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I bet she'd kill to have that seat.
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How do these people scream that Trump can't be CIC because he never served in the military, but then suggest that Baby Clinton or Michelle Obama run for president?
Shit, I mixed up two stories. But I'm sure Chelsea's Congress run would be followed by a presidential campaign. Maybe she'll be shunned like Jeb Bush was.
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Look, I voted for Hillary. I don't regret that vote for a moment.
The Clintons should just stop in terms of seeking political office. I'm not even sure they should be a public force/face in terms of the Democratic Party anymore.
If the immediate results of the election - and the amount of support Sanders got in the Democratic primaries - have shown anything, it is that a lot of working class voters have felt left behind in the economy. While it may well be the case that no president is going to bring back a meaningful amount of decent paying manufacturing jobs, the working class used to be a base of support the Democratic Party could count on. It wasn't that long ago when this was the case. The Democratic Party has to start addressing concerns about wages, because without jobs that can provide a decent living all of the social progress doesn't amount to much for working class people.
The Clintons abandoned the working class. NAFTA was the beginning, and in the years since Bill Clinton's presidency the Clintons are more associated with the coastal elite Ted Talk set than average Americans, and for justifiable reasons. Chelsea getting paid upwards of half a million to go on tv and interview the GEICO Gekko makes her just as culpable as either of her parents to those charges of working class abandonment, along with her stewardship of The Clinton Foundation (and all of the money for access/pay-for-play it entails that even a proud supporter of Hillary's can't deny). Were it the case that all of the various dealings the Clintons had undertaken resulted in higher wages and greater benefits for the working class, MAYBE the tradeoff would have been worth it.
That has not been the case.
Hillary's loss is an opportunity for the Democratic Party to stop clinging to the Clintons in hopes of a restoration, mostly because the Clintons haven't produced much that has really benefitted the working class. Trump's working class voters intuited this, which may be why they decided a long shot (Trump) was better than no shot at all.
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It's funny, actually. These people who claim they would back either of these women for office are the very same ones running around screaming about unearned privileges. Doesnt make sense, but then again neither does running around screaming love trumps hate while they're jerking people out of cars and smashing windows and all the rest of that nonsense.
From your analysis, you should have voted for Trump or any other alternative not H.
From my point of view, a Trump Presidency is the best thing that happened to America, its people and the media. If Trump can run your country like a business for 4 years, America will be great again just by getting rid of the fat and lazy of your government. And for those that think Trump is a failure because he has bankrupted a few times and all that crap we hear in the media..., Just try and set up 200+ operations without any failure...
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My own preference would have been to vote for Sanders. As much as he was essentially a one-issue candidate, the issue he spoke to is the issue I care most about. However, I don't care about that issue to the exclusion of everything else.
Regardless, even when focusing on that one issue, there's nothing I can find in the entirety of Trump's business career (even putting the relative success and failure of his various business ventures to one side) that wasn't undertaken on the single, overriding premise of one solitary idea: the enriching of Donald Trump. The Republican party that controls both houses of the Legislative Branch are in favor of economic policies that explicitly favor the top tier of earners: the rest of us live in a society where we are basically free to fail. De-unionized in right to work states with no safety net. One can make some sort of counter-argument that the Democratic party in effect favors those same policies, and that may well be true in practice, but that doesn't change or alter the nature of what the Republican party is.
So, there isn't going to be a massive federally subsidized infrastructure project that could create a substantive amount of jobs for the working class, regardless of Trump actually wanting to propose it or not. Corporate taxes have been steadily reduced for the last 3 & 1/2 decades, and wages for the lower economic classes have not risen in proportion: the rich got richer, and the rest can suck it because they're losers. Perhaps some think that is the way things ought to be. I wonder how lower income Trump voters are going to feel when the top tier tax brackets, already among the lowest among industrialized societies, get slashed even further and they see no net results on their own bottom line. Or how they're going to feel when the jobs don't come back because Trump will never implement a tax code that actually penalizes companies from reconstituting their manufacturing processes abroad. Maybe their response will be the same giggles they got from watching Trump say "You're fired" on Celebrity Apprentice, only with a new slogan: "Suck it, you're losers."
As to the racist-tinged authoritarianism that pervaded Trump's rallies and campaign speeches, well, I find it odd that those who voted for Trump are upset that they are being called racists. Even those who were doing it as an anti-Hillary vote. Folks, you can't get a little bit pregnant. Even if Trump didn't believe half the hateful things he said and was merely being an opportunist politically saying those things to fire up a segment of voters, and even if certain Trump voters disagree with those things he said but somehow believe Trump can make America great again economically, they still voted for a man who has for the last 16 months castigated virtually everybody who isn't white, American and male. Trump has, with his own words and behavior, legitimized the types of hateful attitudes I don't think the majority of the America (and I don't think even close to a majority of people who identify as Republicans) shares. With those type of attitudes and biases, you're either for them or you're against them. There's really no middle ground safe spot from which one can excuse them. Not to me. If someone is able to convince themselves otherwise, they're certainly free to do so. I'm better than that. That's not the person I want to be. That's not what the majority of this country wants to be anymore.
Hillary Clinton was far from perfect. I just don't buy into the false equivalency arguments of her and Trump both being essentially as bad a choice as the other. Globalization and a technologically-driven marketplace are here. NOBODY is going to turn the clock back on that. Regardless of the Electoral College results (which are the rules and which I respect), Trump and his supporters should bear in mind the popular vote (which he lost) and look at the long game.
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From the beginning,I was with Bernie, I agree with you Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump not H wrong nominee...BTW, the electoral college results is fair and needs respect. I am Canadian and from the outside what we canadian admire the most from Americans is that you stand behind your President whomever it is. Back to UFC MISCHA TATE was ok looking at the beginning of the fight but she now looks like a guy....
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Let me do a DonnieP (hail to the master) and derail this thread for a moment.......... Madonna is at ufc 205 right now ... ..........OMG another female fight ......kovalki... something (oh fk she could kick my ass) against jedrzejczyk (not much breast) another one who could kick any guys ass.
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For the record "two tight azz":
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I suspect Sanders and his message may have resonated more effectively in certain areas of the country that were needed to win the Electoral College than Hillary's campaign did. I can't tell you for sure that this would have offset her strength with other segments of the vote or not, even though I would have preferred Sanders to have headed the Democratic ticket this year.
Beyond that, the most useful conclusion to be drawn by the Democratic Party is that they went with the wrong candidate this year, and the responsibility for the loss ultimately is at Hillary's feet. Not Comey's. Not Obama's black supporters who didn't come out for her in the same numbers they had for him. Not the Millennials who didn't come out for her the way they did for Sanders. Not the white women who didn't turn out for her in the numbers expected. Not the Hispanic/Latino voters who didn't come out for her in the numbers they had for Obama.
It wasn't the job of all those segments of the electorate to come out and vote for Hillary: SHE was the candidate. It was HER job to persuade those voters to cast their ballots for her. She failed to persuade enough of them to do so.
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I could care less if she seeks a congressional seat. So what?
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Hmm...
Not much else and then after 4 years there would have been a backlash because nothing had changed and you would have ended up with Trump or a Trumpish type.
Well, Hillary would have been much like her Husband. Meaning she might have passed a lot of things with a Republican congress, but none of it would have been any good for the American people.
I'd rather see 5 good things make it through Congress than 50 horrible things.
(just random numbers, I don't have a list of all the stupid shit passed in the 90s in front of me.)
Perhaps not.
To my way of thinking, though, another 4 years of an obstructive Congress would be preferable to what is going to come next with Pence and Ryan easily passing their agenda. As for the Supreme Court, I'm also looking beyond the open seat and at the advanced age of at least 3 of the current Justices. I mean, we're talking about Trump potentially picking up to 4 of the next Supreme Court Justices, here. Now, Trump has explicitly said he is looking for Pro-Life Justices who will overturn Roe vs. Wade and leave abortion rights up to the various state legislatures. Sadly, the Democratic Party has lost the mid-terms in 2010 and 2014 on the Congressional level along with a majority of the state governorships and state level legislatures over the last 8 years. So you're basically looking at the rolling back of rights nationally and in a majority of states on that issue. Now, there is no counterbalance to offset yet more strict voting requirements and the repealing of more already established voter rights laws. Less prohibitive voting requirements and voter rights laws (by coincidence) allowed easier access to the ballot box for those segments of the electorate that tend to vote democratic more often than republican.
Honestly, more gridlock under Bernie would be preferable to moving in these directions. Also, a Sanders victory would have mobilized progressives in a way a Clinton victory never could have: it would have been, "hey, we CAN do this!" As it stands now, Progressives AND corporatized establishment democrats are reeling back on their heels, counting on some sort of dues ex machina / snowball chance in hell scenario (Trump and Pence getting impeached early on in their administration, the Electoral College - and this ain't gonna happen - denying Trump the Electoral votes) to somehow prevent the inevitable of what is coming to happen. Yeah, the Republicans tend to overreach when they have simultaneous control of the Executive and Legislative Branches and eventually come crashing back down to Earth. The last time that happened, though, we got the Iraq War and a botched 'War On Terror' for our troubles. President-Elect Trump is the textbook definition of narcissistic hubris: who knows what form overreach will take THIS time around? Particularly with someone who doesn't listen to outside criticism whenever possible (and is notoriously thin-skinned in responding/reacting to the criticisms that actually manage to reach his ears), isn't big on reflection or intellectualism, has surrounded himself with former Nixon & GW Bush hatchet men and has an avowed white nationalist as his chief strategist in the White House?
The idea of some sort of post-election Trump personality reset in response to the dimensions of the office is bunk. People in 1968 blathered on about a 'new' Nixon. What we ended up getting was the same old Nixon he always was, with no constraints. Didn't work out for a few million people in Southeast Asia, as I recall. Hopefully the consequences of a Trump presidency won't prove to be as catastrophic.
The upside to Trump getting elected, and what was illustrated by his supporters at his rallies by way of their racist comments (the tone of which was alternately tacitly and openly expressed by their candidate and gave them license to double down), is that we are no longer under any illusions about the extent of the progress that has been made and the amount of work that still remains in the areas of justice, equality and fairness...specifically in terms of negative convictions and attitudes held by some toward those who aren't the same race, gender or religion as they are.
Reading speculation that HRC wants to be mayor of NYC. Won't these people just go away?
Well according to Trump now they are 'Good people'.
Who would she be up against - Ronald McFuckingDonald?
How she can have any credibility at all at this point is beyond me...
She's at retirement age anyway just fucking retire already.
'Good people' who 'did bad things' and Trump hasn't ruled out further investigations.
My understanding is that the FBI are still looking into The Clinton Foundation.
Honestly, because the Clintons aren't by nature forthcoming about releasing information regarding the foundation that bears their name, who knows what will turn up there in terms of prosecutable conduct and transactions. It's difficult to say, because the first instinct of the Clintons isn't to be forthcoming. If this a function of a natural defense reflex due to 25 years of being investigated (the sum and substance of which has been one verified lie about a series of blow jobs and one admission of an affair with Gennifer Flowers - well handled, various GOP investigative committees, well done) or if there are a lot of back-scratching transactions as yet to be revealed (which may not even be illegal - because sadly so much IS legal now), who can say?
If the GOP are going to continue to investigate The Clintons regarding conflict-of-interest appearances between The Clinton Foundation and Hillary's tenure in the US Senate and as Sec State, then doubtless they will be opposed to Trump's plan to let his children run his businesses while simultaneously giving them top secret security clearances and letting them be national security advisors for President-Elect Trump.
She's got more credibility with more voters in the country than Trump has, if you want to interpret her lead in the popular vote as such.
Plus, she won New York handily.
I don't disagree that she SHOULD retire. The Democratic Party needs to rebuild itself in a non-Clinton image and support progressive candidates who will fight for legislation true to the core Democratic principles the party has, in practice, moved away from over the last 25 years. Enough 'triangulated' watered-down, corporatized pablum. The Democratic Party as a whole needs to stand for something other than 'slightly less bad than Republicans' if they want to energize and mobilize a winning constituency.
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The Kartrashians or any other idiot Reality TV star who never actually worked in ANY job for a living (much less had political experience)
well if Kanye runs in 2020, they'll be voting one for "First Ho"
As Penn Jillette (#3 on Trumps list of enemies) pointed out Trump was scheduled to have a 15 minute meeting with Obama which ran to 90 minutes after which
Obama creator of ISIS now Trump wishes to keep him on as a consultant
Lock her up Hilary became the Clintons are good people
Obama care to be kept just modified a bit
The wall is now a fence that the Mexicans won't be paying for.
His clear out of Washington politics has become surround yourself with a bunch of 1990s failures.
His whole 20 month campaign gone in 90 minutes...
He's just playin nice so Rosie O won't jump off a NYC skyscraper and leave a giant impact crater in the middle of Broadway. You know fixin that shit costs money.
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t doesn't matter what he does to people like you who are obviously looking for a reason to keep pissing and moaning. Trump won, you lost. Deal with it.Originally Posted by Seshmeister;1918850.
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