David Lee Roth people vs. Sammy Hagar people

[chuckjitsu]

What were Ed and Al's reaction to the Crazy From the Heat album? Were they pissed that he did it? Did they think it was crap? Did they not care? I don't remember reading anything that talked about their reaction to it.

[Etienne]

What were Ed and Al's reaction to the Crazy From the Heat album? Were they pissed that he did it? Did they think it was crap? Did they not care? I don't remember reading anything that talked about their reaction to it.

1985 EVH was happy to be no more under Dave's spell.

Source: http://www.jackaboutguitars.com/ed-v...en-by-scott-l/

[twonabomber]

Trump shit moved!

[binnie]

I can end an argument about the merits (or not) of Sammy Hagar with one word.

















































































































Chickenfoot.

[cadaverdog]

It's cadavers fault - we could split and merge the last page with the Frump thread...

Liar liar panties on fire. Take that back or I'll sue you for slander or libel or both. I've got Perry Mason and Matlock on retainer just waiting to sue someone. Make my day.

[cadaverdog]

Trump shit moved!

Then why can I still see it here?

[Terry]

I'll continue this Sam lovefest! Seriously though, it's hard to argue with his business success. The Van Halens screwed themselves in the Cabo Wabo Cantina deal. The place was struggling and they panicked and wanted to be bought out. Sam gutted it out and turned the place around, then the Van Halens complain about losing out on the deal!

Terry mentioned it earlier in this thread, but I also have to give the guy credit for helping to sustain VH's success, especially in the 90s. How many of their general peers were still going platinum and filling arenas in '95? AC/DC? Ozzy? Not many.

My main annoyances with him are overestimating the size/importance of his pre VH solo years, exaggerations about the number of records VH sold during his time in the band and the constant hat-hanging on the number 1 albums.

And lastly, look at the volume of work he's put out there since leaving VH vs. what VH has done during that same time period. Not even fucking close. The guy is also fan friendly vs. one of the least fan friendly bands out there.

Well, now that I got Sam up for breakfast, I'm going to take a long hot shower and see if I can scrub myself clean!

The fact is that Roth left Van Halen in 1985. And I never thought Sammy was more responsible for Van Halen churning out synth power pop than Ed was once he joined. It's not as if Hagar pushed Roth out of the band and then made them play that material. And it's not as if Hagar rejoining the band in 2003 for a few songs and a tour was something he did to stand in the way of Roth rejoining: Roth and the Van Halens tried to get their shit together in 1996 and a few times in the early 2000s, and couldn't make it work. Hagar didn't have anything to do with any of that. And what is one to make of Van Halen's mediocre output since Roth rejoined the group a decade ago? Is one to blame Hagar for that, too?

Hagar jumping in and contributing to the back and forth between Roth and the Van Halens in the press after Roth's departure was annoying to read, as is Hagar's consistent overestimation of how many records he sold, but after awhile it just became more funny than anything else to read comments Hagar made where he actually equates himself with the Beatles or Led Zeppelin in artistic terms.

Hagar's not even worth hating, though. His music output is (and always has been) just mundane, mediocre, safe and middle-of-the-road, none of which can really inspire one to loathe it. His stuff is as forgettable as it is easily ignored.

Plus, now the guy is...what, pushing 70? Who cares anymore?

[cadaverdog]

Hagar's not even worth hating, though. His music output is (and always has been) just mundane, mediocre, safe and middle-of-the-road, none of which can really inspire one to loathe it. His stuff is as forgettable as it is easily ignored.

I disagree. His first gig with Montrose netted one album of decent music.

[FORD]

The lyrics were still typical juvenile Hagar dreck though...

Ooh, the last time I seen your face,
Swore that no one'd take your place!
Now, since you been gone, I been feelin' a-bad, yeah!
I come out to your place – I'm afraid of your dad.

[cadaverdog]

The lyrics were still typical juvenile Hagar dreck though...

Ooh, the last time I seen your face,
Swore that no one'd take your place!
Now, since you been gone, I been feelin' a-bad, yeah!
I come out to your place – I'm afraid of your dad.

Most of the live versions I've heard he says I'm afraid of your dog. Bad Motor Scooter is one of those I used to think it was cool but not so much now songs. Now that I think about it Rock Candy is the only song on there that I think is above average. Gotta admit I like a few Sammy solo songs that are not exactly hard rock classics. I had one of his best of CDs that got occaisonal play. First time I met Ace Diamond I put a Sammy CD in my CD player in my SUV so it would start playing as soon as I started it up just to fuck with him. He was not amused.

[Terry]

I disagree. His first gig with Montrose netted one album of decent music.

I was never particularly impressed with Montrose, truth be told. Some decent ideas on an instrumental level.

Put it this way: I don't hold Montrose in nearly the amount of high esteem so many music critics/rock fans seem to.

[Seshmeister]

Me too - maybe you have to have been old enough to hear it at the time but Montrose does nothing for me.

Hagar solo to me is shitty always has been although to be honest he was never really on the radar in Europe pre Van Halen.

[Seshmeister]

First time I met Ace Diamond I put a Sammy CD in my CD player in my SUV so it would start playing as soon as I started it up just to fuck with him. He was not amused.

You met Ace Diamond...?

[twonabomber]

A meeting of the mindless.

[Terry]

Me too - maybe you have to have been old enough to hear it at the time but Montrose does nothing for me.

Hagar solo to me is shitty always has been although to be honest he was never really on the radar in Europe pre Van Halen.

Possibly, as you say, at the time of its release (which was, what, 1973?) it came across as something somewhat unique. A slight forerunner to that Ted Nugent-style of mid to late 1970s American hard rock.

Someone played it for me in the mid-1980s, and my reaction then was it sounded like very dated hard rock. And the Nugent comparison I made wasn't exactly a plus, mostly because I've never cared much for Nugent anyway. And as Ford said, the lyrics on that album are typical mediocre Hagar stuff. Much like Van Halen after Hagar joined, the best parts of that first Montrose record for me were the instrumentation rather than the vocals. Because back then as it came to be later, Hagar is an average singer who sings average lyrics.

For whatever reasons, a bunch of people cite that first Montrose record as "highly influential" but for me whatever influence it had was limited to other acts who had their high-water marks in the 1970s.