get to see 3/4 of the original lineup of quite possibly the greatest American band live in concert. For all the bashing, the fact is that it's not VH without Dave. Hell, my kids like Thin Lizzy (yeah that's what I said!) but they'll never get to see anything remotely resembling them live. Better for you to get to see this show than "Lynyrd Skynyrd" with maybe one remaining original member, "Queen' with whoever the hell sings for them now, or for that matter the current "Thin Lizzy" lineup. Have a fucking blast, kid!
Last edited by blueturk; 04-30-2015 at 11:43 PM.
Fraroc, this line of thinking is part of the problem. What has anyone got to be grateful for? Van Halen putting out an album and charging $15 for it? are you grateful to the store when you go to buy groceries? it is exactly the same thing
If you like it that is great, but it is ridiculous to call those that don't ungrateful.
I really love you baby, I love what you've got
Let's get together we can, Get hot
Boys and girls Roth is back in. Your dream has come true so beg, borrow, or steal the money to see Van Fuckin Halen this summer. Oh and go see Rush too. The drummer has fucked up wrists or some damn thing like that and he's not wanting to tour no more. Who gives a fuck. He runs and hides from the fans anyways but hey he's a good drummer and this is the last time to see him live even if he doesn't give a ratt's ass about you. Go see this shit because whoopie we's all going to die from global warming, civil unrest, bad farts, McDonald's, or GMO food.
Last edited by Nitro Express; 05-01-2015 at 04:33 AM.
No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
Yea! Fuck Grocery Stores....fuck even the name is some what nameless French. Dave's Bitch has a much better distribution system. Let's read your solution to this 4000 yr old system! Fuck...music paid for street musicians or bands...bah HUMBUG!
Me...for me own uneducated self...love Grocery Stores. Better than picking beans in Juan's Fields just to find my wife had not killed the Rabbit's necessary for the stew! I should say FUCK GROCERY STORES and FUCK PAYING MUSICIANS FOR THEIR MUSIC. But hey...I am uneducated about these systems.
Fear and the Three-Day Food Supply
One of the scary factoids in circulation these days is the revelation that grocery stores hold only a three- or four-day supply of food. People wield this statistic to argue that our food system is appallingly insecure and in grave danger of failure. We’re only a few days from starvation, goes the frightening story, and we’re liable one day to find our supermarket shelves empty and the populace in panic.
To accept this forecast uncritically, though, means ignoring how complex systems work. We can scare ourselves by selectively focusing on a small piece of a larger picture and behaving as if that tiny bit were the whole story. It’s a natural tendency: Any organism interested in surviving needs to focus on what’s going wrong much more than what’s going right. But in this case, believing the tale of empty shelves may distract us from more urgent problems.
Storing large amounts of grains and other foods in cities is an ancient strategy, and it hasn’t protected against famine. Many European cities and walled towns kept grain supplies designed to carry them through hard times, yet, according to historian Fernand Braudel, famine remained a regular visitor. Continent-wide, famines that killed 10% or more of the population struck Europe 13 times in the 16th century, 11 times in the 17th, and 16 times in the 18th century. Local famines were far more common, yet most towns had large granaries. With a little thought, we can see why storing food in public granaries isn’t an effective strategy. How much food would a city of 50,000 need to store to get through months of utter crop failure? The math is brutal: the town would be almost knee deep in grain. And, more urgently, during a food panic, how many pounds of grain being handed to you by the state would make you calm down? Five? Ten? That’s only a couple of day’s supply for a small family. During a food panic, I suspect the government would need to hand out 20 to 50 pounds of grain per family every few days to calm a frightened populace. And during a panic, even the largest food storages are emptied quickly. The enemy here is fear, not the food system. In my book, anyone shouting “Run to the stores and buy as much food as you can!” deserves a special place in hell.
Storing more than a few days supply of food within a city makes little sense for a number of reasons. It requires dedicated storage buildings in cities—where space is most expensive. We’d need security forces to protect the food, a bureaucracy to run the logistics, and all that food must be cycled in and out for freshness. Plus, imagine a half million or more hungry people all converging on central granaries expecting to be fed. The logistical problems are enormous: think FEMA or TSA, and you can see why it’s the wrong level to operate at. A much more sensible place for emergency food storage is at the household level. If you are worried about food shortages, get your own stash and store as much as makes you comfortable. In designing a solution to a problem, it’s critical to intervene at the proper level, and here, the household is a far more effective level than the state.
Another reason for not instituting centralized food warehouses is that food systems are based much more on flow than they are on storage, and they usually have been. Claiming that our strategy for food delivery is precarious is not thinking in terms of dynamic whole systems, in which flows are far greater than storage—though both are important. Imagine someone panicking because they suddenly realized that their yard’s soil only contains enough water for four days of plant growth. That may be true, but we know also that water is constantly flowing in—storage is only one bit of the picture. Moisture is being pulled upward through the soil, rain is likely before long, plus we have the water line from the street, household graywater, and all the other ways that the tiny bit of water on that land is being renewed continuously. Yes, it’s possible that all the water delivery systems could break down simultaneously, just as the whole food system could, but that entails large-scale network failures—the utterly perfect storm—that would likely send signals well in advance and affect much more than water or food.
If we don’t look at flows, and don’t think in terms of whole systems, we can make ourselves very scared about the complex systems surrounding us. I call this tendency “drawing the box too small.” If we draw a boundary at, say, the city limits of Chicago and measure how much food is available within it, we can get frightened at how little there is: a few days supply. But that’s not really Chicago’s whole food supply, is it? If we enlarge the boundary to, say, what can be delivered to the city within an hour’s drive, suddenly that food supply contains all the farms and gardens, warehouses, cold-storage units, processing plants, feedlots, ships anchored in Lake Michigan full of grain, distribution centers, rail depots, and other sources of food within a 50-mile radius. That’s a lot more than a four-day supply. Then, enlarge the box to a day’s drive and the food supply will last for weeks. And if we increase the box to include the entire nation or continent—which is still only a part of our food system—we now have an essentially infinite supply of food, renewed every growing season, since the US is still a net food producer.
What makes think that something as unnatural as city limits is the boundary of a city’s food supply? And what kind of catastrophe would limit a city to the food within it? Obviously, a local disaster such as a hurricane or earthquake could do this, but it also could destroy any food grown or stored there, or start a panic that depletes even the largest supply. (Or takes martial law to protect it and draconian rules to distribute it. I’d rather store my own.) Even Hurricane Katrina didn’t prevent food from reaching New Orleans before many people went hungry. Perhaps a rupture of the transportation system would do it. But what would cause this? Rapid destruction of large parts of the highway or rail system is unlikely except in war or national strike (and striking workers and their families need to eat, too). These networks are highly distributed and redundant: There are many routes to any city. A major and sudden fuel shortage might do it, but I suspect that we’d quickly see rationing and redistribution of fuel away from many non-food uses, since governments know that hungry people start revolts. And actual transportation of food only uses 4% of the total energy in the food system (Weber and Matthews, Env. Sci. Technology, 2008, 42: 3508), so a fuel shortage would have less effect on moving food into cities, and more on the production and processing of food, which is a slower process that would unwind over weeks and months, not days.
There’s a lot wrong with our food system, but its “just in time” nature is not one of the flaws. We need to ask why the idea of four days of food on grocery shelves scares us, and why it makes us believe we have a precarious food system. Cities have always drawn from the surrounding countryside for their food. Why is it hard to trust that the current food system will continue to deliver food into cities? I suspect that part of our fear is that the size and number of components of the food systems is so vast that we can’t easily grasp how it works or believe that something that complex can continue to function long. It’s like worrying that your circulatory system—with its billions of red blood cells, pulsing lung tissue, ornately branching veins and arteries, and complicated gas exchange network—will fail and you won’t be able to get oxygen into your blood. It makes me dizzy just to think about it. Fortunately, complex adaptive systems such as our bodies and our food supply continue to function without our conscious control; they are highly networked and on many levels.
The long-term storage for our food supply is on the land, widely distributed, where it belongs. The food system has many tiers, and the “food stored in cities” level is a minor component. The system encompasses many levels of intermediate food storage components such as farms, cooperative grain-storage towers, processing plants, warehouses, shipping in transit, and distribution centers, each holding or supplying a significant percentage of our food supply and operating over a timeframe of weeks and months. It is a system in which flow makes up more of the capacity than storage. With a perishable good such as food, that’s as it should be. Having more than a few day’s supply of food stored at the end of the chain, in cities, would be a misallocation of resources away from the sources that generate the food and direct its constant stream toward the user. It’s smart for residents to store emergency food in their home, in whatever quantity makes them feel safe. But an expensive revamping of our food system to build collective infrastructure for urban food storage makes little sense when flow is the key element of any food system.
Our food system has many flaws. We need more locally grown food. The current system is far too dependent on fossil fuels, is concentrated in too few seed varieties and a handful of corporations, is subsidized toward unhealthy and unwise products, and wastes prodigious quantities of water and nutrients. But an absence of giant state-run granaries is not one of its failings. In a complex system, flows are at least as important as storages, and is the appropriate place to focus. A secure food system stems far more from the flow of food and the existence of many levels of nearby and faraway storages than from the amount of food on grocery shelves. To claim that our just-in-time system is precarious is drawing the box far too small, and ignores the flow-based nature of the complex, constantly readjusting systems that we depend on.
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Last edited by SunisinuS; 05-01-2015 at 05:34 AM. Reason: *I like Grocery Stores. Better than begging for food from these fucks.
Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.
God shoot me. Some of you are thinking way too hard and taking this too seriously. More serious than =VH= ever wanted.
I think it's an issue of semantics. Now seeing who he is describing, I'd say ungrateful is the wrong word. But I know where he's coming from.
In the grand scheme of things, the band is not moving forward in the manner in which many would like, but that has always been the case. Conditioning yourself to being disappointed and taking what they give isn't a new thing. It's been that way since the wheels came off in '84. With Van Halen, you're choice is to cherry pick what you like most about them and take the rest for what it is. Or tell'em to fuck off. The choice is ours. Personally and quite sadly, my interest in the future of this band is fading fast. Not thrilled to say that, but I am glad that people are still able to enjoy them.
I thought you were talking about VH, not Dave?
What do you mean, Dave never conformed to what anyone else deemed acceptable? After Your Filthy Little Mouth Dave has done nothing but conform.
But let me state this very clearly - I would buy a new Dave solo album in a heartbeat. You know why? Because I don't expect much from Dave at this point.
The thing with VH, though, is an entirely different matter. They have enough material throughout the decades to put out something that's actually GOOD. Instead, they release a half-assed live album & fanboys like you shower them with praise, like they deserve to be worshipped just for farting.
Let me state this even more clearly - fanboys are more responsible for their idols falling from grace than the naysayers. Again, with VH one or the other doesn't matter one bit, & the reason I went after you like I did was simply for your retarded fanboyness, which is why I hardly mentioned VH or Dave in my post.
I am SICK of having fanboys ruining things I like by lapping up every dump, allowing their gods to release broken, half-finished messes & rewarding the for it.
It's OUR money - do yourself & everyone a favour & DEMAND THE FUCKING BEST.
Cheers!
Nah, I don't give a flying fuck about VH. My frothing rant was all about the fanboyism in Fraroc's post. THAT is what pisses me off.
In other words, it was a matter of principle. He could be talking about Kiss, Spongebob or Pamela Anderson, it doesn't matter one bit. Fanboys are a cancer.
THEY PISS ME OFF! AND WHEN I GET PISSED OFF, I GET SAD! BECAUSE I AM NOT LAUGHING!
Cheers!
Something very bad happened to you at one point in your life & you ended up like this.
I'm sorry.
Cheers!
Bad farts are lethal. A friend of mine told me the story of how, when he farted one morning under the sheets, he had to lay so very, very still. When his wife woke up, first he told her not to move. Then he instructed her to veeeeeery carefully, gently slide out from under the sheets & open all the windows.
I heard other stories about his farts. I believed this one.
Cheers!
The whole album is on YouTube, video of the show it was from is on YouTube. How many people have just stole it on a torrent?
No one is getting fleeced.
As much as I agree with your points too, (ultimumately, everyone's right to an extent) I've spent the bulk of my life demanding the best and I'm telling ya, it's just not in them, especially now. Their legacy through our eyes is of no concern to them. I'm including Dave in this. It's just not important to them. They have never been particularly fan friendly. Now, the friendliness comes in the form of an Instagram video filmed by the son of a guy who could take or leave all of this.
Demanding is a waste of time and energy. It's either hope for the best or look for enjoyment elsewhere.
Will you... goddammit! FUCK!
This is NOT about Van fucking Halen! This is about the rampant problem of fanboyism. I'm NOT talking about Van Halen - I don't give a flying fuck about them.
But I do agree with you about Dave. That's why I said I'd buy a new solo album no questions asked. At this point, I don't expect anything out of the guy, so whatever comes along, it's a bonus.
But ALL MY RANTS in this thread were triggered by Fraroc's fanboyism & THAT is what I'm talkin' about, my nigga.
FUCK Van Halen & the pint-sized dog they rode in on.
Cheers!
Understood.
Surely it's ok to have a few fans on a forum dedicated to the guy?Will you... goddammit! FUCK!
This is NOT about Van fucking Halen! This is about the rampant problem of fanboyism. I'm NOT talking about Van Halen - I don't give a flying fuck about them.
But I do agree with you about Dave. That's why I said I'd buy a new solo album no questions asked. At this point, I don't expect anything out of the guy, so whatever comes along, it's a bonus.
But ALL MY RANTS in this thread were triggered by Fraroc's fanboyism & THAT is what I'm talkin' about, my nigga.
FUCK Van Halen & the pint-sized dog they rode in on.
Cheers!
Thank you. And I apologise for my sparse usage of what some people might perceive as strong language.Understood.
But this is a topic I'm somewhat passionate about. I do hope you'll forgive my indiscretions.
Cheers!
AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! !!!
I feel like motherfuckin' Charlie Brown with each & every one of you fuckers playing Lucy.
My rants are NOT about Van Halen. They're certainly not about Dave, because what triggered my amazingly stupid rage was a demonstration of fanboyism about Van Halen. NOT Dave. That jittery, spastic motherfucker has absolutely nothing to do with my embarrassing lack of self-control.
Ok, let's all calm down & by all I mean me & start over.
Primo, fanboy=/=fan. For all you retarded motherfuckers out there, that means they are NOT the same. All fanboys are fans, but not all fans are fanboys.
Secundo, although what caused me to go on a rampage was fanboyism about Van Halen, Van Halen is NOT what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fanboyism itself.
Terzio, at this point you assholes have got to be winding me up on purpose & I keep biting. Fuck my life.
Cheers!
In today's social norms... I suppose inclusion and tolerance is required for all aspects of life.
Next thing you know... we'll have to let boys who think they're girls into the Ladies restroom...
Tolerance only goes so far.
Unless they're sporting a pair of tits, they have no business in the ladies restroom.
Though I don't doubt for a second that lots of men would have breast-enhancements just so they could look at women peeing.
Ah, it's a fucked up world... it's always been a fucked up world. Only difference is, a few years ago, it was all secretly fucked up, behind closed doors. Now it's out in the open, like a rotting cargo of fish dumped in the middle of the street.
Cheers!
Why don't you fags take your LGBT conversations to a thread dedicated to that. If there isn't one, feel free to create one, in the proper forum.
What, so some asshole can derail the thread & start talking about Eddie's opinions on his live album?
Fuck that.
Cheers!
Last edited by Anonymous; 05-01-2015 at 10:03 AM. Reason: Replaced "someone" with "some asshole". It's more appropriate. Also, boobs.
Did voziilla try and pull the mod thing. Wow
fuck your fucking framing
Ah, it's probably that time of the month. Don't worry about it.Did voziilla try and pull the mod thing. Wow
Cheers!
I don't like it its scary , I like when he posts tranny pics and tells us about when Dave was at his house for supper and crumpets.Ah, it's probably that time of the month. Don't worry about it.
Cheers!
Shhhh, it's ok. Von is just going through a hard time, he still loves us. He'll get better & then he'll take us to ride in his buggy & buy us all ice cream, you'll see!
Cheers!
Good thing this isn't one of Malibu Kristy's threads!
Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.
Don't let it stop you from renaming it, though.
Cheers!
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