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  • The departure of Sarge

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  • Sesh & Elvis

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  • Better homoerotic tribute website(s)

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  • The F A T failed musician (you know who you are)

    4 20.00%
  • The departure of BigBadBrian

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  • Kristy

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  • Warf

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  • Those who moved out of their parent's basements and found jobs

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  • The VH 2012 reunion

    3 15.00%
  • Von

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    I am really glad I missed most of that chapter a few years ago. I do know one the posters no longer here in the real world, Envy, and she is actually a nice person, I missed how she pissed off so many here and guess that is for the better.

    For the record Kristy actually did say something positive a few years back about me so she does sometimes. Granted this year she gives me shit for my job in cannabis, being rich, hating the homeless, killing puppies, punching babies etc... for the most part it just comes off as silly do to the actual real world truths of my journey.
    That being said she is like many here in that she is passionate, more intelligent than most typical posters, abrasive, and hates to lose of feel like someone got the best of her. That applies to probably almost all here in varying degrees and combinations.
    Try to keep that in mind when sorting past crimes and who did what. You are here still trying to make a point for a reason.

    As bad as crap may get at times here you will still likely have a more intelligent albeit foul mouthed dialogue here than you will at most places. Folks here are smart enough, competitive enough and free enough to be complete dicks and cross lines at times. It is part of the charm and headache of this place and can not be removed from its DNA.

    And no offense Kristy if you are a guy and I keep saying she, I really have no idea and assumed but I see others saying he so no deliberate shot.

    Anyway hope the tour starts soon before we degrade to more dick pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Moderators couldn't ban anyone.

    Go back to where you were banned and you'll find you broke one of the rules.
    Untrue, -The Kristy- was banned because she is one of the few posters here who isn't involved in the homo blowfest in the mod forum "mod room".

    Some row their own boat others cling/suckle to the ones who have authority in a attempted hero worship bachstage pass to the show. they are generally know as ,yes men..

    That is related to the way the, main cunt mods here would separate themselves from -The RA- members by visualizing themselves as "elitist'ly different" and who's opinions were of a more important class.

    There was also a hidden forum not easily accessible by members... were posts and threads were moved to thus perpetuating the "myth " that they never deleted posts..they were still here just inaccessible by non-mods.. removed from the forums they were written into.

    Frequently also the mods would delete or move a thread that was perhaps of interest to a singular mod and this mod would then write and link to press content... essentially establishing the same topic and/or content but presented as if originated by that mod.

    I can understand the neediness of that mod the super ego esteem issues he must face in his life long quest for respect.

    From his basement.

    Learn to love, The Kristy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    It does not matter why.

    Sesh took over, granted amnesty to the trolls, Roth Army went to shit. Why he did it, only he knows.
    Being what you would describe as a troll was never bannable.

    I also took time to explain why I did it.

    I realize I'm up there as a scapegoat and always knew I would be but the people I granted amnesty to had all been banned in the couple of months previous to me taking over which is pretty short term in the history of a site going back 16 years. A couple of people I let back in ended up being banned again but the rest have all stuck to a stricter version of the original rules.
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    And BTW when I said earlier about it all being there for everyone to see and false memories, thanks for completely fucking illustrating my point!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    Wait a minute....you can't mean Garfuckle or Katydid can come back?

    Congrats by the way! Everything else makes sense to me that was laid out in your acceptance speech.

    And as a side note GAR and Katydid were not unbanned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    I don't even know what you are laughing at lol
    Don't worry.... neither does he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Hey Pete's, what is that thing behind the Green Bay logo on your avatar? The image is small and hard to make out.
    nudger shadow... allegedly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Because you know too fucking well that it's YOU, and a handful of others like YOU, that have ruined this place....
    Please name names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Why do you even come here if you don't like anything that's written here, or anyone that posts here?
    Sounds a little like someone who recently popped in, thread-stalked another poster, then proclaimed how they don't come her because they could care less about the site, DLR, and "all my friends I want to talk with I do so on Facebook" (to paraphrase). Where's the scolding for him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    All you do is troll from thread to thread, making dumbass, childish and immature remarks.... Why would anyone want to start a conversation knowing that most likely it would be ambushed by people like YOU and some others, each and every thread.....
    Now this definitely sounds like one of your friends.

    I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just think for a second how each of those things can be applied to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VetteLS5 View Post
    Please name names.



    Sounds a little like someone who recently popped in, thread-stalked another poster, then proclaimed how they don't come her because they could care less about the site, DLR, and "all my friends I want to talk with I do so on Facebook" (to paraphrase). Where's the scolding for him?



    Now this definitely sounds like one of your friends.

    I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just think for a second how each of those things can be applied to another.
    Good Post.

    Facebook style social media as it is called, is for family oriented discussion a softer more gentile approach to communication without direct contact either thru phone or a knock at your actual door.

    Contact of the third kind.

    The RA and sites like this are more like a bar or tavern not suitable for the cleanliness of suburban America.

    The RA is not social media.

    I don't even know how a person could "Hang out with .."all my friends"..etc...on facebook its design alone prohibits free discussion..and appears to be somewhat like a play date for supposed adults...it is nice for stalking your high school chums and sweethearts I guess....(not that I know anything about that) but isn't that exactly what it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    With a sock over it, so your foot wouldn't turn gay, of course.
    My foot would already have a sock on it until I removed it from the boot. Safe sox for the feet too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VetteLS5 View Post
    Please name names.



    Sounds a little like someone who recently popped in, thread-stalked another poster, then proclaimed how they don't come her because they could care less about the site, DLR, and "all my friends I want to talk with I do so on Facebook" (to paraphrase). Where's the scolding for him?



    Now this definitely sounds like one of your friends.

    I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just think for a second how each of those things can be applied to another.
    You want the truth?
    YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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    There is some comic gold dust in here , sesh is winning with his decision to place himself in the Alan Turing role in this fucked up version of history.

    Carry on
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    You posted a pop gear of Lounge from that idiotic goat fucker site you joined thinking it would bring the Army down, how did that work out by the way?
    Made me giggle.

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    After reading 6 pages of this nonsense I am starting to think I should have NEVER built this web site!
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    Any professional wrestling fans in the house? There must be. The Roth Army isn't dead. It turned into a soap opera. At least that's what this thread is. If this is a business and it's losing money revamp or pull the plug. If it isn't who gives a fuck? The war is over nobody won or lost because there was nothing to win or lose. Less people talk shit here now. Is that really a problem? Is there a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    No, you fucking idiot. I'm not blaming him solely for letting so much shit fester around here. Problem with this site was an abundance of too many moderators while the "webmasters" allowed them too much free reign. The result was disastrous.....
    Um, "disastrous" sunshine? Fucking really? Never stopped you from lurking here all day...
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    That's it! This site is dead and disaster-ridden!! I'm taking my 43,303 posts and going home!!

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    I'm back. How's everyone been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    Really? Have you actually read your posts? "idiot, hipster, weed, moron, cretin, colorado, peyton manning".
    Don't forget her being a Kirsten!!


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    I am probably as responsible as anyone for the destruction of this website.
    I take full responsibility for that.
    From 1999-2004 this website was hugely popular.
    I remember logging in here everyday and there being thousands of new posts.
    I had several big events in my life (marriage, 2 deployments, surgery, living in Europe) , and basically the website stagnated for years. We had horrible hosting issues and webmasters that deleted 1/3 of the posts here. The website wasn't updated, broken links.
    It was nuts.
    Also, Roth is no longer the underdog. He is back with Van Halen. That was much of the allure of this website.
    I viewed this place as a pirate ship filled full of badasses. Pojo - Brounsound - Conmee- Va Beach.
    We were the team for years here.
    Facebook... etc are partially to blame..
    I should have gave the website to Sesh earlier.
    Anyways, for those who were never around, when I was around : Hello!
    I seem to be some sort of mythical creature here.
    This used to be my hobby. It was something I believed in. I thought (still do), that DLR was severely wronged by the VH brothers in the years that passed since his departure of the band.
    Luckily, we have a chance to see them this summer again.

    Send me an email if anyone comes to the DC area and wants to see them in concert.

    Breasts,
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    After reading 6 pages of this nonsense I am starting to think I should have NEVER built this web site!
    You forget my friend, we built this city on rock and roll...oh, wait a minute, that was San Francisco...OK, fuck me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Also, Roth is no longer the underdog. He is back with Van Halen. That was much of the allure of this website.
    There are a number of reasons for the decline but ironically I agree this was a big part. For years this was the anti Van Hagar site, when that disappeared then people turned on each other. We went from having Roth solo, Van Hagar and Van Halen to talk about to just an inactive Van Halen.

    A few years ago Von and I would have been working and funding a major revamp of the site but these days it's enough getting the time and justification to keep things ticking over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    I am probably as responsible as anyone for the destruction of this website.
    I take full responsibility for that.
    I'll have to take your word about the early years. Doesn't seem like Roth was doing much to advance his cause during those years. Playing with Sammy probably got him the most attention.
    That being said I don't think you have any reason to apologize. It is what it is now. Evolution. You were a fine commanding officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Being what you would describe as a troll was never bannable.

    I also took time to explain why I did it.

    I realize I'm up there as a scapegoat and always knew I would be but the people I granted amnesty to had all been banned in the couple of months previous to me taking over which is pretty short term in the history of a site going back 16 years. A couple of people I let back in ended up being banned again but the rest have all stuck to a stricter version of the original rules.
    That is irrelevant. Sure you explained everything, but that is suppose to erase the recent history of the site since then?

    That is like saying "Oh I explained why I hit that guy in the face at the pub" in the forlorn hope that it would somehow erase the event as if it never happened.

    You can run this place as you wish. It IS yours now. But it's not like you can hit the history eraser button.



    You have done what anyone would do...you remoulded it into your own version of what you want the site to be like. And regardless of what anyone says, you will continue to do so.

    That is the way it should be. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to change that.

    Oh and necro-quoting? How many years ago did you reply to that post about Katydid and Gar? That is just a diversionary tactic, with no real bearing on what this site has become.

    So they were not unbanned.

    Did that somehow stop the Decline And Fall Of Roth Army? Does not appear so.

    It's ok. You made your bed. You have to worry about it. Not I.

    Scapegoat.

    Roth on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    I seem to be some sort of mythical creature here.
    It became weirdly religious at one point as people quoted interpretations of your scripture with some of us who had been around a long time when you were posting scratching our heads at it. Things had to move with the changing internet world but you being held up as some sort of rule based champion of political correctness and probity was bizarre.

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    True dat.

    Sarge, The Patron Saint of Uncle Dave.

    He is right about the pirate aspect of it. This place WAS full of badasses.

    Now it is just a poor imitation with a bunch of squabbling going on over crap that does not mean anything.

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    So what was remoulded in my image then?

    You and Kristy are criticizing me for not being tougher on the 'badasses'.

    Ban the trolls more censorship and the place will be revived?

    This is bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It became weirdly religious at one point as people quoted interpretations of your scripture with some of us who had been around a long time when you were posting scratching our heads at it. Things had to move with the changing internet world but you being held up as some sort of rule based champion of political correctness and probity was bizarre.
    I can't speak for everybody but when Pojo made me a mod he told me what the 3 rules were and they were presented to me as "Sarge's rules". I didn't know 3 rules could be interpreted in so many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    So what was remoulded in my image then?

    You and Kristy are criticizing me for not being tougher on the 'badasses'.

    Ban the trolls more censorship and the place will be revived?

    This is bullshit.
    I said no such thing.

    So you are saying my statement is wrong....you own this site but have nothing to do with how it is run? You let everyone else be the decider?

    Ok...whatever you say. A minute ago you were saying you allowed people who had previously been banned to come back.

    Which is it?

    Do you run this site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    I can't speak for everybody but when Pojo made me a mod he told me what the 3 rules were and they were presented to me as "Sarge's rules". I didn't know 3 rules could be interpreted in so many ways.

    Well for a start if the three rules were no dick pics, no n word and no personal information it's the third one where the interpretation came from.

    Back in the day the pics of you and Lounge for example would not have counted as personal information and that's what the majority of bannings ended up revolving around. I changed and clarified that because social media these days needs that but posting pictures of people along with insults would not have got you banned in 2005. No way and I should know.

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    So now you are again saying you are running this site?

    Make up your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post

    So you are saying my statement is wrong....you own this site but have nothing to do with how it is run? You let everyone else be the decider?
    I'm just saying I have changed very little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Well for a start if the three rules were no dick pics, no n word and no personal information it's the third one where the interpretation came from.

    Back in the day the pics of you and Lounge for example would not have counted as personal information and that's what the majority of bannings ended up revolving around. I changed and clarified that because social media these days needs that but posting pictures of people along with insults would not have got you banned in 2005. No way and I should know.
    Even if you throw out the no personal information rule their were multiple people abusing the first two rules with only one of them finally being banned. Also, I'm not wanting a a long explanation on the rules, in my entire time as a mod I erased one cock pic, merged a thread, reported some spam. Big time tyrant huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFM_Dale View Post
    Even if you throw out the no personal information rule their were multiple people abusing the first two rules with only one of them finally being banned. Also, I'm not wanting a a long explanation on the rules, in my entire time as a mod I erased one cock pic, merged a thread, reported some spam. Big time tyrant huh?
    Tell that to Kristy.

    First time around when I was a mod you couldn't even do merges.

    The mods had very little to do and this is why I reduced the mods and chose non fighter types. It seemed to me that if you want to have good arguments on the site being a mod wasn't helpful to either side. The alternate/traditional view that people who are moderators have more invested in the site so post more and more posts generate more posts. You tell someone to look after the music forum and they are inspired to make lots of threads about other bands and so the site thrives.

    That definitely used to work and maybe I should have stuck with it. I do notice though that it didn't work at all when people tried it at Rothfans or wherever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Tell that to Kristy.

    First time around when I was a mod you couldn't even do merges.

    The mods had very little to do and this is why I reduced the mods and chose non fighter types. It seemed to me that if you want to have good arguments on the site being a mod wasn't helpful to either side. The alternate/traditional view that people who are moderators have more invested in the site so post more and more posts generate more posts. You tell someone to look after the music forum and they are inspired to make lots of threads about other bands and so the site thrives.

    That definitely used to work and maybe I should have stuck with it. I do notice though that it didn't work at all when people tried it at Rothfans or wherever.
    When the mods outnumber the members you have a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock69 View Post
    So now you are again saying you are running this site?

    Make up your mind.
    Say something constructive then, what would you change apart from making it more dial up connection friendly?

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    So what was remoulded in my image then?

    You and Kristy are criticizing me for not being tougher on the 'badasses'.

    Ban the trolls more censorship and the place will be revived?

    This is bullshit.
    Of course it is. Nobody knows about the behind the scenes, 18 hour days the staff had to deal with leading up to the NY gig, nor the editing needed to wipe out the posts of the album itself, which amongst themselves could have fucked us royally, and legally. Dealing with the incoming info, from various sources both legitimate, sponsored and not.

    Lotta thanks we got for that effort, yet somehow, we destroyed the mother fucking site, right?

    Terrific, and much obliged. Without attempting sounding completely ass hurt...

    No, we ain't masterminds, somehow intuitive all to the whims, arguments, desires, attitudes and basically strange voices of the folks that post here.

    Frankly, even if I had those super-powers, I wouldn't want them (I'd like to fly, gain invisibility, have X=RAY Vision, and of course, nail Wonder Woman).

    The fact is, we are merely a bunch of boneheads with day jobs that (when we get time) look around at what is going on.

    It is humorous when people complain about arbitrary issues.

    Patron: I cannot find your museum, why is that?
    Me: Uhh...perhaps because you failed to notice the seven signs with arrows pointing to it? And all of the balloons?

    Some folks just need to bitch about stuff that really doesn't matter, mainly because they ain't got much that matters going on in their own, real lives. OK, I'm a so-called Super Mod. What does that mean? I merely go around and try to find the bugs that would fuck up your computers. Impressive, eh? I get to make sarcastic comments now and then. Big deal, yet how does that make me superfluous?

    I do what I do, just as the rest of the outfit, without compensation. I am not asking to be applauded for the task. And yeah, I've made some head-slapping mistakes in retrospect as a mod, but also in life beyond cyberspace.

    Yet tell me, to a man or woman, who amongst you has not?

    Thanks, Sesh. For the opportunity, along with it's responsibility and yer trust in me. Yeah, I'm a peckerhead. For some reason, my boss in real life figured that out as well, yet chose to put me on the staff there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Say something constructive then, what would you change apart from making it more dial up connection friendly?
    Give everybody the power to ban!

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    What a bunch of miserable assholes...
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    All this is true but I know some people just left and I come here far less often as certain posters protested Sesh taking ownership (or whatever the hell that was) and testing his new rules to a point of absurdity on some real asinine vendetta. The usual pile of crap...the "true" VH fan, etc. and all that. Really stupid stuff. The lowest point of the site.

    Lost a lot of respect for many of you involved. You know who you are.
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