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  • cadaverdog
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Aug 2007
    • 8955

    Originally posted by vandeleur

    "Sir, they are a race of convicts and ought to be grateful for anything we allow them short of hanging " Samuel Johnson
    most of you wont know who he is its a history thing.
    He was an old English cock gobbler who thought Britain would be victorious in the American Revolution. He was wrong.
    Beware of Dog

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    • vandeleur
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Sep 2009
      • 9865

      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      He was an old English cock gobbler who thought Britain would be victorious in the American Revolution. He was wrong.
      You still going on about that ..... You lot ain't done shit since

      And yeh that's what he is famous for
      fuck your fucking framing

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      • DONNIEP
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 13373

        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        He was an old English cock gobbler who thought Britain would be victorious in the American Revolution. He was wrong.
        For some reason that made Def Leppard's Gods of War start playing in my head. Not the whole song, cause most of the lyrics are pussified tree hugger Hippie shit, but the end at about 5:30 - that's some bad ass shit.

        Of course, the liberals and farners seem to think absorbing attacks from a buncha Terries is how you show them we love them but I say kick their nuts slap off. And yes, I'd go in a minute. Just so long as I get to pick my personal load out and there's lots of beer. And I best get to ride into battle with my Flag. And beers. And snacks. And I want a big ass jam box playing this on a loop:



        I may have gotten off topic but I'm on vacation and drankin so yeah. America!!
        American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58787

          Johnson's bio said he was a "devout Anglican and a committed Tory". In other words, he was the 18th century version of the Religious Right. Sounds like somebody who would be cdog & Donnie's hero.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • cadaverdog
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Aug 2007
            • 8955

            Originally posted by vandeleur
            You still going on about that ..... You lot ain't done shit since
            We'll remember that the next time you beg for our help.
            Beware of Dog

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            • cadaverdog
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Aug 2007
              • 8955

              Originally posted by FORD
              Johnson's bio said he was a "devout Anglican and a committed Tory". In other words, he was the 18th century version of the Religious Right. Sounds like somebody who would be cdog & Donnie's hero.
              I haven't stepped inside a church other than to work since I was 18. Church is too much about death for my liking.
              Beware of Dog

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              • vandeleur
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Sep 2009
                • 9865

                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                We'll remember that the next time you beg for our help.

                And you lot rush in at the last minute just as we're about to win and grab the glory
                fuck your fucking framing

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                • cadaverdog
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 8955

                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  And you lot rush in at the last minute just as we're about to win and grab the glory :
                  I bet that discussion goes on every night at the local pub after you and your limey cohorts get a few broon ales in ya.
                  Beware of Dog

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                  • Satan
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6664

                    Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                    Originally posted by Sockfucker
                    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                    • Kristy
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 16338

                      Tom Tomorrow is a dick.

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                      • Satan
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6664

                        Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                        Originally posted by Sockfucker
                        I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35195

                          21 questions for Donald Trump - and people worry about Clinton's honesty?




                          21 Questions For Donald Trump





                          I have covered Donald Trump off and on for 27 years — including breaking the story that in 1990, when he claimed to be worth $3 billion but could not pay interest on loans coming due, his bankers put his net worth at minus $295 million. And so I have closely watched what Trump does and what government documents reveal about his conduct.

                          Reporters, competing Republican candidates, and voters would learn a lot about Trump if they asked for complete answers to these 21 questions.

                          Here are 21 Questions for Donald Trump:

                          So, Mr. Trump…

                          1. You call yourself an “ardent philanthropist,” but have not donated a dollar to The Donald J. Trump Foundation since 2006. You’re not even the biggest donor to the foundation, having given about $3.7 million in the previous two decades while businesses associated with Vince McMahon’s World Wrestling Entertainment gave the Trump Foundation $5 million. All the money since 2006 has come from those doing business with you.

                          How does giving away other people’s money, in what could be seen as a kickback scheme, make you a philanthropist?

                          2. New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman successfully sued you, alleging your Trump University was an “illegal educational institution” that charged up to $35,000 for “Trump Elite” mentorships promising personal advice from you, but you never showed up and your “special” list of lenders was photocopied from Scotsman Guide, a magazine found at any bookstore.

                          Why did you not show up?

                          3. You claimed The Learning Annex paid you a $1 million speaking fee, but on Larry King Live, you acknowledged the fee was $400,000 and the rest was the promotional value.

                          Since you have testified under oath that your public statements inflate the value of your assets, can voters use this as a guide, so whenever you say $1, in reality it is only 40 cents?

                          4. The one-page financial statement handed out at Trump Tower when you announced your candidacy says you’ve given away $102 million worth of land.

                          Will you supply a list of each of these gifts, with the values you assigned to them?

                          5. The biggest gift you have talked about appears to be an easement at the Palos Verdes, California, golf course bearing your name on land you wanted to build houses on, but that land is subject to landslides and is now the golf course driving range.

                          Did you or one of your businesses take a tax deduction for this land that you could not build on and do you think anyone should get a $25 million tax deduction for a similar self-serving gift?

                          6. Trump Tower is not a steel girder high rise, but 58 stories of concrete.

                          Why did you use concrete instead of traditional steel girders?

                          7. Trump Tower was built by S&A Concrete, whose owners were “Fat” Tony Salerno, head of the Genovese crime family, and Paul “Big Paul” Castellano, head of the Gambinos, another well-known crime family.

                          If you did not know of their ownership, what does that tell voters about your management skills?

                          8. You later used S&A Concrete on other Manhattan buildings bearing your name.

                          Why?

                          9. In demolishing the Bonwit Teller building to make way for Trump Tower, you had no labor troubles, even though only about 15 unionists worked at the site alongside 150 Polish men, most of whom entered the country illegally, lacked hard hats, and slept on the site.

                          How did you manage to avoid labor troubles, like picketing and strikes, and job safety inspections while using mostly non-union labor at a union worksite — without hard hats for the Polish workers?

                          10. A federal judge later found you conspired to cheat both the Polish workers, who were paid less than $5 an hour cash with no benefits, and the union health and welfare fund. You testified that you did not notice the Polish workers, whom the judge noted were easy to spot because they were the only ones on the work site without hard hats.

                          What should voters make of your failure or inability to notice 150 men demolishing a multi-story building without hard hats?

                          11. You sent your top lieutenant, lawyer Harvey I. Freeman, to negotiate with Ken Shapiro, the “investment banker” for Nicky Scarfo, the especially vicious killer who was Atlantic City’s mob boss, according to federal prosecutors and the New Jersey State Commission on Investigation.

                          Since you emphasize your negotiating skills, why didn’t you negotiate yourself?

                          12. You later paid a Scarfo associate twice the value of a lot, officials determined.

                          Since you boast that you always negotiate the best prices, why did you pay double the value of this real estate?

                          13. You were the first person recommended for a casino license by the New Jersey Attorney General’s Division of Gaming Enforcement, which opposed all other applicants or was neutral. Later it came out in official proceedings that you had persuaded the state to limit its investigation of your background.

                          Why did you ask that the investigation into your background be limited?

                          14. You were the target of a 1979 bribery investigation. No charges were filed, but New Jersey law mandates denial of a license to anyone omitting any salient fact from their casino application.

                          Why did you omit the 1979 bribery investigation?

                          15. The prevailing legal case on license denials involved a woman, seeking a blackjack dealer license, who failed to disclose that as a retail store clerk she had given unauthorized discounts to friends.

                          In light of the standard set for low-level license holders like blackjack dealers, how did you manage to keep your casino license?

                          16. In 1986 you wrote a letter seeking lenient sentencing for Joseph Weichselbaum, a convicted marijuana and cocaine trafficker who lived in Trump Tower and in a case that came before your older sister, Judge Maryanne Trump Barry of U.S. District Court in Newark, New Jersey, who recused herself because Weichselbaum was the Trump casinos and Trump family helicopter consultant and pilot.

                          Why did you do business with Weichselbaum, both before and after his conviction?

                          17. Your first major deal was converting the decrepit Commodore Hotel next to Grand Central Station into a Grand Hyatt. Mayor Abe Beame, a close ally of your father Fred, gave you the first-ever property tax abatement on a New York City hotel, worth at least $400 million over 40 years.

                          Since you boast that you are a self-made billionaire, how do you rationalize soliciting and accepting $400 million of welfare from the taxpayers?

                          18. You say that your experience as a manager will allow you to run the federal government much better than President Obama or Hillary Clinton. On Fortune Magazine’s 1999 list of the 496 most admired companies, your casino company ranked at the bottom – worst or almost worst in management, use of assets, employee talent, long-term investment value, and social responsibility. Your casino company later went bankrupt.

                          Why should voters believe your claims that you are a competent manager?

                          19. Your Trump Plaza casino was fined $200,000 for discriminating against women and minority blackjack dealers to curry favor with gambler Robert Libutti, who lost $12 million, and who insisted he never asked that blacks and women be replaced.

                          Why should we believe you “love” what you call “the blacks” and the enterprise you seek to lead would not discriminate again in the future if doing so appeared to be lucrative?

                          20. Public records (cited in my book Temples of Chance) show that as your career took off, you legally reported a negative income and paid no income taxes as summarized below:

                          1975
                          Income: $76,210
                          Tax Paid: $18,714

                          1976
                          Income: $24,594
                          Tax Paid: $10,832

                          1977
                          Income: $118,530
                          Tax Paid: $42,386

                          1978
                          Income: ($406,379)
                          Tax Paid: $0

                          1979
                          Income: ($3,443,560)
                          Tax Paid: $0

                          Will you release your tax returns? And if not, why not?

                          21. In your first bestselling book, The Art of the Deal, you told how you had not gotten much work done on your first casino, so you had crews dig and fill holes to create a show. You said one director of your partner, Holiday Inns, asked what was going on. “This was difficult for me to answer, but fortunately this board member was more curious than he was skeptical,” you wrote.

                          Given your admission that you used deception to hide your failure to accomplish the work, why should we believe you now?

                          Photo: Kevin T. Gilbert/NBC Universal
                          The journalist then goes through these on this weeks Harry Shearer's radio show

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                          • Satan
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6664

                            OK, one of our friends from across the pond is going to have to translate this one.....



                            hoofwanking bunglecunt??
                            Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                            Originally posted by Sockfucker
                            I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                            • vandeleur
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 9865

                              I've seen the comedian Al Murray use the insult or a version of it , I also seen that tweet and Katie Hopkins is fucking horrible ,she is an ambulance chasing nobody who got minor celebrity by saying controversial mean things. I can see why he likes her.
                              fuck your fucking framing

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                              • Seshmeister
                                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                                • Oct 2003
                                • 35195

                                Frankie nailed it this week...


                                Trump is casting himself as a solution to immigration and unemployment, Clinton is a cynical power player and a Sanders presidency would certainly be entertaining …




                                Donald Trump has the manner of an arrogant televangelist suspected of murder by Columbo

                                Frankie Boyle




                                In this tumultuous US election there seems, for once, to be a genuine choice on offer about which kind of ideas will spend four years being thwarted in a congressional logjam. This year’s race has already spawned thousands of newspaper articles and even a Book of Revelation. It’s actually hard to find a clip of Donald Trump’s campaign that doesn’t look like a RoboCop insert. Then again, saying that a US election is particularly ridiculous is a bit like saying that Towie has jumped the shark. Unfortunately, even the most horrified coverage of this depraved contest assumes that it’s the election that’s the problem and not the society that produces it.

                                American elections are traditionally held on a Tuesday. This is because it allowed people to worship on Sunday, go to the town hall on Monday, vote on Tuesday and leave Wednesday clear for market. In Britain, we have elections on a Thursday because everyone was too pissed on a Friday. American elections always seem incredibly complicated to us, which is probably a bit rich when we’re about to have a nationwide referendum on Europe to decide who’s going to be running the Tory party.

                                One feature of this election is the way that the elite of the Republican party seem to have become completely estranged from their own electorate. Of course, they always worked against the interests of their voters, but they used to at least understand who they were and what they wanted. With almost infinite resources, the closest they’ve got to producing a popular candidate is Ted Cruz: a cross between a permanently disappointed sitcom vampire and the high school yearbook photo of every serial killer of the modern era.

                                The Republicans seem to be shocked that the result of decades of polarising rhetoric is a polarised society. The conservative establishment has spoken in a language of constant crisis, despite being ridiculously well served by the status quo, and it’s surprising how well the fear campaign has worked, considering that most of the country is on anti-anxiety medication. Conservatives have focused on false crises of international terror and immigration, little recognising that many voters have been equating that narrative with their own real crises of unemployment, debt and foreclosure. Donald Trump has simply cast himself as a solution. Trump is in many ways just saying what the other candidates would say on cocaine, but he’s also a unity candidate. His hope is to bring all of America together in their rejection of reality.

                                Trump divides his time between working some kind of King Ralph angle, and claiming that he’s going to make the US great again by using his business experience. We can only assume that means repeatedly declaring it bankrupt, then changing its name so he can just shake off all the debt. Trump’s one liberal policy seems to be his desire to pump more funding into mental health – which I’ve taken the liberty of interpreting as a massive cry for help. You can actually make your own Trump policies by going through the incinerator at the Daily Mail and picking through the dust for anything they thought might get them prosecuted. His position on climate change is “How can there be global warming when it’s still so cold in my soul?”

                                For anyone who has ever asked why the US needs to address the issue of reparations for its history of slavery, Donald Trump is why. He is the living embodiment of America’s unresolved issues. “How on earth can America consider expelling people of a different faith?!” an appalled England asks of a country created by the people they expelled for having a different faith. If you’re small, black and always felt that you didn’t have the confidence to crowd surf, Trump’s political rallies must come as a godsend. God knows who you vote for if you’re black in the USA – I guess all the politicians think black people are too preoccupied with videoing the police with their one lowered hand. Interestingly, in Nevada 45% of Latino votes went to Trump. Perhaps this indicates that people’s identities are more sophisticated than the clumsy definitions that political machinery uses to appraise them. Indeed, the very idea of racial groups as homogeneous is probably only possible in a racist society.

                                Trump seems to have the emotional range of a Power Rangers villain and the social skills of a teenage Minotaur. He looks like a pumpkin having a nervous breakdown, talks like the words are being fired out of his mouth by a tennis ball launcher and has the general manner of an arrogant televangelist suspected of murder by Columbo. His approach to public speaking? “If in doubt, switch to your internal monologue.” His core demographic? Possibly men whose holiday destinations would significantly overlap with a list of missing women. Trump is bringing out people who’ve never voted, people who felt they had no one to speak for them until now, people who throw microwaved beans at the television and people who go shopping in their pyjamas. And who knows, if Trump’s supporters are using their eight-fingered fists to make banners and red hats rather than drunkenly beating their kid into a coma that they won’t let a black doctor treat, maybe that’s a good thing. Trump knows that he appeals to people who are suspicious not just of political elites but everything those elites believe in, including rationality, and when confronted with anything empirical instinctively retreats into unverifiable anecdotes.

                                Trump/Sanders might actually end up being an interesting election centring on detailed arguments about trade and jobs, and Trump might come off really badly, as these are areas on which he has the firm grasp of a stroke victim eating an eclair. It’s certainly been entertaining to watch Sanders try to convey a message of hope through the dark prism of the US’s Stage 4 corporate media. Aside from all the obvious problems of inherent bias, he has to energise people by asking them to engage in the passive activity of watching him on television, has to ask for activism and a more sophisticated understanding of political problems through a medium that is all about voyeurism and simplification. It reminds me of when you used to see communists in the city centre of a Saturday, trying to explain Marxism to people while they were out shopping.

                                A Bernie Sanders presidency would certainly be entertaining, not least because at 74 by the end of a second term he’ll think that he’s Beyonce. If you want a president who’s going to sort out healthcare, the ideal incumbent is someone who’s going to be using it a lot, really soon. Then again, if there’s one advantage to being the first socialist president of the United States, it’s that dying of old age isn’t really going to be a big worry. Sanders will be the first Jewish man to run for president and Republican elites seem to hate everything about Jews, except Israel. It says something about the incredible strength of antisemitism that paranoid ideas about Jews controlling the media and banking systems persist even among the people who control the media and banking systems.

                                Hillary Clinton hasn’t really had any idea how to deal with Sanders. To continue to calmly explain why someone ahead of you in general election polling is unelectable (and Clinton hates to see a leader being unelectable, unless they’re a dictator in some vassal state) suggests that some of her personal stiffness has seeped into what seems increasingly a detached and inflexible campaign. On the campaign trail, she’s a cynical power player projecting the weary joy of a shopping mall Santa while inside her burns the fury of Michael Corleone having to do a meet and greet at a farmers’ market in Idaho. She seems to shake hands with each member of the public as if musing on all the things she could do to them if only they were Libyan.

                                I know this all sounds like a lazy swipe at Clinton for being an uncaring android, and of course it is, but there’s a serious point. The sort of presentation strategy that would work best against Trump – a tireless public servant saddened at having to deal with the insults of a reality show star – is probably well outwith her abilities as a performer. Also, Trump fares best against candidates who he can paint as opportunistic insiders subservient to corporate interests, and Clinton can only accentuate those qualities as she pivots to the right to take him on. The sentiments she has to fake in a campaign – joy, relaxation, a desire to reach out to people – are all incredibly difficult for her. Luckily, the palette of emotions we can expect of her presidency – bitter triumph, cynicism and indifference – are well within her range.

                                Clinton will very likely beat Trump decisively because he is even more unpopular with Republicans than she is with Democrats. There’s every chance that conservative donor money will start to flow towards Clinton who at least knows to speak very carefully about the things that really matter, like trade deals. At least we’ll get the entertainment of watching her trying to destroy Isis using the methods by which she helped to create Isis, turning the Middle East into an endless game of Whac-A-Mole. For America, and indeed the rest of the world, Clinton versus Trump will be like being on a bus being driven at high speed towards a cliff by a psychopath, where there’s a chance that a chimpanzee might grab control of the steering wheel. It’s not a question of whether this will make things better or worse, it’s more that the whole idea of “better” may be gradually ceasing to exist.

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