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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post


    Skip to 4:45 for some Ed vocals. He does ok. Again, not saying he's a great singer, but I actually like his grisly Tom Waits voice. I'd buy a solo CD with him singing before I'd get anything with Hags on it.
    You are nuts and have vinegary Bawllz. Ed sucks harder than my Dyson on this track.
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    I couldnt listen I hate chezrone
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    I couldnt listen I hate chezrone
    But thays Ed's brother!! He looks more like Ed than Al, according to Big Gay Ed!

    Really, you fags make it too easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post

    Holy shit! I've never heard that before. I had no idea. So many comments come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    Holy shit again! Who is this band?

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    Is the whole album like that?

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    Dave can't sing. Ed can't sing. I guess Mike just carried this band huh? (too bad I couldn't stand the howler monkey's high pitched squeal myself)

    I've never heard anyone criticize Ed's vocals before, so the fact that there is an actual debate about it is pretty fucking funny. Backing vocals are just that and Ed did a fine job balancing out Mike's nuts-in-a-vice screeching.

    Point is...Ed being a front man is a ludicrous idea and that has nothing to do with his vocal ability.

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    Who ever bought a Van Halen ticket or album to hear Eddie Van Halen sing? Ha! ha! Dave never could sing. He couldn't remember the words half the time. Didn't matter. VH was a party band and yup, Mike laid the foundation with Al musically and Mike help the vocals down as well. Michael Anthony was the under rated member of VH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    But she retwatted a twit so that has to make it so.
    She didn't retweet, she just responded to his comment. That only earns a 1/2 chub.

    Why so cynical and cunty about everything? Your life suck that bad? Are you the next Elvis?

    Spend some time with your daughter. Get some pussy. Maybe get a new job that makes you happy. Life can be good if you try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Who ever bought a Van Halen ticket or album to hear Eddie Van Halen sing? Ha! ha! Dave never could sing. He couldn't remember the words half the time. Didn't matter. VH was a party band and yup, Mike laid the foundation with Al musically and Mike help the vocals down as well. Michael Anthony was the under rated member of VH.
    In order for someone to be underrated they have to be 'rated' in the first place.

    I don't remember a big concensus saying Ed can't sing. Or even a little one for that matter. When you talk about Ed, his singing ability has never been a topic.

    And Ed's the only one that has ever underrated Mike and look how that went over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    The signing was cool, very nice to meet Greg, Pete's Bro & the Mrs, Vain, Lou and Katina. Meeting Ted Templeman was beyond awesome too. Bantonelli introduced me to Terry Gilgore, something she's been threatening to do for years. Good times.
    THE Lou?

    My copy of the book should be arriving today...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post


    Skip to 4:45 for some Ed vocals. He does ok. Again, not saying he's a great singer, but I actually like his grisly Tom Waits voice. I'd buy a solo CD with him singing before I'd get anything with Hags on it.
    Holy fuuuuuuck , I crumbled it's shocking . For a tone chaser it sounds like ed is strumming a slack fanny !
    The song is horrible just horrible. The singing is "bag of cats" from both of them.

    Ed wants to phone Dave now and thank him a million times for saving him from himself.

    Words are not enough , you need more than words to explain how bad that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    I couldnt listen I hate chezrone
    To be fair there is a pretty shit hot tuba solo on that track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    Me too. But it proves my point that Ed doesn't have an "underrated" voice. At best he's a decent backing vocal singer. Or was. Now he's just a bitter old cunt with a recently unfattified ex wife that can't seem to get her kid to jump on the cheap TV-lose-weight-bandwagon.

    But she retwatted a twit so that has to make it so.

    OK, let's back up a second...

    My opinion (that's what it is, just like yours is an opinion) that Ed's singing voice is underrated was specifically based on Greg's statement in the Salon interview that "EVH was not much of a singer"....

    It was THAT that I replied to Val that I 'somewhat disagreed' with, along with other comments about EVH's voice in the past, hence me saying that IMO his voice was underrated.... That is, underrated based on a comment like "EVH was not much of a singer"....

    And it was THAT that Val replied back to me with the "yup!" (not a Retweet, you Twitter amateur), meaning that she concurred with that...

    In fact, I completely agree with your "decent backing vocal singer" opinion... I just don't think his voice, especially in the early years, was that bad at all...

    And lastly, I have to correct NG, that was full chub material coming from Val....
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    Bottom line, Van Halen wouldn't be Van Halen, if Ed had cuntinued as lead singer. FACT!!

    Val is probably pissed Greg didn't mention her name one fucking time in his book! Not that he should have, she wasn't a part of it back then. Fucking Yoko Bertinelli.

    As far as the vocals being piped in on the '07 tour, I was told that first hand. However, Wolf was fucking 16 years old. He went from 5150, to the big stage. Also, his voice wasn't fully developed at that time. I think he and Ed did a phenomenal job with the background vocals on this tour.

    Why are we talking about how great of a singer Ed is, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post

    Why are we talking about how great of a singer Ed is, anyway?
    See posts 249 to 251.

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    Ed as lead vocalist? No thanks. Ed as the only background vocalist? Uh, no. Ed as a secondary background guy/counter balance to the high end stuff? Ok, that works for me. In that role, Ed has always been fine, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Bottom line, Van Halen wouldn't be Van Halen, if Ed had cuntinued as lead singer. FACT!!

    Val is probably pissed Greg didn't mention her name one fucking time in his book! Not that he should have, she wasn't a part of it back then. Fucking Yoko Bertinelli.

    As far as the vocals being piped in on the '07 tour, I was told that first hand. However, Wolf was fucking 16 years old. He went from 5150, to the big stage. Also, his voice wasn't fully developed at that time. I think he and Ed did a phenomenal job with the background vocals on this tour.

    Why are we talking about how great of a singer Ed is, anyway?


    Sigh... I'm not talking about Ed as a lead singer, nor did I ever mention Ed as the only backup singer, nor did I ever say that Ed was a GREAT singer....

    I merely said his singing, particularly in the early days, was underrated, meaning it was not as bad as some have portrayed it to be....

    Read my previous post as to why I brought this up....

    In addition, I'd bet she doesn't agree with Greg's statement concerning Mike, based on this....

    @c1vpmerch @Salon @TheWeeklings I love Michael. He's a good guy that did his best in a challenging situation...— Valerie Bertinelli (@Wolfiesmom) October 12, 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    Ed as lead vocalist? No thanks. Ed as the only background vocalist? Uh, no. Ed as a secondary background guy/counter balance to the high end stuff? Ok, that works for me. In that role, Ed has always been fine, imo.
    Yep. That's about it. I posted that wonderful VH 3 clip as an example of what his voice sounded like apart from a mix with Mike. At the end of the day, it is a mediocre voice at best, and now, it's just grisly old man howling. But back when it counted, I thought he did a great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    But back when it counted, I thought he did a great job.
    So you're saying ed has a great voice

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    Quote Originally Posted by katina View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    No one on this site should complain about SQUAT EVER AGAIN! KUDOS to KATINA!
    Why not? She should have just stayed here, instead of going back to that shithole!

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    Yep. She missed her chance, but Trump would send her packing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONNIEP View Post
    But she retwatted a twit so that has to make it so.
    That was a wasted twit. I'd have asked her for a few pair of her used panties. One for me and a couple pair for the first annual Val's panties auction to help rebuild Cadaverdog's bank account and credit rating. I'm sure she'd be willing to help out a worthy cause like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why not? She should have just stayed here, instead of going back to that shithole!
    Does sound like a pretty fucked up place but I'm sure it has it's good points too. I'll bet they get plenty of sunshine there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Bottom line, Van Halen wouldn't be Van Halen, if Ed had cuntinued as lead singer. FACT!!

    Val is probably pissed Greg didn't mention her name one fucking time in his book! Not that he should have, she wasn't a part of it back then. Fucking Yoko Bertinelli.

    As far as the vocals being piped in on the '07 tour, I was told that first hand. However, Wolf was fucking 16 years old. He went from 5150, to the big stage. Also, his voice wasn't fully developed at that time. I think he and Ed did a phenomenal job with the background vocals on this tour.

    Why are we talking about how great of a singer Ed is, anyway?
    got to page 189 and couldn't stop gigglin' and thinkin' about you
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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    Yep. She missed her chance, but Trump would send her packing.
    Only if she tried to stay here without going through the correct legal channels. Trump's not anti immigrant, he's anti illegal immigrant. All though he probably employs thousands of them as dishwashers and maids in his hotels and casinos. If someone really wanted to discredit Trump they'd check into that. I hope Ford doesn't see this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    OK, let's back up a second...

    My opinion (that's what it is, just like yours is an opinion) that Ed's singing voice is underrated was specifically based on Greg's statement in the Salon interview that "EVH was not much of a singer"....

    It was THAT that I replied to Val that I 'somewhat disagreed' with, along with other comments about EVH's voice in the past, hence me saying that IMO his voice was underrated.... That is, underrated based on a comment like "EVH was not much of a singer"....

    And it was THAT that Val replied back to me with the "yup!" (not a Retweet, you Twitter amateur), meaning that she concurred with that...

    In fact, I completely agree with your "decent backing vocal singer" opinion... I just don't think his voice, especially in the early years, was that bad at all...

    And lastly, I have to correct NG, that was full chub material coming from Val....
    Twitter amateur?? Well, you are right about that. I have no clue how it works. I see all these random comments that are directed at someone and it's all just too confusing. I do like the pictures though.

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    "Van Halen Rising" Documents The Band's Decadent Early Years

    A new book reveals Van Halen was originally named Genesis, David Lee Roth once out-partied Ozzy Osbourne, and other strange tales.

    ENTERTAINMENTOctober 12, 2015 By CHRIS WILSON

    I've got it bad, got it bad, got it bad for vintage Van Halen. Sure, they're technically still around — an aging version of the party rock gods recently played the last show of their U.S. tour at the Hollywood Bowl — but old-school Van Halen remains the peak period of their bombastic glory. Back when Roth still possessed all his hair, "no brown M&Ms" had yet to be written into the tour rider, and "Runnin' with the Devil" was cranked to 11 inside Camaros and keg parties alike.

    Years before the band found MTV mega-stardom with "Jump" and "Hot For Teacher", they were undeniably on their way to world domination. A new book out this week, Van Halen Rising: How a Southern California Backyard Party Band Saved Heavy Metal, traces their dizzying ascent from Pasadena cover band to 1978's multi-platinum debut. Here are five revelations from Van Halen Rising author Greg Renoff:

    1. Van Halen was originally named Genesis

    Eddie and Alex Van Halen's first cover band was actually called Genesis—which they didn't realize was already the name of the British prog-rock group that brought us Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins. "In late 1971, Eddie and Alex were in a record store in Pasadena. Eddie was thumbing through LPs and saw the Nursery Cryme album by Genesis," says Renoff. "He pulled it out and laughed and said, 'Hey, we've got a record out, Alex.' They really didn't know there was a band called Genesis." The brothers then changed their band's name to Mammoth before eventually settling on Van Halen.

    2. David Lee Roth was almost replaced by Sammy Hagar in 1977

    Hagar fronted the band during the controversial "Van Hagar" period after Roth left to pursue a solo career in 1985. But the tequila-loving "Why Can't This Be Love?" belter nearly nabbed the lead singer's slot eight years before that.Van Halen producer Ted Templeman got them signed to Warner Bros. mostly because he loved Eddie's guitar playing. Roth's vocals? Not so much. After hearing Roth sing on the band's demos, he nearly replaced him with Hagar, who had just left the band Montrose. But Roth stayed put, namely because he worked so hard to improve his voice in 1977.

    3. Ozzy Osbourne was reported missing after an epic coke binge with David Lee Roth

    After Van Halen opened for Black Sabbath in Birmingham, Alabama in 1976, Roth and Ozzy “snorted enough cocaine to stop the hearts of a half-dozen men.” The next day, they staggered to their respective tour buses bound for Nashville. Ozzy, who had been up for days, stumbled into the hotel and walked into the wrong room, which was being cleaned. He yelled at the housekeeper to leave, locked the door and passed out for 24 hours. Black Sabbath's panicked management couldn't find him and canceled the Nashville show, and police even considered the possibility that he had been kidnapped. But just before the bus left, a bleary Ozzy wandered into the hotel lobby. "Guys were literally yelling, 'Ozzy's alive!' Renoff reports. That's probably not the first or last time anyone said that, but still...

    4. There was a bitter"fashion clash" between Roth and the Van Halen brothers

    Before Roth teamed up with Eddie and Alex in 1973, the brothers wore flannel shirts, jeans and desert boots when they played live. The considerably glammier Roth wore gold lame' platform shoes, hip-hugger pants and loudly-colored, open shirts. "The brothers didn't like his look," Renoff says."Roth went to a heavily integrated, black and Latino high school, so he was dressing like someone from Super Fly or Shaft. It was a real fashion clash." Little did the Van Halen brothers know that the freewheeling Roth would go on to regularly wear assless chaps onstage in the '80s.

    5. Journey singer Steve Perry once stopped them from destroying a Sheraton hotel

    While opening for Journey in 1978, Van Halen decided to destroy the entire 7th floor of a Sheraton in Madison, Wisconsin. They smashed lamps and mirrors, ripped bathroom doors off the hinges, had fire extinguisher fights and threw TVs, furniture, toilet seats and rotary phones out the window. Alex Van Halen was the worst culprit, but settled down after Perry stopped him and warned, "You know you're going to have to pay for that stuff." Nerd alert! The band later blamed the damage on Journey and thanked "Sheraton Hotel (seventh floor) Madison, Wisconsin" in the liner notes for Van Halen II.

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    You mean re derailed. Derailing doesn't bother me because that's what happens in normal conversations. subjects get changed along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katina View Post
    Thank you very much, I had a great time in Pasadena, going there and back by taxi was one the funniest moments of this trip. I can say that we have one more VH fan. Being at Dave's hometown for the VH Rising book release was a moment that I will never forget. Tomorrow I have a long flight home, I am glad I have VH Rising with me and plenty of time to read it at the plane.
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    Mark Stone playing ATBL with Fan Halen....



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    that was so much fun!

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    May as well keep the Mark Stone tribute going. He was a solid player...


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    Did anyone else catch Ed's comment when the dude stuck the pick in his right ear? I think Ed was insinuating the guy was a homo.

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    This is awesome. Van Halen Rising has hit #1 on Amazon's Heavy Metal Musician Bio Category! Thanks all! pic.twitter.com/VsIDfxTl7m— Van Halen Rising (@GregRenoff) October 5, 2015

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    Looking forward to getting my copy. Isn't Christmas soon?
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    Finally finished the book. Outstanding.

    One thing I've seen a lot of people bicker over on FB is the book's sub-title. Greg nails the reason behind it both early on and in the afterword. It truly is fitting.

    The last sentence of the book is a thing of beauty. Looking forward to the Q & A!

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