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    I like those early albums but really, the loss of Pete Willis doesn't consume much of my time in oh, say, 30 years.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Supposedly the arm stayed in the Corvette and the nerves pulled out of it. Allen mentioned in an interview once that the nerves were "balled up" and sewn into his shoulder.
    As I remember the arm was put on ice at the scene and they sewed it back on but it didn't take and had to be cut off again.

    He did of course still manage to get himself convicted for spousal abuse I assume using his left foot to do what he would usually do with his left fist.
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    Hysteria was a candy ass effort.
    This is Def Leppard and the first guitar riff I learned.............

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    Of course I like the first 3 albums the best. Especially the first one, but I like Hysteria too. Not as much. But I do like it.
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    Pyromania was pretty good too I guess but they were heading too much into the commercialized MTV era.

    I can't stand this band now and refuse to see them live.

    Vivian Campbell is such a waste of space..... I thought they would go back to their roots when they hired DIO's guitarist....

    Turns out he's more bubble gum than Phil Collins ( Colon ) whatever.....
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    I think Campbell has dropped out because of his cancer. But I agree. I really thought he would provide more edge than he did. I think he was just a hired gun, and really had no input. This has to be Elliot and Collen's band now. I believe they ruined it for radio, and can't figure out how to get back to their roots. Which wouldn't work in the climate of todays music and music business, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    Pyromania was pretty good too I guess but they were heading too much into the commercialized MTV era.

    I can't stand this band now and refuse to see them live.
    Last time I saw them we left after 6 songs.

    We were there to see Steel Panther support them.

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    Pyro was pretty good. Actually saw that tour from the front row (actually smashed up against the barricade) of festival seating (the good ole days).
    But Hysteria just got to tedious with all the guitar and vocal layering and techno sound effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I think Campbell has dropped out because of his cancer. But I agree. I really thought he would provide more edge than he did. I think he was just a hired gun, and really had no input. This has to be Elliot and Collen's band now. I believe they ruined it for radio, and can't figure out how to get back to their roots. Which wouldn't work in the climate of todays music and music business, anyway.
    They would sell a shit ton more records if they went back to at least their pyromania sounds. They are alienating their old fans and not bringing much new fan base with anything they did in the past twenty years. I think they just wanna sell out shows based on the nostalgia of their 80's hits ( Viva Hysteria tour ) and they don't really care if they sell copies. I heard they have a deluxe edition of SLANG , bwahahahahahaha. I remember when I heard that WHEN LOVE AND HATE COLLIDES song and wondered how the fucking the mighty Def Leppard has transformed into NSYNC.... then I did some research they had the same writer.... seriously. What a fucking shit band!

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    all the guitar and vocal layering and techno sound effects.
    Aka "Pussification" which BTW got them a lot of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Last time I saw them we left after 6 songs.

    We were there to see Steel Panther support them.
    Def Leppard should be supporting Steel Panther.


    This was the last decent Def Leppard song.

    It's not greatness but it at least shows some flashes of Pyro/Hysteria


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    I also dig a couple tracks from RETROACTIVE mostly because they are Steve Clark recordings PUSSIFIED by Phil Colon....


    But I still think is a really solid Def Leppard track, the best since Gods of War....



    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    I remember when I heard that WHEN LOVE AND HATE COLLIDES song and wondered how the fucking the mighty Def Leppard has transformed into NSYNC.... then I did some research they had the same writer.... seriously. What a fucking shit band!
    I just checked the setlist of the show we walked out of.

    Rocket
    C'mon C'mon
    Make Love Like a Man
    Armageddon It
    When Love and Hate Collide
    Nine Lives

    It took most of song 5 to ask everyone(there were 6 of us) if they wanted to go so we walked out as 6 started.

    The bill was exactly upside down

    Def Leppard
    Motley Crue
    Steel Panther

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    I'd never even heard 'C'mon C'mon' before, what a sack of Pop Idol shit that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    Never noticed how much High And Dry sounded like an AC/DC song. This is the first DL song I remember hearing.
    No question that Ac/Dc was a big influence on their early sound. In fact, there's a live video of "Problem Child" on one of Ac/Dc's recent video box sets. The performance was for some UK TV show called "Rock Goes To College" in 1977 or 78, and there's this group of poodle-haired kids near the front of the stage banging their heads along with the music. The camera doesn't stay on them long enough for a positive ID, but it looks a lot like the teenaged Def Leppard to me. They would have formed the band shortly after this, so perhaps that's where the inspiration came from.
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    You mean this , FORD?


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    Yep, that's the one. Didn't even look for it on YouTube, because I figured the RIAA fascists would have already yanked it.


    And sure enough.... they did just that. I swear those leeches watch this website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    No question that Ac/Dc was a big influence on their early sound. In fact, there's a live video of "Problem Child" on one of Ac/Dc's recent video box sets. The performance was for some UK TV show called "Rock Goes To College" in 1977 or 78, and there's this group of poodle-haired kids near the front of the stage banging their heads along with the music. The camera doesn't stay on them long enough for a positive ID, but it looks a lot like the teenaged Def Leppard to me. They would have formed the band shortly after this, so perhaps that's where the inspiration came from.
    Not sure about that but Phil Collen's picture is on the back cover of Deep Purple's Made In Japan. The picture was actually taken at a private school in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    No question that Ac/Dc was a big influence on their early sound.
    Their biggest influence was Mutt Lange and with him doing AC/DC albums at the same time as their early albums a lot of the sound would come from that.

    There is no real reason to assume that Pete Willis leaving led to the pussification of DL. That happened over a number of years and maybe it was just in response to the fact that the more they went in that direction the more albums they sold.

    By the end of the process the songs Mutt Lange was producing/writing with Bryan Adams even Shania Twain could just as easily have been on Def Leppard albums.

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    They always seemed the least convincing of the bands that came through with the nwobhm bands.
    They dropped the rock stuff as soon as money came their way and the stuff after the couple of albums mentioned are wetter than an otters pocket.
    Does all that produced bollox even count as genuine music and the stories of how mutt arranged them sound more Meccano than rock n roll.
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    Oh , I don't like def leopard

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    They dropped the rock stuff as soon as money came their way and the stuff after the couple of albums mentioned are wetter than an otters pocket.
    Could you translate that into English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Their biggest influence was Mutt Lange and with him doing AC/DC albums at the same time as their early albums a lot of the sound would come from that.

    There is no real reason to assume that Pete Willis leaving led to the pussification of DL. That happened over a number of years and maybe it was just in response to the fact that the more they went in that direction the more albums they sold.

    By the end of the process the songs Mutt Lange was producing/writing with Bryan Adams even Shania Twain could just as easily have been on Def Leppard albums.
    Ac/Dc might well have been the only band who didn't pussify significantly with Mutt Lange producing. Yeah, you could say that Powerage had a slightly harder edge than Highway to Hell, but nothing to complain about, compared to what happened to Def Leppard, Foreigner, and others who turned into complete cheese factories after they started working with him. Hell, even Bryan Adams had a few decent songs on his first couple of records (they got a lot of airplay up here in Cascadia, naturally)

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    Luv those first three albums especially On Through The Night and High N Dry . I saw them live back in that time period as well and thought they kicked ass for such a young band . Who was I kidding ? They were/are my age !
    I do hear the AC/DC influence but can't help but notice a twinge of UFO as well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    Could you translate that into English?
    Which bit , the words and stuff ?

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    Lookin' back at my old ticket stubs I found these shows :

    Tues - 6 - 17 - 1980 The Checkerdome - St. Louis : Ted Nugent , Scorpions , Def Leppard ( nutty crowd ! )

    September , 1981 - Kiel Auditorium - St. Louis : Blackfoot & Def Leppard ( raggedy , nearly indecipherable ticket stub )

    Sat - 8 - 20 - 1983 - The Checkerdome - St. Louis : Def Leppard & Uriah Heep

    They were a young , up and coming rock band to be reckoned with for sure .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    Here's a bold statement...

    I'll take the first two Def Leppard albums over the first two Van Halen albums....

    Discuss....
    Sober up !! And they are great albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARF View Post
    Here's a bold statement...

    I'll take the first two Def Leppard albums over the first two Van Halen albums....

    Discuss....
    You are a liar!
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    Def Leppard's First Strike is a collection of demos released in 1985 without the band's, and management's, authorization.

    It's a great collection that shows off the band's raw hunger and creativeness. Some of the demos are better than the re-worked versions...

    ... Sorrow is a Woman
    ... Answer to the Master
    ... Wasted
    Also includes a never-been released song "Heat Street"

    Ride into the Sun was on an earlier set of demos and then totally pussified in 1987. I believe it was a B-side to a Hysteria single, but then included on the Remastered Hysteria release.
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    I dunno...I never really considered High 'n' Dry an astounding rock record. Even within the context of the NWOBHM. It was certainly one of Def Leppard's most straightforward records and had a consistent hard rock edge to it, but that type of material never quite came off sounding like stuff Leppard naturally gravitated towards. Like, the whole attitude on that album was one more of a sort of affected pose or posturing than material and performances the band moved toward organically or something they felt in their guts.
    Put it this way: High 'n' Dry was a good hard rock album by Def Leppard standards.
    Honestly, I think Hysteria was their best work. Even if roughly half the album was throwaway stuff songwise (Rocket, Don't Shoot Shotgun, Run Riot, Excitable, Love And Affection), the lesser songs were made slightly better by the production. And the remainder of the album were great pop rock tunes combined with that lush, dense, multi-layered production...
    Pete Willis was fine for the band for what it was when he was in it, but I doubt Willis had the talent or drive the rest of the band did to take Leppard to the next level. Plus, his physical appearance was ridiculous (with a series of naff haircuts and a general look of someone's kid brother who was playing with the group only because the rest of the band were initially too nice to kick him out).
    Now, when Steve Clark died, THAT I could agree was a demarcation point for Leppard. Their output in terms of quality went downhill steadily after Clark passed on.
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    Finally I find a music post you made I can disagree with.

    I was nodding right up to the point you said Hysteria was their best work, Pyromania for me any time. I find Hysteria over thought and over produced. I hate that Pour Some Sugar has become the standard off that album with the pat-a-cake-pat-a-cake-bakers-man verse.

    You're very correct to point out that half the album is fillers. I think the other major problem is the drumming which doesn't swing. The 60 layers of backing vocals are there to add the theatre and energy that should be happening from the groove of the drumming which isn't there.

    There is a massive huge difference between Phil Rudd and a mid 80s drum machine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Finally I find a music post you made I can disagree with.

    I was nodding right up to the point you said Hysteria was their best work, Pyromania for me any time. I find Hysteria over thought and over produced. I hate that Pour Some Sugar has become the standard off that album with the pat-a-cake-pat-a-cake-bakers-man verse.

    You're very correct to point out that half the album is fillers. I think the other major problem is the drumming which doesn't swing. The 60 layers of backing vocals are there to add the theatre and energy that should be happening from the groove of the drumming which isn't there.

    There is a massive huge difference between Phil Rudd and a mid 80s drum machine...
    Well, at least you didn't retort with a lament on how I glossed over the 'fact' that Pete Willis was the most important member to ever pass through Def Leppard...or some nonsense about how High 'n' Dry was one of the best hard rock albums ever. Had that been the case, I would have found it necessary to fly across the pond and give you a swift kick in the goolies that would have made the most vicious Glasgow football hooligan wince in amazement.

    Odd what you said about the drumming, because I think the drumming on Hysteria (certainly sounding more electronic than acoustic compared to Pyromania) 'swings' pretty well. Much more so than Pyromania, where whenever I hear a tune off that album it's almost as if I can hear the click track/metronome keeping time...granted Rick Allen certainly never was going to be confused with Terry Bozzio in terms of technical ability, but the drumming on Pyromania is so calculated and robotic it was devoid of personality: to me, oddly enough the Pyromania drumming despite being acoustic in origin sounds more cold and computer-generated than anything on Hysteria.

    I'd have to agree that Pyromania definitely had less filler-tunes than Hysteria. In point of fact, the only tune on Pyromania that is disposable to me is Action, Not Words. However, the half of the Hysteria album that works does so much better for me than the best of Pyromania. And no small part of that is due to the production. Pyromania, soncially, just sounds too dry and mid-level in terms of EQ: no real bottom end, thus no real balls.

    Fuck me, I'm expending way too much thought on these Sheffield jagoffs.

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