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  • He's making $$$ and doesn't give a fuck.

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  • He doesn't have to the ability to sing, kick or do jack shit anymore.

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  • He's got an undisclosed illness (Parkinson's etc)

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  • He has the ability but he's not singing in the lower register.

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  • Van Halen is DONE! It's not 1984 anymore! Get a reality check!

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    Why does Dave suck live in 2015?

    Alright we all know Dave ( old Dave 1978-2008) was the greatest front man in rock.

    Nowadays, the band sounds AWESOME but Dave literally hurts my ears.

    What's his problem?
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    It should read... it's the path to easy money for Dave and the Van Halens...
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    Give me Dirty Movies live to pay for my ticket.

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    Afta dis toor DAVE'S goingh t2o change hizz naame t2o DAVIDA aNd ANNounce tooring wit Broocey Jhenner.
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    Looks like we need to re-instate flappo so far....

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    (as James T. Kirk) thread...dying...too many...other threads...covering same topic...don't think saving this one...is...possible...
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    I'm just as guilty as anyone else here who has jumped on the Dave can't sing worth a shit anymore bandwagon and for good reason but I'm still hoping to catch them live on this tour even though I fucked the last ones off. Maybe he'll see the error of his ways by the time they get to Texas and start singing normal again.
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    NEWS FLASH: He's always sucked. No amount of your homoerotica is going to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    NEWS FLASH: He's always sucked. No amount of your homoerotica is going to change that.
    But I'm really, really, REALLY gay for Dave.

    Therefore, if I'm gay for Dave to the point where I profess it with caps, it stands to reason he will start singing better.

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    Let's just bring back flappo and start the party.... i'm bored out of my mind!

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    Cause he cant sing anymore. He doesnt try to sing anymore. He talks out his ass to hear himself, werent they killer at the CMAs? Credibility......Dave has oodles of it. He just wants to be center stage in the spotlight getting the applause, but wont work for it, unless relying on the past is work.
    As the bleak ticket sales for the upcoming tour suggest, his army of adoring worshipers is in decline. Some have a hard time realizing not many people care about the Once Mighty VH these days. He begged and tried for years to come back and then wasnt willing to put in the effort. "judge us....harshly" he said. OK, the band is doing pretty good, you suck Dave. But your twirls are breathtaking.
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    Very insightful. You should copy and paste these sentiments more often.
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    Thanks. You should remind us now again how Dave was never the greatest live singer. And that he's almost 60 and it's more of a vibe thing than perfect singing. And that if one dares insult your Dave they must love Sam and Sam is the devil. Right guys?

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    I never said that. Oh, right, you're here to patrol everyone's thoughts and interpretations of things and out of laziness, you lump us all together as one big dumb fanboy. Job well done. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heater View Post
    Thanks. You should remind us now again how Dave was never the greatest live singer. And that he's almost 60 and it's more of a vibe thing than perfect singing. And that if one dares insult your Dave they must love Sam and Sam is the devil. Right guys?
    Sam is the devil because he writes shitty lyrics!

    And you never came up with Sam's post-VH solo album numbers. Probably because you know that's an argument you are going to lose.
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    He keeps singing higher, he has been doing that since 94, i think he forgot the way he used to sing pre-1994, so he won't change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calderone View Post
    He keeps singing higher, he has been doing that since 94, i think he forgot the way he used to sing pre-1994, so he won't change it.
    I just can't make sense of it.. The lower register sounds so good. How can he just not give a fuck?
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    Agreed.

    Dave's an awesome front man, but there are times when he's just going through the motions (like a lot of the 2012 tour - same old schtick) . I REALLY HOPE the 2007 VERSION of Dave shows up for this current tour!! I love it when Dave's on FIRE

    P.S. I didn't know ticket sales were bleak for this tour....they just added another Hollywood Bowl show.
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    I just wonder what DLR is doing right now to try and be as decent as he was at The Billboard Awards. Does he think he was better? Did he do something on purpose?

    A good friend of mine went to see The Who a coupla weeks ago and my buddy sat next to "World Famous Record Producer" I guess Daltrey sounded pretty bad at one point, so of course they start talking Van Halen and David Lee Roth. World Famous Record Producer says that he'd be surprised if the tour doesn't get cancelled midway through because (he hears) that Dave won't listen to anybody, won't get a coach, won't stop smoking and vetoes songs. But this was after the BBMAs.

    It makes sense, but I'm hopin Dave is gonna pleasantly surprise us. Something has to click with this guy. Eddie's even been making excuses for him , talkin about how bad conditions can mess with a singer's voice. Or do the Van Halens not really care and this is a money grab?
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    I always thought that in 2012, Dave was tired and sick, his voice was tired... ADKOT was a big challenge for him and he didn't work enough for the tour..in 2013, his voice was more strong but he kept some problems with songs like DTNA or Chinatown..Now , Dave sounds better..for me he will better than 2012 or 2013.
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    Dave already sang that way throughout the 2012/13 tour. The Tokyo Dome live album only made it more obvious.

    Now the Van Halens are WORKING... They'll be ready as can be for this summer tour, while Dave is doing what?

    Martial arts? Sheepdog contests? Japanese development courses? Getting more tattoos?

    If he doesn't straighten up next July, I'll be done with current VH and whatever he might do in or outside the band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme Frenchise View Post
    Dave already sang that way throughout the 2012/13 tour. The Tokyo Dome live album only made it more obvious.

    Now the Van Halens are WORKING... They'll be ready as can be for this summer tour, while Dave is doing what?

    Martial arts? Sheepdog contests? Japanese development courses? Getting more tattoos?

    If he doesn't straighten up next July, I'll be done with current VH and whatever he might do in or outside the band.
    I'd have to go with...sheepdog contests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumBahDeeDah View Post
    I just wonder what DLR is doing right now to try and be as decent as he was at The Billboard Awards. Does he think he was better? Did he do something on purpose?

    A good friend of mine went to see The Who a coupla weeks ago and my buddy sat next to "World Famous Record Producer" I guess Daltrey sounded pretty bad at one point, so of course they start talking Van Halen and David Lee Roth. World Famous Record Producer says that he'd be surprised if the tour doesn't get cancelled midway through because (he hears) that Dave won't listen to anybody, won't get a coach, won't stop smoking and vetoes songs. But this was after the BBMAs.

    It makes sense, but I'm hopin Dave is gonna pleasantly surprise us. Something has to click with this guy. Eddie's even been making excuses for him , talkin about how bad conditions can mess with a singer's voice. Or do the Van Halens not really care and this is a money grab?
    I honestly don't think Dave has that much bargaining power with the Van Halens to be dictating much of anything...

    I'm sure he can make a case for certain songs claiming he can't hit the marks... then add Ed's tendency for passive-aggressive allowances so he can blame every failure on someone else in his life... That's about how much rope they have to work with...

    For those within the band's circles... they can't be totally unaware of the negative and poor sentiment towards Dave's performances. Although ya got to wonder if no one has the cajones or spine to tell Dave certain aspects suck and he needs to step up.

    Given the history of these guys... I'd lay high odds Ed's just allowing the mediocre performances to add up so he's got an iron-clad, cast in stone excuse for when it falls apart there's a goat ready for slawter...

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    For people who say he has always sucked. I'm not sold on that theory. Drunk and lazy singing sometimes but I have bootlegs where he is nailing the screams on Outta love again, which isn't easy. I think Dave has honestly taken the Mick Jagger train of thought , and concentrates more on the "show" and studio vocals than live. I've seen him live many many times and he isn't getting any better that's for sure. Even Mick at some point , got a vocal coach to help him improve, but I just don't think that DLR gives it much thought. Getting older doesn't mean you can't keep going(Rob Halford is still fucking amazing) it just means you have to care enough about that aspect to work harder on it, and obviously he just think live rock and roll needs to be vocally good. It's disappointing but it is what it is.
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    As a one-time singer who's looking to get back in it in some capacity, I'd say there's some good advice outlined here. Me thinks Dave should check this out...

    http://blog.discmakers.com/2015/06/d...t-rock-vocals/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme Frenchise View Post
    Dave already sang that way throughout the 2012/13 tour. The Tokyo Dome live album only made it more obvious.

    Now the Van Halens are WORKING... They'll be ready as can be for this summer tour, while Dave is doing what?

    Martial arts? Sheepdog contests? Japanese development courses? Getting more tattoos?

    If he doesn't straighten up next July, I'll be done with current VH and whatever he might do in or outside the band.
    I pretty much agree. Too bad Dave is making it necessary to feel this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    For those within the band's circles... they can't be totally unaware of the negative and poor sentiment towards Dave's performances. Although ya got to wonder if no one has the cajones or spine to tell Dave certain aspects suck and he needs to step up.

    Given the history of these guys... I'd lay high odds Ed's just allowing the mediocre performances to add up so he's got an iron-clad, cast in stone excuse for when it falls apart there's a goat ready for slawter...
    I think that same thought when I recall the way EVH looked at Dave during the BBMA performance, a combination of fear, anticipation and maybe contempt. I don't think Ed feels his future fortune is going to be in original VH music, but in touring and guitars and amps. But I also think he wants Dave to perform better.

    I wonder if "This is my new brother" and "We need to stop touring so Ed can get better" vs. the other singer saying "Ed needs to get better so we can go back on tour" is long forgotten?

    I wonder if I give this shit WAYYY too much thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I honestly don't think Dave has that much bargaining power with the Van Halens to be dictating much of anything...

    I'm sure he can make a case for certain songs claiming he can't hit the marks... then add Ed's tendency for passive-aggressive allowances so he can blame every failure on someone else in his life... That's about how much rope they have to work with...

    For those within the band's circles... they can't be totally unaware of the negative and poor sentiment towards Dave's performances. Although ya got to wonder if no one has the cajones or spine to tell Dave certain aspects suck and he needs to step up.

    Given the history of these guys... I'd lay high odds Ed's just allowing the mediocre performances to add up so he's got an iron-clad, cast in stone excuse for when it falls apart there's a goat ready for slawter...
    I think it's more, or as much, of a business arrangement with Dave and the Van Halens these days as anything else. I mean, I don't have the feeling since they started working together again that they spend much time together unless they ARE working. Which is basically what the last few years of CVH were like, from what I've read.

    One hopes Roth's current approach is a condition that is fixable, like, say, the way Eddie was playing badly during the 2008 part of the reunion tour due to physical ailments and an alcohol relapse. At least THOSE conditions were curable to an extent, and by 2012 Ed was able to play at a level of reasonable form again. Let's face it: the first go-round of reunion tours in 2007/2008, Roth carried those fucking shows.

    The thing of it is, perhaps what Dave is serving up now live is simply the best he is currently capable of doing, and it is only going to wane even more as time passes. Should that be the case, I honestly couldn't blame Eddie if the band parted ways with Dave at this point. It wouldn't be anything like the 1996 scenario.

    The other thing of it is, should Roth leave, who else can the Van Halens get to replace him at this point? The only semi-credible answer in terms of commercial draw is Sam Hagar. The Van Halens getting in a 4th singer, recording a new record with him and going forward from there...well, everyone remembers Van Halen III. No record company is going to put out another Van Halen album with a new singer. And even in terms of a live draw, the Van Halens aren't going to get any decent guarantees unless it is either Roth or Hagar fronting the band. And even IF Hagar DID rejoin (and assumedly wanted to bring Mike Anthony along with him - a situation that has a whole new set of problems), how fucking old is Hagar at this point? He's gotta be pushing upwards of 70 these days.

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    Dave has always really believed that VH was his back-up band right from the start. Let's assume he's feeling 60
    (not 53 back when "judge us harshly" was promised and delivered). His true fans will give adulation based on what he
    "has" represented particularly in 81' when I thought he was in his peak. The FW Tour was the last true testament to his athletic
    stage performance ability and yes even great live vocals.

    He's always been a chameleon in nature, musically and his adventurous personal pursuits. This is his evolutionary station in life now.

    Eccentric multimillionaire "performer", unencumbered by marriage (smart guy), hanging out in Japan pretending to be a rising action star of his own 5 min. self-indulgent film clips, dog herding with real folks and waiting for the VH family to put something into motion.

    Like a couple who broke up and are back together, he wanted back in and sang his nutsack off in 07/08, so now he's compromising by letting the VH music machine do the heavy lifting while he just turns up (smoke in hand) and gets what a true egotist wants; attention. Mass media TV attention. I know many very "casual" fans thought their TV performances were fabulous, from their perspective.

    I'm slightly saddened that seeing them reminds me how fast 34 years has flown by. It'll never be the same and shouldn't.

    Picture Dave wearing a 1982 DLR wig, with Afghan hound boots, do-rags, and black and white V striped spandex and Eddie in his striped overalls at this age. You'd actually puke your stomach lining up. But that's how I want to remember them.

    Van Halen isn't done, they've just cozied up to a potential Las Vegas residency gig that ends with Sid Caesar
    dying in the casino having won the winning Keno ticket, as the clean up crew vacuums. . . .
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    The thing of it is, back in the CVH days Roth had plenty of other aspects to his performance that could augment any live vocal shortcomings.

    He could utilize martial arts moves, or go into his stock audience "look at all the people here tonight/hey, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend, pal!" banter - it was all part and parcel of his routine. And his voice was in good stead back in those days for most of the CVH tours - certainly comparable to what he was doing on the studio albums back then.

    These days, he can't replicate the physical showmanship he once had, and the 2012 banter I heard was pretty much nonsensical gibberish. So basically we're left with his vocals. And his vocals just aren't what they were anymore. So what we got with 2015 Dave is a guy who can't move very well, tells jokes that go nowhere and really can't deliver the songs well in terms of just singing them. And as a fan, you either accept this diminished standard or you don't.

    Everyone gets older. While the music they made ages just fine to my ears, I think what Van Halen did as a live act just wasn't meant to age that well. Certainly not in a manner that would ever hold up to the act 30 years ago.

    Hey, no big 'ting.

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    Pretty much what Terry said.
    Plus, as DLNatra said: we got sober. At least I did. And what I'm hearing now is just painful (vocally-wise, don't get me wrong.. The band kicks major ass)
    But then again, what do I know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by philouze View Post
    Pretty much what Terry said.
    Plus, as DLNatra said: we got sober. At least I did. And what I'm hearing now is just painful (vocally-wise, don't get me wrong.. The band kicks major ass)
    But then again, what do I know?
    LOL

    You nailed it Phil... "then we got sober".

    Back in the early 80's a bunch of us from a few bands would get together on a Sunday afternoon once a month for what we called "Champagne Jams"... show up with a bottle and a 6 pack at this remote studio and play n party... The tape machine would run the whole time. We had monumental jams we'd brag on and tell tall tales of our exploits for days. Then some sober afternoon a week later I'd go listen to the tapes... Damn we were a bunch of drunk/high idiots making some of the most horrific noise you could imagine... but we had fun!!

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    Double Z, my dear friend, I totally hear ya.

    The thing is, back in '07, when VH announced the reunion, I watched or listened to a show EVERY NIGHT. And I got plastered while at it.

    Then came the bootlegs from that reunion tour and I was grunting and screaming things like: "Woo-Hoooo", "Fuck Yeah", "Oomph", "I'm gonna come", "Swallow, ye old hag" and others...

    2012, ADKOT. Same thing, except louder and stronger.

    Same year, the bootlegs are coming. It was like when you smoke a real fucking fantastic joint (I'm not much of a smoker, I have to admit) and you start to (I don't know if this is the correct word) "get down", you know.. The buzz is starting to fade..

    2013, I'm sober. Alcohol-free. I still smoke a little. And I go listen to a 2013 bootleg. Dude... That was as Painful as the worst sounding FZ & the Mothers bootleg from 1968, recorded in the back of the hall while there's a construction work going on at the same time. Just as painful. Oh, believe me, the sound is Grate!!!
    But the problem comes from THIS guy.

    If I ever start to drink again, it would be Dave's fault. Take that with you.

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    Dave can still sing, he just chooses not to. There is nothing wrong with his voice. It just sounds bad because he screws up the timing, melodies, and lyrics. He sings in the wrong octave or talks the words rather than singing them. His voice is great, he just chooses not to use it properly. The real question is why does Dave intentionally screw things up like this. At this point I think Dave cares more about entertaining himself than entertaining the audience. He thinks what he is doing is clever. Unfortunately being clever is not his job. His job is singing the songs in a way the fans will find enjoyable. I have been a huge Dave fan all my life, but if he doesn't get his act together soon I think Ed should call Cherone or go find singer number four.
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    Ed doesn't wanna bring back John Travolta!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    Ed doesn't wanna bring back John Travolta!
    I think John would fit right in with that bunc of crazies...
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    I was referencing Ed calling Gary Cherone "John Travolta" with his stags outfit.

    This interview is gonna be great for quotes for many years to come!

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    Maybe Ed will become a homo again. He got distracted by his wife's big titties but crazy Ed probably will get hungry for some coke and disco glitter soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    Ed doesn't wanna bring back John Travolta!
    Ed's a dork. I remember he was calling John Travolta his brother and soul mate and giving each other love stares on stage that only two gay men in love do. Naw Ed was hot for Gary. Don't tell us you knew it wasn't going to work. Maybe it was the shitty songs people didn't like Ed. You know the songs you wrote.

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