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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58783

    Trump has betrayed the Confederacy! Now you'll have to vote for Jill Stein!
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58783

      Speaking of all things Dixie......

      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • cadaverdog
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Aug 2007
        • 8955

        Originally posted by FORD
        Trump has betrayed the Confederacy! Now you'll have to vote for Jill Stein!
        No big deal. I was born in California. This is my flag. But that does explain Donnie's absence lately.
        Beware of Dog

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        • cadaverdog
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Aug 2007
          • 8955

          Originally posted by FORD
          Speaking of all things Dixie......

          If she said she don't like bush she's full of shit.
          Beware of Dog

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35192



            .....

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            • vandeleur
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Sep 2009
              • 9865

              That's really good , pity it cut off. Am sure this will get some shit without being watched
              fuck your fucking framing

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49203

                Trump's speeches increasingly resemble a man flubbing in a quicksand-like pit filled with his own shit...

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49203

                  LMFAO!!

                  The Triumph the Insult Dog crew troll mindless Trump supporters...



                  RAW Story LINK

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58783

                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • cadaverdog
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 8955

                      Originally posted by FORD
                      Just proves what I've been saying all along. Only pussies fear Trump. Better start fearing Hillary before it's too late.
                      Beware of Dog

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49203

                        Melania Trump Stumbles Upon Dozens Of Husband’s Haunting, Macabre Self-Portraits

                        Melania Trump says she can no longer look at her husband without envisioning his skin peeling off and his entrails spilling out of his abdomen, as he depicted himself in numerous paintings.
                        NEWS
                        August 15, 2016
                        Vol 52 Issue 32 Politics · Politicians · Election 2016 · Donald Trump

                        PALM BEACH, FL—Saying she was still coming to terms with what she had seen several days earlier, Melania Trump told reporters Monday she was left deeply shaken after discovering a secluded attic room in the Mar-a-Lago estate filled with haunting and grotesque self-portraits painted by her husband.

                        The 46-year-old spouse of Donald Trump, who reportedly opened a door she had never before noticed in a seldom-visited wing of the sprawling seaside mansion, is said to have walked into a studio filled with scores of graphically rendered paintings in which the Republican presidential nominee appears badly disfigured, covered in welts and oozing sores, with severely burnt flesh, or screaming in extraordinary agony.

                        “It was the most horrifying thing I’ve ever experienced in my life,” said a visibly upset Melania, who recalled stifling a gasp at the sight of an ornately framed painting in which the man she married sits behind his desk with half his facial skin torn off to reveal the bone and musculature below while black bile pours from his mouth. “At first, I wasn’t even sure what I was looking at, but once I got closer and saw how many times he’d drawn himself with dark, empty holes where his eyes should be, I nearly fainted. They were just so…so disturbing. In one, he’s wearing clown makeup and has this completely vacant smile spreading across his face.”
                        Watch a video slideshow of Donald Trump’s self-portraits.

                        “And there are so many of them,” she continued, trembling. “He must be up there painting every night.”

                        After looking with some trepidation through several dozen self-portraits sitting on easels, scattered on the floor, and, in a few cases, torn to shreds, the Slovenian-born former model said she inspected the dates in the corners of her husband’s canvases and came to the unsettling realization that his art had only grown more unhinged over time.

                        Melania described earlier paintings that merely show Donald staring into a mirror and weeping, or crouched alone and naked beneath a charred tree in a forest burned to ash. But a later series reportedly depicts him in the process of shrinking away to nothing: In the first, the twisted, ghostly form of his body looms large above a city skyline, his eyes glassy and lifeless and his face evidently smeared with his own fecal waste; several portraits later, he appears as a pale, shriveled, barely human creature as a tide of blood washes him down a storm drain.

                        Sources confirmed that many of the works seem to have been defaced by the billionaire mogul’s own hand, with fingernail marks in the paint suggesting he may have frantically clawed away at the spot where his face used to be.

                        “In the middle of the room, away from the rest of the paintings, there was a single canvas covered in a red satin sheet,” said Melania, struggling to compose herself as she spoke. “When I lifted the covering, I saw what appeared to be a simple family portrait of Donald, the children, and me. But after a moment, I noticed his gray, sunken cheeks, his bulging eyes, and the maggots spilling from his ears and nostrils. He had drawn himself as a rotting corpse.”

                        “That’s when I ran out of there as fast as I could,” Melania continued.

                        Though Melania said she has not returned to the studio since fleeing in terror, she confided that the distressing works remain seared into her memory. Especially troubling, she noted, was the 70-year-old candidate’s growing use of a thick russet hue of paint, which she strongly suspected was his own blood.

                        According to reports, Melania has not yet confronted her husband about her discovery.

                        “I’ll lie next to him at night trying to will myself to stay awake, because I know the second I close my eyes, all those horrible images will start swirling around in my mind again,” she said, singling out a decade-old composition in which Donald had painted himself—apparently descended into madness—devouring their then-infant son, Barron. “But what’s worse is that after a while, I’ll look over to his side of the bed and it’s empty.”

                        “And I know he’s up there, painting again,” she added.
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 08-20-2016, 10:12 PM.

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                        • cadaverdog
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 8955

                          When President Trump takes office those pictures will be worth millions.
                          Beware of Dog

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49203

                            I hope so. He can then pay back some of his debt!

                            Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties

                            By SUSANNE CRAIGAUG. 20, 2016

                            Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. An investigation into the real estate holdings of Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, found complex partnerships and debts of at least double the amount to be gleaned from public filings he has made amid his campaign. Credit Damon Winter/The New York Times

                            On the campaign trail, Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, has sold himself as a businessman who has made billions of dollars and is beholden to no one.

                            But an investigation by The New York Times into the financial maze of Mr. Trump’s real estate holdings in the United States reveals that companies he owns have at least $650 million in debt — twice the amount than can be gleaned from public filings he has made as part of his bid for the White House. The Times’s inquiry also found that Mr. Trump’s fortunes depend deeply on a wide array of financial backers, including one he has cited in attacks during his campaign.

                            For example, an office building on Avenue of the Americas in Manhattan, of which Mr. Trump is part owner, carries a $950 million loan. Among the lenders: the Bank of China, one of the largest banks in a country that Mr. Trump has railed against as an economic foe of the United States, and Goldman Sachs, a financial institution he has said controls Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, after it paid her $675,000 in speaking fees.

                            Real estate projects often involve complex ownership and mortgage structures. And given Mr. Trump’s long real estate career in the United States and abroad, as well as his claim that his personal wealth exceeds $10 billion, it is safe to say that no previous major party presidential nominee has had finances nearly as complicated.

                            As president, Mr. Trump would have substantial sway over monetary and tax policy, as well as the power to make appointments that would directly affect his own financial empire. He would also wield influence over legislative issues that could have a significant impact on his net worth, and would have official dealings with countries in which he has business interests.

                            Yet The Times’s examination underscored how much of Mr. Trump’s business remains shrouded in mystery. He has declined to disclose his tax returns or allow an independent valuation of his assets.

                            Earlier in the campaign, Mr. Trump submitted a 104-page federal financial disclosure form. It said his businesses owed at least $315 million to a relatively small group of lenders and listed ties to more than 500 limited liability companies. Though he answered the questions, the form appears to have been designed for candidates with simpler finances than his, and did not require disclosure of portions of his business activities.

                            Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building. If those loans were to go into default, Mr. Trump would not be held liable, the Trump Organization said. The value of his investments, however, would certainly sink.

                            Mr. Trump has said that if he were elected president, his children would be likely to run his company. Many presidents, to avoid any appearance of a conflict, have placed their holdings in blind trusts, which typically involves selling the original asset, and replacing it with different assets unknown to the seller.

                            Mr. Trump’s children seem unlikely to pursue that option.

                            Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota and, from 2005 to 2007, the chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, compared Mr. Trump to Henry M. Paulson Jr., a former chief executive of Goldman Sachs whom Mr. Bush appointed as Treasury secretary.

                            Professor Painter advised Mr. Paulson on his decision to sell his Goldman Sachs shares, saying it was clear that Mr. Paulson could not simply have placed that stock in trust and pretended it did not exist.

                            If Mr. Trump were to use a blind trust, the professor said, it would be “like putting a gold watch in a box and pretending you don’t know it is in there.”
                            ‘We Overdisclosed’

                            “I am the king of debt,” Mr. Trump once said on CNN. “I love debt.” But in his career, debt has sometimes gotten the better of him, leading to at least four business bankruptcies.

                            He is, however, quick to stress that these days his companies have very little debt.

                            Mr. Trump indicated in the financial disclosure form he filed in connection with this campaign that he was worth at least $1.5 billion, and has said publicly that the figure is actually greater than $10 billion. Recent estimates by Forbes and Fortune magazines and Bloomberg have put his worth at less than $5 billion.

                            To gain a better understanding of Mr. Trump’s holdings and debt, The Times engaged RedVision Systems, a national property information firm, to search publicly available data on more than 30 properties in the United States. The Times identified these assets through Federal Election Commission filings, information provided by the Trump Organization and records, such as filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

                            The search covered thousands of pages of public information, including loan documents, land leases and property deeds. It concentrated on Mr. Trump’s commercial holdings, including office towers, golf courses, a vineyard in Virginia and even an industrial building in South Carolina that he ended up with after a troubled business venture involving Donald Trump Jr. The inquiry also examined some of Mr. Trump’s residential properties, including his penthouse apartment on Fifth Avenue and a house he owns in Beverly Hills, Calif. The examination did not include Mr. Trump’s dealings outside the United States.

                            That Mr. Trump seems to have so much less debt on his disclosure form than what The Times found is not his fault, but rather a function of what the form asks candidates to list and how.

                            The form, released by the Federal Election Commission, asks that candidates list assets and debts not in precise numbers, but in ranges that top out at $50 million — appropriate for most candidates, but not for Mr. Trump. Through its examination, The Times was able to discern the amount of debt taken out on each property, and its ownership structure.

                            At 40 Wall Street in Manhattan, a limited liability company, or L.L.C., controlled by Mr. Trump holds the ground lease — the lease for the land on which the building stands. In 2015, Mr. Trump borrowed $160 million from Ladder Capital, a small New York firm, using that long-term lease as collateral. On his financial disclosure form that debt is listed as valued at more than $50 million.

                            Allen Weisselberg, chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, said that Mr. Trump could have left the liability section on the form blank, because federal law requires that presidential candidates disclose personal liabilities, not corporate debt. Mr. Trump, he said, has no personal debt.

                            “We overdisclosed,” Mr. Weisselberg said, explaining that it was decided that when a Trump company owned 100 percent of a property, all of the associated debt would be disclosed, something that he said went beyond what the law required.

                            For properties where a Trump company owned less than 100 percent of a building, Mr. Weisselberg said, those debts were not disclosed.

                            Mr. Trump, for example, has a 50 percent stake in the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas. In 2010, the company that owns the hotel refinanced a $190 million loan, according to Real Capital Analytics, a commercial real estate data and analytics firm.

                            Mr. Weisselberg said that a Trump entity was responsible for half the debt, and that all but $6.4 million of the loan had been paid off.

                            The Times found three other instances in which Mr. Trump had an ownership interest in a building but did not disclose the debt associated with it. In all three cases, Mr. Trump had passive investments in limited liability companies that had borrowed significant amounts of money.

                            One of these investments involves an office tower at 1290 Avenue of Americas, near Rockefeller Center. In a typically complex deal, loan documents show that four lenders — German American Capital, a subsidiary of Deutsche Bank; UBS Real Estate Securities; Goldman Sachs Mortgage Company; and Bank of China — agreed in November 2012 to lend $950 million to the three companies that own the building. Those companies, obscurely named HWA 1290 III LLC, HWA 1290 IV LLC and HWA 1290 V LLC, are owned by three other companies in which Mr. Trump has stakes.

                            Ultimately, through his investments, Mr. Trump is a 30 percent owner of the building, records show. Vornado Realty Trust owns the other 70 percent and is the controlling partner.

                            A similar ownership structure is in place at 555 California Street in San Francisco, formerly the Bank of America Center. There, Pacific Life Insurance Company and Metropolitan Life Insurance Company lent $600 million in 2011 to a limited liability company of which Vornado owns 70 percent and Mr. Trump owns 30 percent.

                            Green Street Advisors, a real estate research firm, estimates the combined value of the two buildings to be about $3.7 billion.

                            On a smaller scale, Mr. Trump also has a 4 percent partnership interest in a company that has an interest in a large Brooklyn housing complex, and owes roughly $410 million to Wells Fargo, according to Bloomberg data.

                            The full terms of Mr. Trump’s limited partnerships are not known. The current value of the loans connected to them is roughly $1.95 billion, according to various public documents.

                            Mr. Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, said that neither Mr. Trump nor the company were responsible for the debt associated with the limited partnerships.

                            Still, as with all of the properties in which Mr. Trump holds an interest, the value of the buildings as well as the terms and magnitude of their debt could have a major impact on his personal fortune.

                            Mr. Trump, Mr. Weisselberg added, was liable for a “small percentage of the corporate debt” listed on the federal filing but would not elaborate.

                            Other instances in which Mr. Trump could be personally responsible can be found in public filings. He guaranteed as much as $26 million for the loan taken out against his land lease at 40 Wall Street, money the lender could take if certain things went wrong.

                            The United States Office of Government Ethics, which reviewed Mr. Trump’s financial filing before the F.E.C. released it, said it does not comment on submissions by individual candidates.

                            The agency’s procedures for staff members reviewing presidential submissions, a copy of which was obtained by The Times through a Freedom of Information Act request, say the Office of Government Ethics does not audit reports for accuracy.

                            “Disclosures are to be taken at ‘face value’ as correct, unless there is a patent omission or ambiguity or the official has independent knowledge of matters outside the report,” the procedures say.
                            A Web of Investments

                            Tracing the ownership of many of Mr. Trump’s buildings can be a complicated task. Sometimes he owns a building and the land underneath it; sometimes, he holds a partial interest or just the commercial portion of a property.

                            And in some cases, the identities of his business partners are obscured behind limited liability companies — raising the prospect of a president with unknown business ties.

                            At 40 Wall Street, Mr. Trump does not own even a sliver of the actual land; his long-term ground lease gives him the right to improve and manage the building. The land is owned by two limited liability companies; Mr. Trump pays the two entities a total of $1.6 million a year for the ground lease, according to documents filed with the S.E.C.

                            The majority owner, 40 Wall Street Holdings Corporation, owns 80 percent of the land; New Scandic Wall Limited Partnership owns the rest, according to public documents. New Scandic Wall Limited Partnership’s chief executive is Joachim Ferdinand von Grumme-Douglas, a businessman based in Europe, according to these documents.
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                            The people behind 40 Wall Street Holdings are harder to identify. For years, Germany’s Hinneberg family, which made its fortune in the shipping industry, controlled the property through a company called 40 Wall Limited Partnership. In late 2014, their interest in the land was transferred to a new company, 40 Wall Street Holdings. The Times was not able to identify the owner or owners of this company, and the Trump Organization declined to comment.

                            Mr. Trump has long-term ground leases on several other properties, including a golf course in New York’s Hudson Valley and retail space in Midtown Manhattan. Private owners are also behind these leases, their identities sometimes obscured by L.L.C.s.

                            Mr. Trump’s status in these situations is indicated by the word tenant, which is listed under his signature on many of the relevant documents.

                            Mr. Trump also holds a ground lease on the almost-completed Trump International Hotel in the Old Post Office building in Washington, a few blocks from the White House. The federal government, which owns the land, gave a 60-year lease to Trump Old Post Office, a limited liability company controlled by Mr. Trump and members of his family. In return, the government receives a minimum of $3 million a year from the company.

                            Mr. Weisselberg said that despite his holdings, Mr. Trump should not be held to the same standards that might apply to the heads of companies in highly regulated industries.

                            “If you take away all the fancy stuff and so on and so forth, and the five-star ratings, you are basically down to a closely held family-run business that is fundamentally different from IBM or Exxon,” Mr. Weisselberg said, quoting from an email he had received from Donald F. McGahn, a lawyer and former chairman of the F.E.C. who advised Mr. Trump on his federal filing. Mr. McGahn did not return calls for comment.

                            Others disagree. Mr. Trump’s opaque portfolio of business ties makes him potentially vulnerable to the demands of banks, and to business people in the United States and abroad, said Professor Painter, the former chief White House ethics lawyer.

                            “The success of his empire depends on an ability to get credit, to get loans extended to his business entities,” he said. “And we simply don’t know a lot about his financial dealings, here or around the world.”

                            David W. Chen contributed reporting, and Susan C. Beachy contributed research.

                            NY TIMES LINK

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                            • cadaverdog
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 8955

                              Trump is a businessman. He makes money from real estate. How do the Clintons make money? By Bubba making speeches. Who pays Bubba to make speeches? Companies that want something that can't just hand Bubba the money and say "get er done". Bubba and Mrs Bubba are two of the most corrupt politicians of all time. Some people think JFK was assassinated because his father made promises to get him elected JFK didn't keep. Obviously Bubba keeps his promises or someone would have offed him by now. I don't buy into Ford's BCE bullshit but I do think Saudi Arabia is behind much of the trouble in the middle east and they have been paying people like Bubba, his wife and others to make sure they don't get caught which has worked out pretty well for them so far.
                              That being said we have a choice of electing an unscrupulousness businessman or a corrupt politician who has been selling out her own country for decades. Anyone who can't see the media keeps bringing up the e mail bullshit and backing away from Benghazi is because no one cares that she may or may not have used an unauthorized server or whatever she used that may or may not have compromised confidential information but people might not be as forgiving if it was proven she was using the consulate in Benghazi to smuggle arms to Syrian rebels and got those people killed by keeping security there less than adequate to make it look like they were just there for diplomatic reasons. She claims she wasn't aware they were practically begging for more security but I don't believe that for a second. Liberals who know she's corrupt and is probably guilty of things much more heinous than we could ever imagine are going to end up getting the bitch elected just because she's not a republican or a conservative. You want everyone to assume Trump's going to do something stupid but you know for a fact Hillary is going to serve her own best interests first and the country's best interests last just like she's been doing the last 8 years.
                              Beware of Dog

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49203

                                He's a con artist that has used his family name and has a completely sketchy record of bankruptcies, fucking-over contractors, and deceptive and boastful comments regarding his wealth. He also might be owned by the Russians and Chinese...

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