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He keeps singing higher, he has been doing that since 94, i think he forgot the way he used to sing pre-1994, so he won't change it.
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Agreed.
Dave's an awesome front man, but there are times when he's just going through the motions (like a lot of the 2012 tour - same old schtick) . I REALLY HOPE the 2007 VERSION of Dave shows up for this current tour!! I love it when Dave's on FIRE
P.S. I didn't know ticket sales were bleak for this tour....they just added another Hollywood Bowl show.I'm Stayin' Frosty!Comment
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I just wonder what DLR is doing right now to try and be as decent as he was at The Billboard Awards. Does he think he was better? Did he do something on purpose?
A good friend of mine went to see The Who a coupla weeks ago and my buddy sat next to "World Famous Record Producer" I guess Daltrey sounded pretty bad at one point, so of course they start talking Van Halen and David Lee Roth. World Famous Record Producer says that he'd be surprised if the tour doesn't get cancelled midway through because (he hears) that Dave won't listen to anybody, won't get a coach, won't stop smoking and vetoes songs. But this was after the BBMAs.
It makes sense, but I'm hopin Dave is gonna pleasantly surprise us. Something has to click with this guy. Eddie's even been making excuses for him , talkin about how bad conditions can mess with a singer's voice. Or do the Van Halens not really care and this is a money grab?Comment
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I always thought that in 2012, Dave was tired and sick, his voice was tired... ADKOT was a big challenge for him and he didn't work enough for the tour..in 2013, his voice was more strong but he kept some problems with songs like DTNA or Chinatown..Now , Dave sounds better..for me he will better than 2012 or 2013.http://vhfrance.activebb.net/ (1 er Site Francophone sur Van Halen)
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Dave already sang that way throughout the 2012/13 tour. The Tokyo Dome live album only made it more obvious.
Now the Van Halens are WORKING... They'll be ready as can be for this summer tour, while Dave is doing what?
Martial arts? Sheepdog contests? Japanese development courses? Getting more tattoos?
If he doesn't straighten up next July, I'll be done with current VH and whatever he might do in or outside the band.posted by Ellyllions Men say, "I'll never understand women." That's a very lonely place to be if you're a woman because we don't understand half of what we do either.posted by ALinChainz Katy, Pipe down, pump off, and fly back to your cave you old bat.Comment
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I honestly don't think Dave has that much bargaining power with the Van Halens to be dictating much of anything...
I'm sure he can make a case for certain songs claiming he can't hit the marks... then add Ed's tendency for passive-aggressive allowances so he can blame every failure on someone else in his life... That's about how much rope they have to work with...
For those within the band's circles... they can't be totally unaware of the negative and poor sentiment towards Dave's performances. Although ya got to wonder if no one has the cajones or spine to tell Dave certain aspects suck and he needs to step up.
Given the history of these guys... I'd lay high odds Ed's just allowing the mediocre performances to add up so he's got an iron-clad, cast in stone excuse for when it falls apart there's a goat ready for slawter..."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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For people who say he has always sucked. I'm not sold on that theory. Drunk and lazy singing sometimes but I have bootlegs where he is nailing the screams on Outta love again, which isn't easy. I think Dave has honestly taken the Mick Jagger train of thought , and concentrates more on the "show" and studio vocals than live. I've seen him live many many times and he isn't getting any better that's for sure. Even Mick at some point , got a vocal coach to help him improve, but I just don't think that DLR gives it much thought. Getting older doesn't mean you can't keep going(Rob Halford is still fucking amazing) it just means you have to care enough about that aspect to work harder on it, and obviously he just think live rock and roll needs to be vocally good. It's disappointing but it is what it is.Comment
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As a one-time singer who's looking to get back in it in some capacity, I'd say there's some good advice outlined here. Me thinks Dave should check this out...
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I think that same thought when I recall the way EVH looked at Dave during the BBMA performance, a combination of fear, anticipation and maybe contempt. I don't think Ed feels his future fortune is going to be in original VH music, but in touring and guitars and amps. But I also think he wants Dave to perform better.
I wonder if "This is my new brother" and "We need to stop touring so Ed can get better" vs. the other singer saying "Ed needs to get better so we can go back on tour" is long forgotten?
I wonder if I give this shit WAYYY too much thought.Comment
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I think it's more, or as much, of a business arrangement with Dave and the Van Halens these days as anything else. I mean, I don't have the feeling since they started working together again that they spend much time together unless they ARE working. Which is basically what the last few years of CVH were like, from what I've read.
One hopes Roth's current approach is a condition that is fixable, like, say, the way Eddie was playing badly during the 2008 part of the reunion tour due to physical ailments and an alcohol relapse. At least THOSE conditions were curable to an extent, and by 2012 Ed was able to play at a level of reasonable form again. Let's face it: the first go-round of reunion tours in 2007/2008, Roth carried those fucking shows.
The thing of it is, perhaps what Dave is serving up now live is simply the best he is currently capable of doing, and it is only going to wane even more as time passes. Should that be the case, I honestly couldn't blame Eddie if the band parted ways with Dave at this point. It wouldn't be anything like the 1996 scenario.
The other thing of it is, should Roth leave, who else can the Van Halens get to replace him at this point? The only semi-credible answer in terms of commercial draw is Sam Hagar. The Van Halens getting in a 4th singer, recording a new record with him and going forward from there...well, everyone remembers Van Halen III. No record company is going to put out another Van Halen album with a new singer. And even in terms of a live draw, the Van Halens aren't going to get any decent guarantees unless it is either Roth or Hagar fronting the band. And even IF Hagar DID rejoin (and assumedly wanted to bring Mike Anthony along with him - a situation that has a whole new set of problems), how fucking old is Hagar at this point? He's gotta be pushing upwards of 70 these days.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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Dave has always really believed that VH was his back-up band right from the start. Let's assume he's feeling 60
(not 53 back when "judge us harshly" was promised and delivered). His true fans will give adulation based on what he
"has" represented particularly in 81' when I thought he was in his peak. The FW Tour was the last true testament to his athletic
stage performance ability and yes even great live vocals.
He's always been a chameleon in nature, musically and his adventurous personal pursuits. This is his evolutionary station in life now.
Eccentric multimillionaire "performer", unencumbered by marriage (smart guy), hanging out in Japan pretending to be a rising action star of his own 5 min. self-indulgent film clips, dog herding with real folks and waiting for the VH family to put something into motion.
Like a couple who broke up and are back together, he wanted back in and sang his nutsack off in 07/08, so now he's compromising by letting the VH music machine do the heavy lifting while he just turns up (smoke in hand) and gets what a true egotist wants; attention. Mass media TV attention. I know many very "casual" fans thought their TV performances were fabulous, from their perspective.
I'm slightly saddened that seeing them reminds me how fast 34 years has flown by. It'll never be the same and shouldn't.
Picture Dave wearing a 1982 DLR wig, with Afghan hound boots, do-rags, and black and white V striped spandex and Eddie in his striped overalls at this age. You'd actually puke your stomach lining up. But that's how I want to remember them.
Van Halen isn't done, they've just cozied up to a potential Las Vegas residency gig that ends with Sid Caesar
dying in the casino having won the winning Keno ticket, as the clean up crew vacuums. . . .Comment
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