So HOW and WHEN do we...

[Northern Girl]

I think it's a Jewish thing and it's all about discipline and confidence.


I saw a Seth Rogan interview recently and something he said made me feel the martial arts thing is big for kids in the Jewish community.

[DONNIEP]

First off... most of the stage moves Dave has used over the years is far more closely aligned with common gymnastics and fucking cheer-leading than any tough guy martial arts.

Yep. You put a daughter in competitive cheer and advanced gymnastics classes and you'll think they've been watching your old VH bootlegs.

[DONNIEP]

I think it's a Jewish thing and it's all about discipline and confidence.


I saw a Seth Rogan interview recently and something he said made me feel the martial arts thing is big for kids in the Jewish community.

It's a conspiracy so they can take over China!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yep. You put a daughter in competitive cheer and advanced gymnastics classes and you'll think they've been watching your old VH bootlegs.

Just a tad bit of exaggeration from you two.....

I'd wholeheartedly agree with the post-2007 Dave onstage, but wouldn't his 1984 routine fall inline with his Iaido training?

[DavidLeeNatra]

Just a tad bit of exaggeration from you two.....

I'd wholeheartedly agree with the post-2007 Dave onstage, but wouldn't his 1984 routine fall inline with his Iaido training?

Don't tell Von...but Dave has scarfs on stage in this one

[Anonymous]

I think it's a Jewish thing

[Von Halen]

Don't tell Von...but Dave has scarfs on stage in this one

Don't tell me? I saw this tour live, from the front row. As I did the first 5 headlining tours. Yeah, he had scarfs on stage, and a zillion "costume" changes. That's why this was the worst tour of the 5, and probably a big part of why it was the last.

I took this pic at the Kansas Coliseum on the 84 tour.

[DONNIEP]

Just a tad bit of exaggeration from you two.....

I'd wholeheartedly agree with the post-2007 Dave onstage, but wouldn't his 1984 routine fall inline with his Iaido training?

I wasn't talking about his Crouching Ninja, Hidden Homo routine from '84

[DLR Bridge]

Yep. You put a daughter in competitive cheer and advanced gymnastics classes and you'll think they've been watching your old VH bootlegs.

I showed my cheer daughter the two minute montage of all of Dave's different jumps and she was naming what he was doing. I think Zah Zoo pointed out the cheer connection a couple of years ago. Fitting that Dave has refered to himself as the band's cheerleader way back when.

[DLR Bridge]

Watching that '84 sword dance thing reminded me that I recently saw an awful version of Mine All Mine performed by Sammy's Circle. The song was better as an instrumental in '84.

[Anonymous]

So, after all these years, it is finally time to face the truth:

We have all been drooling over a male cheerleader.

There's never been a shortage of female cheerleaders to obsess over, yet we chose the only male one.

I'm sure there's some deep psychological meaning for all of this, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.

[DONNIEP]

I showed my cheer daughter the two minute montage of all of Dave's different jumps and she was naming what he was doing. I think Zah Zoo pointed out the cheer connection a couple of years ago. Fitting that Dave has refered to himself as the band's cheerleader way back when.

If we'd had '81 Dave on our squad and if he'd learned that standing back tuck from the Jump video we would have taken high gold every weekend lol. You watch near the end of the Unchained video - Dave's moves are straight off a high school cheer routine. All that's missing is him clapping before he shoots his hand up in the air.

Cheerleading is a tough sport. I've seen my kid finish a routine with a busted nose and bleeding. I remember one time she got tossed and they missed her and she fell about seven feet straight down, bounced up and I'm screaming keep going keep going and she barely missed a beat. All those kids were tough as nails. All that make up they wear covers up a lot of black eyes and bruised cheekbones.

[cadaverdog]

Seriously..? You think DLR's motivation towards martial arts was to hone his stage antics..?

I've alway assumed Dave was trying to emulate Elvis Presley.

[DONNIEP]

If you're a flyer this is called a Liberty



If you're Dave and do it at the end of the Unchained video it's called martial arts





Really, it's just too easy sometimes...

[ZahZoo]

I noticed the cheer aspects when my youngest was in competitive cheer... she also was calling out cheer move names watching Dave perform from a video I had playing.

She was critiquing his performance... He's not pointing his toes in the Horkie... that's a terrible heal touch and front hurdler...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

So EWS is about scarfs? Maybe with them you can get romantic on a subway line after all?

[DONNIEP]

So EWS is about scarfs? Maybe with them you can get romantic on a subway line after all?

Depending on which part of New York City you're in - yes.

[DONNIEP]

I noticed the cheer aspects when my youngest was in competitive cheer... she also was calling out cheer move names watching Dave perform from a video I had playing.

She was critiquing his performance... He's not pointing his toes in the Horkie... that's a terrible heal touch and front hurdler...

Yeah, his technique sucks but he'd get extra points for enthusiasm and sportsmanship. Plus he could probably pick out some kick ass uniforms for the girls.

[Anonymous]

I noticed the cheer aspects when my youngest was in competitive cheer... she also was calling out cheer move names watching Dave perform from a video I had playing.

She was critiquing his performance... He's not pointing his toes in the Horkie... that's a terrible heal touch and front hurdler...

So what you're saying is that Dave is a terrible cheerleader, so the reason we obsess over him - in before anyone uses it as a lame excuse - is NOT his superior technique & showmanship?

I'm not sure I understand where this is going, to be honest.

[DONNIEP]

So what you're saying is that Dave is a terrible cheerleader, so the reason we obsess over him - in before anyone uses it as a lame excuse - is NOT his superior technique & showmanship?

I'm not sure I understand where this is going, to be honest.

Me neither.

Now back to Cheerleading Chat brought to you by the Roth Army!!

[Seshmeister]

If we'd had '81 Dave on our squad and if he'd learned that standing back tuck from the Jump video we would have taken high gold every weekend lol. You watch near the end of the Unchained video - Dave's moves are straight off a high school cheer routine. All that's missing is him clapping before he shoots his hand up in the air.

Cheerleading is a tough sport. I've seen my kid finish a routine with a busted nose and bleeding. I remember one time she got tossed and they missed her and she fell about seven feet straight down, bounced up and I'm screaming keep going keep going and she barely missed a beat. All those kids were tough as nails. All that make up they wear covers up a lot of black eyes and bruised cheekbones.

After I saw the Bullshit! show on Cheerleading I vowed no kid of mine would be allowed to do it

[DONNIEP]

After I saw the Bullshit! show on Cheerleading I vowed no kid of mine would be allowed to do it

Yeah people don't realize how tough of a sport it is. I bet not one guy here would let someone launch them 9 or 10 feet in the air, come down with their ass pointed towards the ground and hope two girls are gonna catch them before the hit the floor. And they have to be tough enough to jump up and keep going when it happens, and it does happen. The one time my kid got dropped after being tossed, they finished the routine, ran out of the gym and she collapsed in the hall just outside the doors where the judges couldn't see her. She wasn't injured, just hurt. But you don't carry ice packs and first aid kits for nothing. I've seen our girls break wrists, one broke her collar bone, one cracked a tail bone, more than one broke a bone or two in their feet, and they all had black eyes and bruised cheek bones and busted noses and lips at one time or another. And you can bet your ass there ain't no crying during the routine. They smile like they're on speed and bleed and then cry after they run off the stage or out of whatever gym they were competing at. Then they get patched up and go right back in to cheer on the other squad from our studio.

No joke, you go to a cheer competition and watch the kids coming out after it's over. It ain't unusual at all to see girls limping out or being half carried or just looking like they got the hell beat out of them. And yet they show up for practice two days later and do it all over again. Just cause the girls look pretty and smile doesn't mean it ain't a sport.

[Anonymous]

Yeah people don't realize how tough of a sport it is. I bet not one guy here would let someone launch them 9 or 10 feet in the air, come down with their ass pointed towards the ground and hope two girls are gonna catch them before the hit the floor. And they have to be tough enough to jump up and keep going when it happens, and it does happen.

*ahem*

[cadaverdog]

Yeah people don't realize how tough of a sport it is. I bet not one guy here would let someone launch them 9 or 10 feet in the air, come down with their ass pointed towards the ground and hope two girls are gonna catch them before the hit the floor. And they have to be tough enough to jump up and keep going when it happens, and it does happen. The one time my kid got dropped after being tossed, they finished the routine, ran out of the gym and she collapsed in the hall just outside the doors where the judges couldn't see her. She wasn't injured, just hurt. But you don't carry ice packs and first aid kits for nothing. I've seen our girls break wrists, one broke her collar bone, one cracked a tail bone, more than one broke a bone or two in their feet, and they all had black eyes and bruised cheek bones and busted noses and lips at one time or another. And you can bet your ass there ain't no crying during the routine. They smile like they're on speed and bleed and then cry after they run off the stage or out of whatever gym they were competing at. Then they get patched up and go right back in to cheer on the other squad from our studio.

No joke, you go to a cheer competition and watch the kids coming out after it's over. It ain't unusual at all to see girls limping out or being half carried or just looking like they got the hell beat out of them. And yet they show up for practice two days later and do it all over again. Just cause the girls look pretty and smile doesn't mean it ain't a sport.

It's not a sport. It's entertainment just like pro wrestling. It takes plenty of practice, dedication and determination to do it right and it's physically demanding but that still doesn't make it a sport.

[DONNIEP]

It's not a sport. It's entertainment just like pro wrestling. It takes plenty of practice, dedication and determination to do it right and it's physically demanding but that still doesn't make it a sport.

It gets scored and that makes it a sport. That's like saying boxing isn't a sport unless one guy is beat unconscious lol. But I do get your analogy with wrasslin.

[Anonymous]

It's not a sport. It's entertainment just like pro wrestling. It takes plenty of practice, dedication and determination to do it right and it's physically demanding but that still doesn't make it a sport.

Dear lord... I'm so tired of this bullshit.

SPORT=/=COMPETITION

sport
spɔːt
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

competition
kɒmpɪˈtɪʃ(ə)n
noun
the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.

Everyone's entitled to an INFORMED opinion. But it seems everyone forgets the INFORMED bit & just spews shit out of their mouths like they're universal truths.

Fuck people.

[cadaverdog]

the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.

By that definition mugging is a sport too.

[cadaverdog]

It gets scored and that makes it a sport. That's like saying boxing isn't a sport unless one guy is beat unconscious lol. But I do get your analogy with wrasslin.

I was thinking of regular cheerleading not competitive cheerleading even though most cheerleaders participate in both kinds. Regular cheerleading isn't a sport is what I should have said. It still takes the same hard work and dedication to do right as does pro wrestling but neither one is really a sport.

[cadaverdog]

Dear lord... I'm so tired of this bullshit.

SPORT=/=COMPETITION

sport
spɔːt
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

competition
kɒmpɪˈtɪʃ(ə)n
noun
the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.

Everyone's entitled to an INFORMED opinion. But it seems everyone forgets the INFORMED bit & just spews shit out of their mouths like they're universal truths.

Fuck people.

Eat a Snickers. You get a little bitchy when you're hungry.

[DONNIEP]

I was thinking of regular cheerleading not competitive cheerleading even though most cheerleaders participate in both kinds. Regular cheerleading isn't a sport is what I should have said. It still takes the same hard work and dedication to do right as does pro wrestling but neither one is really a sport.

I'll concede the fact that regular cheerleading isn't scored and that they're not competing unless they're at a competition. But as far as school funding goes it should be considered a sport. Only homos and ugly women don't want to see hot cheerleaders!

One of the dads in my circle of the popular kids' families I share carpool duties with was a college cheerleader. Cheered for NC State all four years of college. I wish I'd went to college and been on the cheer squad. Hot legal hot sweaty hot chicks and you have to not only pick them up but stare at their asses all day - that's gotta be the best gig around!!

[cadaverdog]

sport

noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Using this definition Roshambo would be a sport.

[DONNIEP]

In cheer this is called a Toe Touch



Seems like I've seen Dave do it a time or two...

[DONNIEP]

Again, his technique sucks - legs in wrong position, toes turned in, but not bad for a JV cheerleader.

[ThatArtGuy]

.....

[DONNIEP]

In cheer this is called a Herkie



Let's check out Dave's technique

[DONNIEP]

Just a tad bit of exaggeration from you two.....

See posts above. I'd continue but at this point it really would be overkill

[DONNIEP]

Martial arts?



No, just a really poorly executed Bow and Arrow



The only thing missing from Dave's early performances was a tumbling routine.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

[Von Halen]

Who cares if Dave was doing cheerleading moves? It was fucking COOL!

Fuck you if you didn't like Dave's jumps, kicks and splits!

[cadaverdog]

Who cares if Dave was doing cheerleading moves? It was fucking COOL!

Fuck you if you didn't like Dave's jumps, kicks and splits!

Sounds like someone else could use a Snickers too.
I went to concerts to hear bands I like perform live. If I wanted to see someone performing cheerleader moves I'd watch a football or basketball game. IMO Dave tries too hard to be the center of attention the entire time he's on stage. I guess that's the difference between being a lead singer and a frontman. When I saw VH in 79 Dave was a lead singer. At the US in 83 he was a frontman / lead singer. Now he's mainly a frontman. If that's what floats your boat, that's cool with me. If I wanted to be entertained by theatrics I'd go to an Alice Cooper concert.