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Mate I've seen the news .... It's not trump you need to vote in its snake pliskin
FORD, you've probably seen this by now...
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Just watched it actually. Alex is really doing some heavy trolling this week, between this, and getting in Rove's face the other day. Of course Rove deserved it.
Thought Cenk was gonna rip his head off and mail it back to the Illuminutty for a second.
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I haven't watched the video yet but Alex seems like he's really trying hard to insert himself into the news cycle. I guess his hard core nuts expect that sort of thing from him but it's kinda hard to get your point across when you're acting like a complete lunatic.
Although Jones did do one thing Ford would applaud - he had that Hillary For Prison banner being flown over Cleveland
Sure, I'll applaud him for that one.
The problem with Jones is he is being out nut jobbed by the mainstream ...... He is nearly a liberal
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Well, since we're on a wrestling theme now, maybe Jesse Ventura should be Jill Stein's running mate?
Geez Ford have you no pride..?
Supporting her is like this clown showing up for qualifying at the Daytona 500...
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Well, I'm technically still a Bernie Sanders supporter until the Democratic convention is over. And between the recent Wikileaks revelations and the UNMITIGATED GODDAMNED DISASTER of that fucking arrogant cunt announcing a complete piece of right wing shit like Tim Kaine as her losing mate, I'm still hoping that the delegates will wake the fuck up, take this to the convention floor, and DUMP THAT FUCKING LYING MURDEROUS CRIMINAL CUNT and the Koch funded DLC she rode in on.
In a logical and just world, that is exactly what would happen. But we haven't had such a world since December 12, 2000, so I can't invest a lot of hope in that. Jill Stein is Plan B, but she might become Plan A.... since I want nothing at all to do with a party that absolutely pisses in the face of its base and learns NOTHING from a primary that they only "won" through widespread manipulation and several cases of outright theft.
Not doing enough? He sent in a massive, logistically impossible rescue mission that would have been a bloodbath had it gone off. What fucking more was he to have done?
Um, dummy, Reagan colluded with the Iranians on several occasions and watched them kill 250 Marines in Beirut...
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He oked one mission so complex it was doomed to fail from the get go. Since Ayatolla Khomeini was HCJIC, head camel jockey in charge, Carter could have issued an ultimatum to him to release our people unharmed or face the consequences. As far as I know he never did.
As far as Reagan and the Iranians making deals that lead to the hostages being released when they did is speculation not fact. Another source claimed Iran waited till Reagan took charge because of their hatred for Carter for letting the Shah come here.
Don't know where you come up with this Reagan watched them kill those Marines and others in 83. We'll never know if he did something about it or not.
Well, actually I should have said November 22, 1963, because that was obviously the true beginning of the toilet spiral. It's just that 12/12/2000 is when they dropped the pretense altogether and even so-called "Democrats" like the Clintons began to embrace fascism openly.
He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!
He was the commander in chief and he didn't OK a rescue mission of that importance? Carter let the Shah come here for cancer treatment after he fled Iran and refused to turn him over to the Iranian government to stand trial for crimes he committed against Iranian citzens while he was their leader. That was their main bitch. Saying Carter had nothing to do with it utter nonsense.
He not only OK'ed it he tasked it. He didn't plan it...
So? They took our hostages but we're supposed to return the cunt Shah? Are you on crack?Carter let the Shah come here for cancer treatment after he fled Iran and refused to turn him over to the Iranian government to stand trial for crimes he committed against Iranian citzens while he was their leader. That was their main bitch. Saying Carter had nothing to do with it utter nonsense.
Did any Islamists in Iran stand trial for their atrocities?
You just flip flopped like a dead fish. Here's what you just said:
He didn't "oked" anything. The planners and the JCS did! There was no simple way to get them back with out killing most every one. The speculation has largely been confirmed. Carter had nothing to do with the Shah, he was there since Ike put him back on the throne. They hated all America, not just Carter!
If he OKed it and it failed he failed.
I thought after that Hollywood movie the US history with Iran would have filtered down more by now.
Okdokie maybe not.
What actually happened is that in 1953 the US backed by the UK overthrew the elected democratic Iranian government and replaced it with a twat dictator.
This isn't opinion, this is just plain what happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat
After the hostages were taken as Nick says, your best military minds came up with the rescue plan and it all went horribly wrong. He rolled the dice on a daring raid.In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda. The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government.
Some bad luck and some fuck ups and so on but is that really Carter's fault? Does that make him a pussy?
Never disputed the first part. We did shit like that. Works out ok for a bit then it goes to hell in a hand basket.
The plan was built to fail. Mr Peanut should have recognized that and stopped it before it started. But he was too busy lusting in his heart.
As for the last part I said his inaction made this country look like pussies. If Khomeini had asked the captors to release the hostages they would have. If Iran hadn't released the hostages when they did do you think Reagan would have just sat back and let the next president handle it? There would be no Isis now. No Syrian refugees nothing but oil, sand and radiation.
I disagree, I think we pretty much know exactly what Reagan did and didn't do in Beirut.....There are numerous well-documented accounts of that event online.....
Outside of a few airstrikes and some shells from the New Jersey, there wasn't much of a response at all from the U.S. Comparatively speaking, there was much more of a response from the French, who most people forget had their own Beirut bombing ten minutes after the Marine barracks bombing the same day....
And finally, Reagan ordered the retreat of the Marines from Beirut four months later....
Enough of the no comprende bullshit. We both agree as commander in chief he must have authorized the failed rescue mission. I'm sure he meant well but in hindsight the plan was way too complicated to work. As far as me posting he let them take the hostages I couldn't find that post.
Our disagreement centers on did he do enough to get our people back. I say no, you say yes. I think the people agreed with me when they elected Reagan in a landslide in 1980.
The reason I said we'll never know if Reagan did anything about it or not was because of speculation Reagan ordered some terrorist style payback himself that didn't work out as planned. One of the man differences between the Iranian hostage situation and the Beirut bombing was the Beirut government didn't openly support the bombing. Bombing Beirut in retaliation would be senseless. Bombing Iran on the other hand would have been a damn good idea.
As far as your last statement that was probably a good idea. Leaving them there any longer just made them targets for more attacks.
Ooof...
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