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  • DaveTheScott
    Head Fluffer
    • Jul 2007
    • 221

    Musings on Latest (Totally Unsubstantiated and Worn Out) Reunion Shite...

    Posted this for amusement in the comments on VHND...now, your postulations, please...

    I'm a Dave loyalist, not a Sammy hater but definitely a "Sammy in VH" hater. Dave is VH. With that out of the way...

    We all know the latest rumble on this is nothing more than media clickbait - or is it? Let's perform an economic analysis. Class is in session.

    ---

    Let's all not lose sight of the fact that given current state, there are practically two VH markets - Dave VH, Sammy VH, or "swirly VH logo" versus "classic VH logo" if you will.

    This is a business challenge which few other bands face - the division of their fan base between two fundamentally different groups. While both are *** extremely *** loyal, theoretically they are never "happy customers" at the same time. This can be a negative, or a positive - depends on the band's (and their management's) decisions.

    It's safe to say that for the most part, the sales of music (and more importantly, the schwag) to those markets is proportionately inverse at any one moment, depending on the state of the band. Let's analyze the issues.

    (1) Ed has effectively countered this imbalance to protect his revenue stream with the successful push of his EVH gear (which is badass, btw).
    (2) Dave may or may not have several projects in the works (John 5, EEAS reunion, etc.).
    (3) Sammy has made his money several times over with booze and Cabo schwag, and basically says he doesn't even need to make music any longer and can retire.
    (4) Mikey has hot sauce, and a new Schecter bass series.
    (5) Wolfgang has Tremonti, maybe Alter Bridge, and who knows what else. Plus, Eddie Van Halen is his dad. Enough said.
    (6) Alex doesn't give a shit.
    (7) Valerie is enjoying a "revival" with her cooking shows, appearances, etc.
    (8) Even Kody the dog has a Facebook and Instagram following. Hell, if they released a Kody Van Halen stuffed doll, people would buy it. Enough said.

    Now, consider the following from a business/marketing perspective:

    (1) While everyone has their fair share of alternate revenue streams, they cannot ignore the glaring fact that there remains an untapped market right now for the dormant "swirly logo" fans. The only way to revive that market base (other than someone dying) is to push a reunion and a tour - IMO, new Van Hagar album would be advised but not mandatory (refer to my loyalty comment above).
    (2) The "classic logo" fans have been drained by three tours worth of tickets, only a handful of "new" (recycled) material, and a bunch of remasters. The only viable way to generate revenue from that group at this point is to either go full international with a tour, or release a new studio album with Dave.

    The only way, therefore, for the VH business to maximize both of those revenue markets would be to have a reunion/combination tour with Sammy-Mike, Dave-Sammy-Mike, Dave-Sammy-Mike-Wolfgang-Kody, or some combination thereof (whacky, I know, but stay with me on this).

    Following outcomes would be achieved:

    (1) This combines the revenue streams
    (2) This pushes yet another era of the band
    (3) As a secondary effect - because everyone is active again, everyone's alternate revenue streams also benefit from the publicity.
    (4) Even the Dave-Sammy feud, which we all know is inevitable and probably largely for show, is good for both markets.
    (5) Finally, from a lifespan perspective, this combined effort would (could) bring a natural closing chapter to the band (if that's the way they want it) - they all announce this is the last tour, they announce retirement
    (6) Both groups of fans walk away satisfied
    (7) There is unity in the universe - and in the bands' wallets.

    If you're awake at this point, feel free to discuss. Or not.

    Love you crazy fuckers. Mean it.
  • Terry
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 11956

    #2
    Well, I'm not really sure at this point exactly how the demographics of people these days willing to pay for 'things Van Halen' breaks down in terms of Roth vs. Hagar fronting the band.

    Put another way, does the swirly vs. classic Van Halen lineup battle even matter now?

    Suffice to say neither Hagar or Roth outside of Van Halen are going to do anything that is going to draw 10-15,000 people into an arena to see it. Not Chickenfoot. Not an EEAS reunion.

    Since 1995, Van Halen has done 5 tours. Only one of those was with a lineup recognizable to masses of people as a 'real' Van Halen lineup, and that was in 2004. The other tours either had Cherone on vocals or Wolfgang on bass. And none of the post-Cherone tours showcased a lineup where one could say everybody onstage was simultaneously knocking it out of the park, performance-wise. Depending on the tour either Ed was fucked up, or Dave wasn't singing properly. Despite all of that, none of the tours were a financial disaster for the band. It wasn't exactly a secret in 2015 that Roth wasn't really up to the task of fronting the band properly anymore, yet all of the dates had strong ticket sales.

    How do you break down the current Van Halen ticket buying audiences? What percentage of those people who attended the last three tours would ONLY go see Van Halen if Roth was fronting the band? How many people who went to see the band in 2004 were going specifically because the band were back together with Hagar? How many people would only go see Van Halen if Hagar was fronting the group, but wouldn't bother with a Roth-led Van Halen? How many people attending shows in the last 11 years would have went regardless of who (Roth or Hagar) was fronting the band, and are going primarily to see Eddie play?

    Is the band actually at a point in terms of box office drawing power where they even have to consider doing a final tour, and is it necessary to bring Michael Anthony back into the group to do that? I mean, it's not like the band suffered any at the box office for going out on the road without Anthony: it's not as if Anthony not being in the group was preventing them from doing any better than they did in terms of venue sizes/capacities.

    If anything, I think all of the misfires, bad choices and fumbled opportunities of the past 20 years have shown that Van Halen's musical legacy and legend is such that no matter how badly the band manages to fuck things up there are still plenty of people willing to pay good money to see 'Van Halen' du jour do their thing. At least for now. How long that lasts is something I can't really guess at. For me, what the band is able to do with Roth these days has reached the ceiling in terms of ambition and ability. They can continue to churn out more Greatest Hits tours with Roth and throw in a few more obscure/deep CVH cuts in the set lists of each subsequent tour. They can record some new material with Roth and go out on another tour, play a few new tracks, a few obscure tracks and the rest of the set list will be the usual tunes you'd expect to hear. It wouldn't exactly be a radical departure from what they've been doing since Roth rejoined the group, but so far it's proven lucrative.

    I don't really see the scenario of Anthony rejoining the group and then having a co-Roth/Hagar VH tour happening. I think Sammy would actually be up for that, but I don't think Roth would be and I don't really think the Van Halens would be, either. Because that means the Van Halens would have to play at least 2 hours + a night every night (assuming Roth and Hagar would each want to do an hour with the band). So who opens? More importantly, who closes?

    For me personally, about the only scenario I'd entertain paying money for at this point is if CVH (that means Anthony, not Wolfie) hits the road for one last tour. Mind you, that's not going to mean some massive improvement over the quality of the shows as they are today or over the last couple of tours. But if the band really wants to bring it on home and end on a high note, I think they need to bring it back to where it began.

    I think a full-on CVH reunion is what people want to see. And I'd bet even fans who preferred the group when Hagar was in it would turn up for such a tour. On the flip side, should the band announce a final tour and the lineup is to be the Van Hagar one, I'd bet those shows will still sell well too, as it would be the last chance to see Eddie play.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • DONNIEP
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 13373

      #3
      Ed sucks cock. If I have to endure another "era" of this retarded band I am going to drive to Ed's house and literally piss on his gate and video the whole thing.
      American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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      • Jetstream
        Foot Soldier
        • Dec 2011
        • 609

        #4
        Originally posted by DONNIEP
        Ed sucks cock. If I have to endure another "era" of this retarded band I am going to drive to Ed's house and literally piss on his gate and video the whole thing.
        You are going about this all wrong. What does Ed love the mostest everest in the entire world? That is right, his electric geetars. I say you steal a few of them dar geetars and hold them hostage and you will be able to make Eduardo do whatever the fuck you want Donnie
        I got lost in the...

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        • DONNIEP
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 13373

          #5
          Originally posted by Jetstream
          You are going about this all wrong. What does Ed love the mostest everest in the entire world? That is right, his electric geetars. I say you steal a few of them dar geetars and hold them hostage and you will be able to make Eduardo do whatever the fuck you want Donnie
          His brain is so fried he wouldn't know the difference between the real Frankie and one of those overpriced replicas he's got hanging in his studio. Matter of fact, I bet I could put a cardboard cut out of Dave in his studio and he'd spend three days yelling and throwing empty beer bottles at it.
          American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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          • Anonymous
            Banned
            • May 2004
            • 12710

            #6
            Originally posted by DONNIEP
            His brain is so fried he wouldn't know the difference between the real Frankie and one of those overpriced replicas he's got hanging in his studio. Matter of fact, I bet I could put a cardboard cut out of Dave in his studio and he'd spend three days yelling and throwing empty beer bottles at it.
            And telling it to leave, and when the cardboard failed to comply, try to push it out of the studio, fail to move it an inch & fall down on the floor wheezing from the exertion.

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            • PETE'S BROTHER
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2007
              • 12678

              #7
              speakin' of wheezin', that damn kiwi got me drunk last nite.
              Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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              • Anonymous
                Banned
                • May 2004
                • 12710

                #8
                Originally posted by PETE'S BROTHER
                speakin' of wheezin', that damn kiwi got me drunk last nite.
                Did he take advantage of you?

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                • DONNIEP
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 13373

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Izzy Moreno
                  Did he take advantage of you?
                  Hopefully. Otherwise what's the point?
                  American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                  • Anonymous
                    Banned
                    • May 2004
                    • 12710

                    #10
                    Exactly. If there wasn't sinful, primal, animalistic sex involved, I don't want to hear it.

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                    • PETE'S BROTHER
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 12678

                      #11
                      i'll have to check the video
                      Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                      • Anonymous
                        Banned
                        • May 2004
                        • 12710

                        #12
                        Oh, we got video!

                        This is promising...

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                        • PETE'S BROTHER
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 12678

                          #13
                          the only lickin' was the inside of beer cans
                          Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            #14
                            Originally posted by PETE'S BROTHER
                            the only lickin' was the inside of beer cans
                            Fags
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • PETE'S BROTHER
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 12678

                              #15
                              naw, ya lick them and they are a bitch to keep lit
                              Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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