Just release the John 5 LP already...

[DavidLeeNatra]

Maybe we get Dave 's vision of "The Elder"...

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[FORD]

I've never heard that record, believe it or not. Gave up on KISS after the Disco Dynasty album, and other then the few singles which made it onto the radio or MTV (most of which were horrible) I pretty much ignored them until the Unplugged show in 1995, which of course spawned the reunion tour.

My friend who was a KiSS fanatic told me The Elder sucked, so I figured if he hated it, I wouldn't even bother trying to listen.

[DavidLeeNatra]

I've never heard that record, believe it or not. Gave up on KISS after the Disco Dynasty album, and other then the few singles which made it onto the radio or MTV (most of which were horrible) I pretty much ignored them until the Unplugged show in 1995, which of course spawned the reunion tour.

My friend who was a KiSS fanatic told me The Elder sucked, so I figured if he hated it, I wouldn't even bother trying to listen.

Never listened to it either. Revange wasn't that bad. And I admit that I bought Psycho Circus out of curiosity. It sucked...so did the 3D concert but I wanted to see the original line up for once.

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[ZahZoo]

Ok. Well nothing in that description says "Broadway musical", to me.

Exactly... Dave said "jukebox musical".

Which equates to an Expressway Musical™... something more fittingly inspired by life under a highway overpass in some rundown industrial area of the central California valley near Bakersfield... Geographically speaking this would be Dave's fertile inspirational ground in a way like the Mississippi Delta was to Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson and other great artistic visionaries...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Exactly... Dave said "jukebox musical".

Which equates to an Expressway Musical™... something more fittingly inspired by life under a highway overpass in some rundown industrial area of the central California valley near Bakersfield... Geographically speaking this would be Dave's fertile inspirational ground in a way like the Mississippi Delta was to Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson and other great artistic visionaries...

and ace diamond

[DONNIEP]

Exactly... Dave said "jukebox musical".

Which equates to an Expressway Musical™... something more fittingly inspired by life under a highway overpass in some rundown industrial area of the central California valley near Bakersfield... Geographically speaking this would be Dave's fertile inspirational ground in a way like the Mississippi Delta was to Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson and other great artistic visionaries...

Nice post. It reminds me that all you guys should read Van Halen - Exuberant California Zen Rock 'N Roll. If you haven't read it, trust me - it's really, really good. Delves into areas that ZZ's post reminds me of

[Terry]

When I think about a couple of the comments Ed made last year, which were along the lines of "Dave does not want to be my friend" and "I'd like to make new music but there are 4 of us in the band: three of us like rock and roll and one of us likes dance music...and Dave does not want to come to the table"...maybe another Van Halen album with Roth on vocals just isn't in the cards.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if Roth chose not to do anything he thinks would upset the apple cart, like releasing a new solo album, and potentially derail his prospects of future tours with Van Halen.

If I'm looking at the facts, Roth's last 2 full length solo album releases of new original material or newly recorded material didn't sell well. Maybe 100-200k units per release, with 200k units probably being a generous estimate. If I'm Dave at this point in his career, am I going to want to release a solo project with John 5 that might sell 50,000 copies and possibly threaten my day job with Van Halen? Even if the EEAS lineup reunited and recorded a new album, how many records would that sell today?

If I'm Dave and it's a choice between going back to what he was doing commercially from 1999 to 2006 in terms of albums sold and venue sizes played (keeping in mind that the highest-profile thing he did during those years was a combo tour with Sammy Hagar) as opposed to the safe and lucrative gig of being Van Halen's lead singer, it's a no-fuckin'-brainer. Mostly because Dave knows this isn't 1985 anymore: if he leaves Van Halen again, he ain't gonna be filling arenas solely on the strength of his own name THIS time around even if he DID get Sheehan and Vai back onstage with him. He's gonna go right back to 1,000 seat venues and being somewhere on the bill at various Ribfests and State Fairs/Expos. That's not a slam against Dave, but just a hard dose of reality. If anyone thinks it would be any different, you're only deluding yourselves.

If you're Dave, do you want to end your career playing good-sized venues with a nice, fat guaranteed paycheck every night fronting Van Halen? Or do you want to end your career being the headlining act at The House Of Blues in Orlando, Florida? Personally, one of the better Roth shows I've seen in recent years was at the Hard Rock Café in Universal Studios, Orlando. Has a capacity of 3,000. Roth played a GREAT solo show there in 2006. I actually enjoyed that show better than the Van Halen show I saw in Tampa a couple of years later. As a fan, I'd much rather see Roth in a smaller venue. However, if I'm putting myself in Roth's shoes, I think I'd opt for the bigger paycheck.

[Seshmeister]

The other side of the argument is he now has his 'fuck you' money restocked.

The reunion tours with Van Halen probably netted him 7 figures so he can do what he wants.

There is an argument that could be made that they split up first time around the minute they all had their 'fuck you' money.

[Jetstream]

Well, today on social media an image of Dave was posted visiting a competition rodeo in California and the dude looks happy... as a Dave fan, that made me think that maybe that LP might see the light of day

[Von Halen]

Terry, you're forgetting one thing. It's not entirely Dave's choice whether he fronts VH, or not. I don't think Dave has to worry about "upsetting the apple cart". Ed will either sign Dave to another contract, or he won't. I'm betting he won't.

No way there will be a full blown EEAS reunion, that includes an album. I'll be surprised if they ever even reschedule that gig. I don't think there is any way in hell, that at this point in their careers, Vai or Sheehan will be willing to deal with Dave for any length of time.

I am with you on the smaller venues. I'd rather see any band with Dave, in a smaller venue.

Time will tell. Unfortunately at the pace these guys move, it will be a lengthy amount of time. Many more rock stars will probably drop dead before these dumbfuck a ever do anything again.

[Terry]

The other side of the argument is he now has his 'fuck you' money restocked.

The reunion tours with Van Halen probably netted him 7 figures so he can do what he wants.

There is an argument that could be made that they split up first time around the minute they all had their 'fuck you' money.

Yeah, all of that may well be true.

The last 3 tours did quite well, so one would guess all of them should be set (although apparently Alex discards wives the way you and I do socks, with the downside being that his wives cost much more to replace) for quite some time.

[Terry]

Terry, you're forgetting one thing. It's not entirely Dave's choice whether he fronts VH, or not. I don't think Dave has to worry about "upsetting the apple cart". Ed will either sign Dave to another contract, or he won't. I'm betting he won't.

No way there will be a full blown EEAS reunion, that includes an album. I'll be surprised if they ever even reschedule that gig. I don't think there is any way in hell, that at this point in their careers, Vai or Sheehan will be willing to deal with Dave for any length of time.

I am with you on the smaller venues. I'd rather see any band with Dave, in a smaller venue.

Time will tell. Unfortunately at the pace these guys move, it will be a lengthy amount of time. Many more rock stars will probably drop dead before these dumbfuck a ever do anything again.

All valid points.

I'd still tend to think that Roth remembers how releasing his CFTH EP created friction within the band and, while not the key element in the 1985 split, ended up becoming one of many flash points that led to the breakup. Put it this way: at this point there would be no downside to holding off on releasing a new solo project until his contract situation with Van Halen going forward is resolved one way or the other.

I don't really see much REASON for the band to go forward with Roth at this point myself, if it's going to be more of the same that it has been since the ADKOT tour ended. About the only circumstance I'd entertain seeing them again would be if Anthony rejoins the band and reconstitutes the full-on CVH lineup for a last tour. The chances of that happening are probably slim, but even despite everything that has happened I still don't think beyond the realm of possibility (although a Van Hagar lineup reunion might be more probable).

Should CVH reunite, unlike the last Van Halen tour I might not opt to skip seeing THAT.

Then again, if they wait another three years to make a move, I might just as easily no longer give a shit. I didn't care the last time they came around, and that was a first for me.

[ZahZoo]

Seems logical that "a contract situation" may exist... but then again... There's no solid proof that any agreement was inked that covers forward based time elements binding Roth and the Dutch Pricks™.

I believe many of us assume they inked a comprehensive deal. Given the volatility of their past dealings... could very well be they chose a take it, as it goes approach. No future road map... just one-off agreements to divide the spoils when they do agree to do something.

Counting on the Van Halens to continue or not with Roth would involve them actually doing something. I think 2016 is a safe bet nothing gets done...

[DONNIEP]

Should CVH reunite, unlike the last Van Halen tour I might not opt to skip seeing THAT.

Then again, if they wait another three years to make a move, I might just as easily no longer give a shit. I didn't care the last time they came around, and that was a first for me.

Yeah, that's how I felt when they came to town last year - I just didn't care. Friends were asking me if I was going, the day of the show. And I kept saying I don't know yet, maybe. In the end I wound up skipping the show because I just couldn't get excited about it. I don't know if it's because I hate Ed so much or because I didn't want to pay to see the bass player again (ironically he's probably the only decent person out of the bunch), or if it's just that I'm burned out on the whole thing. We've all spent so much time chasing and arguing about and discussing and hanging on that band's every move that I just kinda don't care anymore. I didn't even watch more than a few of the tour videos, Dave seemed to be doing ok in the ones I watched. But I just didn't want to go to the show and didn't regret missing it. Which, like Terry, was a first for me too

[vandeleur]

Here is s wild card option , go make some real money.
Apart from a couple of Thomas cook city breaks to oz and Japan all they did was sell coals to Newcastle meaning you cynical kuntz.

Go play the rest of the world go join these shitty tours that play Rock in rio and Africa and Saudis Arabia and other ridiculous places , come over to Europe and take our money.
They could make a fucking fortune flogging the dead horse over here , it's not even a dead horse over here it is seen so seldom it's like a fucking unicorn.

Some financial retard must have thought of don't release new stuff to people who used to love you ,sell the same old shit to new people or at least people who havent seen you since you supported black sabbath .

It a no brainer .... Jeezus, Dave is still funny in South America . Put a wig on wolf and tell us it's Mike we will believe you . Fuck I thought that was daves hair on the skyscraper tour.

All am ranting is there are options that might mean getting off the sofa to make big money on the name , who cares he has played the same solo for 40 years here is my money .