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    I met a concert promoter last month who was dropping all kinds of name to impress our firm. He mentioned booking a big show in Florida this year and said Van Halen would be headlining. I asked for more details and that was all he had. He is prone to bs and exaggerate but I thought it was interesting that the Van Halen machine may be ramping up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Our opinions are swayed by wading through so much muck and bullshit from the Van Halen Soap Opera™ that has been the narrative of these guy's legacy.

    If you were to step back from all that... The 2018 anniversary could present a simple business opportunity for all of the past/present band members. Put together a big show, cover the bases for all eras, limited performances in a few select big venues world-wide and some sort of big box set music/video product release. Something for all the fans and a final shot for the band and their legacy.

    Divide up 90% the proceeds evenly for the 5 original members... and give Wolf and Cherone, if included, the remainder. Keep it short... 2 months of prep & rehearsals. 2 months of shows in the US, Europe, Japan, Australia and maybe South America.
    That is really the essence of it: trying to wade through the reported (and who knows what the truth of that vs. the reality actually is) dynamics of the various personality fractures over the last 30 + years, and from all that divine future intentions. A parlor game that rarely results in an accurate prognostication for what eventually does transpire.

    I mean, Cherone leaves in 1999 and all one heard was how CVH were gonna play the 2000 Superbowl, then record a new album and tour. 4 years on, you get the shambolic 2004 Van Hagar undertaking. And who would of thought when that tour ended three years on you'd end up with Roth back in the band and Ed's kid playing bass? Shit, by the time 2006 rolled around, it looked more likely that Ed was going to drop dead at any moment than another attempt at a Roth reunion would be undertaken.

    Your 2018 scenario seems completely reasonable from a chronological and business standpoint.

    Ed has seemed fairly stable for the last 7 or so years. He's apparently not running on what Roth during the 1996 to 2006 period coined as "Unabomber logic." Van Halen has settled into a working oldies act, so your 2018 scenario could easily be physically accomplished. Everyone is still vertical.

    With that mix of egos (and I'm thinking more of Eddie, Roth, Hagar and Anthony), actually GETTING something like what you proposed DONE...I mean, I can't see why it COULDN'T be done...then again, I can't see why CVH couldn't have done more than they did in 1996...or 2001-2002...or 2006 to the present...

    Maybe getting all four of CVH together now just isn't something that is doable in terms of having everything align the way it needs to make it happen.

    Frankly, for me it doesn't even NEED to BE anything other than CVH. It never has been. I think it's kind of lame that input from Ed's kid or Sammy Hagar publicly brokering options is required to make something happen and get some movement out of the band. But, much like Wolfgang's participation from 2006 to the present, apparently these sort of things DO need to happen to induce activity.

    It just seems so weird to think that the original lineup was able to accomplish so much back in the day - without even apparently liking one another all that much at times - and they can't simply reunite and do a tour. Reuniting and touring the old material isn't some scenario that requires them to reinvent the wheel. They did all that heavy lifting 40 years ago. They don't even have to record any new music. The setlist would pretty much write itself. They hammer out a financial agreement, rehearse the old material, go out on the road as Van Halen (a full-on reunion tour would basically promote and book itself, even at this late date), then say sayonara.

    Honestly, how hard can that be? For a band that has gotten used to complicating the simple, apparently what they used to do so effortlessly has become an impossible climb.
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    Terry...you put more effort in one post than these fuckers in the band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeeNatra View Post
    Terry...you put more effort in one post than these fuckers in the band.

    I mean, even more sad/pathetic/lame than the inability of CVH to reunite is the amount of time and thought I've given to the subject since 1996.

    Shit, when I was hitting my teens, Van Halen were fucking IT. Zeppelin were disbanded by the time I hit junior high. The Who were barely sputtering along. Lennon was dead. The Stones were entering a near-decade of not touring. Hendrix, Skynyrd, The Doors...all those guys were long fucking gone. Van Halen were MY band, you know? Not some legend I had to hear about from my older uncles. Or an act like Ozzy with Randy where I didn't get the chance to see them before Randy died. Or a makeupless/Crissless/Frehleyless KISS. Van Halen were (then) here and now, and tearing it up in arenas nationwide, releasing great music.

    Van Halen, for me, were always several cuts above the bands that zoomed in behind them. The Def Leppards, Quiet Riots, Motley Crues, Ratts, Dokkens...the only other bands active when CVH was that I liked nearly as much were Maiden, Dio, Priest.

    But Van Halen were...just...fucking...IT for me. And I only got a chance to see them with Dave once in 1984. Then Roth bails, Hagar steps in...it's just like, fuck me, you know?

    By the time early 1996 rolled around, CVH were just a memory to me. The likelihood of Roth even rejoining wasn't something I bothered to entertain for a moment, because those guys fucking hated each other, it had been more than a decade since they had played together...it was over, and nothing was going to bring it back. Christ, unlike three years earlier, by early 1996 Roth couldn't even get arrested. I recall seeing his Slamming Blues Mambo Vegas Revue (or whatever he called it) on the Tonight Show several months earlier, and my immediate thought was that Roth was finally totally washed up: if YFLM and the NYC pot bust were warning signs, that Tonight Show performance was the confirmation.

    Roth had gone off the deep end, and Van Hagar were still putting out Van Hagar music. A cheesy turn of events, but whatever. Life goes on, and by early 1996 Van Halen had been releasing Hagar-filled swill for so long I was immune to it. I didn't even bother listening to Balance: I couldn't even be bothered to try and sift through that album for the few decent instrumental passages I found on previous Sam Halen albums. I didn't give a shit anymore, nor was I interested in Dave attempting to be the 2nd Coming of Wayne Newton.

    Humans Being is released, and I must say I was fairly impressed with the tune. About as good as Van Halen with Hagar was going to get, and the instrumentation sounded like it had a bit of the old school fire to it. Then Hagar leaves. Then Roth is working with the band again. I gotta tell ya, I thought MWM and CGTSNM were really promising tracks. If Van Halen could have made a full-length album with songs of that quality with Dave in 1996 and then toured, THAT would have been pretty fuckin' suh-weet.

    And ever since that 1996 debacle, in the back of my mind has been the thought that CVH could still REALLY put it together in a meaningful way. Even after the Cherone album. Even after Eddie's cancer scare. Even after Dave's silly radio show and Van Strummin' album. Even after the 2004 tour debacle. Even after Anthony getting ejected for Eddie's teenaged kid. Even after Eddie's Smoking Loon/crystal meth binge which left him looking like the Crypt Keeper, and he was reduced to drunkenly wanking on his patented Trans Trem Sustainer Drop D whatever the fuck he was calling that days EVH signature guitar and making "soundtrack music" for lame porn flicks his head fluffer girlfriend was "production assistant" on.

    Through all of, even up through today, I'd still like to see CVH give it a go. Even though by now I barely give a shit (as you can tell from my constant flow of multi-paragraph comments on the subject), for me this band isn't finished properly until CVH take the stage again.

    Once THAT happens, THEN they have my permission to retire.

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    I'm 100% with you. Except for YFLM which I really like because of the Dave Extravaganza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeeNatra View Post
    I'm 100% with you. Except for YFLM which I really like because of the Dave Extravaganza.

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    YFLM I came around to liking much later after it was released.

    Initially, I wasn't so keen on it. About half of the album I dug right off the bat. The other more experimental (in comparison to Roth's recorded output up to that point, anyway) half I was very lukewarm about at best at the time. When it was released, for me it was quickly forgettable, in no small part because Dave wasn't really touring in a big way to support it in terms of venue sizes: I can't even remember a tour announcement back in 1993 or any local promotions for it in my area. And it got zilch in terms of radio play.

    Honestly, it wasn't until about 5 years after it was released right around the time the DLR Band cd was released that I recall giving YFLM its due and giving it multiple spins to see if it would grow on me more than it had the first time around. In the end, the tracks I liked the most right off the bat still resonated with me the best (especially the first three tracks on the album, all vintage solo Roth far as I am concerned), but I could at least appreciate the other stylistic undertakings a bit more than I had for what they were instead of just focusing on what they weren't.

    YFLM comes across as something where Dave might have thought by the time 1992 rolled around that his traditional "big rock" niche certainly wasn't what was gripping the pop culture zeitgeist at that moment, and an album of start-to-finish hard rock tunes wasn't going to get much of a promotional push in the midst of the grunge explosion anyway regardless of the musical content. So what better time to mix it up a bit and maybe generate a buzz by working with Nile Rodgers and trying out some different styles. It was a gutsy decision in some ways, although an easy one in others, since had Roth merely put out another hard rock album and hit the spandex-clad arena tour circuit, the response would largely have been eye-rolling indifference at that point.

    YFLM and the Vegas stint a couple years later was Roth trying to find his place in the entertainment industry in a new era where rock stars of his stature a decade prior were no longer in vogue/in demand. He had to do something to shake things up, and it took gumption and fortitude to try something new and not merely lapse into nostalgic self-parody (that came later with the Sam and Dave tour).

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    Good series of comments Terry. One thing I'll always give Dave credit for is putting himself out there in different ways. The results have been very mixed, from good (DLR Band album), to ok (YFLM), to WTF (Vegas show, Backyard BBQ video, Dave's general late 90s early 2000s appearance), to yawn (radio show), but at least he was doing/trying stuff. The results weren't always there, but god bless for trying.

    Ed is the only reason Mike isn't in the band right now. It all flows from him, which is a shame because I think the timing is really good to bring Mike back in. Wolf drops his solo album in summer or fall, VH goes out on tour in '18 to celebrate the 40th of VH1 with Mike back in and Wolf opening the shows. Everybody wins- Ed gets to keep his kid around and CVH fans get the original lineup back together. But, this is VH we're talking about here, so the odds of that scenario playing out are probably zero. Seems like the closest we've gotten to a true reunion was whatever they did in the early 2000s "before the lawyers got involved". I've never heard an explanation for what that actually meant, but I always figured it was some combination of figuring out the publishing/royalty stuff and Dave wanting shit in writing so there wasn't a repeat of the '96 denial (Dave) and "baby steps"/duplicity (Van Halens) debacle. Throw in other unresolved shit and adios reunion.

    On an unrelated note, I recently dug back and listened to the bootlegs on YouTube from their '78 Euro tour- really fantastic stuff. Just young/hungry guys with something to prove out there dominating. I don't remember which show it was, but I was almost shocked by Ed's solo. Just the ferocity of it. It was some of the fastest playing I'd ever heard from him and it was just loud and aggressive all the way through. Bit of a far cry from the solo he does now, which has basically been the same thing for like 30+ years. There was also a great version of Voodoo Queen at one of the shows, so much that I thought to myself "And why exactly did that song not make the cut on the first couple of albums?". I envy the lucky bastards who got to see them before Dave left, but I really envy those who saw them up to/during the FW tour, which i think is the peak of their power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    Good series of comments Terry. One thing I'll always give Dave credit for is putting himself out there in different ways. The results have been very mixed, from good (DLR Band album), to ok (YFLM), to WTF (Vegas show, Backyard BBQ video, Dave's general late 90s early 2000s appearance), to yawn (radio show), but at least he was doing/trying stuff. The results weren't always there, but god bless for trying.

    Ed is the only reason Mike isn't in the band right now. It all flows from him, which is a shame because I think the timing is really good to bring Mike back in. Wolf drops his solo album in summer or fall, VH goes out on tour in '18 to celebrate the 40th of VH1 with Mike back in and Wolf opening the shows. Everybody wins- Ed gets to keep his kid around and CVH fans get the original lineup back together. But, this is VH we're talking about here, so the odds of that scenario playing out are probably zero. Seems like the closest we've gotten to a true reunion was whatever they did in the early 2000s "before the lawyers got involved". I've never heard an explanation for what that actually meant, but I always figured it was some combination of figuring out the publishing/royalty stuff and Dave wanting shit in writing so there wasn't a repeat of the '96 denial (Dave) and "baby steps"/duplicity (Van Halens) debacle. Throw in other unresolved shit and adios reunion.

    On an unrelated note, I recently dug back and listened to the bootlegs on YouTube from their '78 Euro tour- really fantastic stuff. Just young/hungry guys with something to prove out there dominating. I don't remember which show it was, but I was almost shocked by Ed's solo. Just the ferocity of it. It was some of the fastest playing I'd ever heard from him and it was just loud and aggressive all the way through. Bit of a far cry from the solo he does now, which has basically been the same thing for like 30+ years. There was also a great version of Voodoo Queen at one of the shows, so much that I thought to myself "And why exactly did that song not make the cut on the first couple of albums?". I envy the lucky bastards who got to see them before Dave left, but I really envy those who saw them up to/during the FW tour, which i think is the peak of their power.
    Certainly Dave deserves credit for attempting to move his career forward, mixing things up stylistically and not being afraid of taking a chance. Regardless of my own take on the various results. I mean, I dug the BBQ Vid, myself. At the very least, Roth can say he gave other avenues a valid attempt over a sustained period of time before cashing out on a series of greatest hits tours with Van Halen. And I can't really criticize what he has been doing with Van Halen for the last ten years from the standpoint of imagining it must have been more than a bit humbling for him to return to the boards in the late 1990s opening for acts like Bad Company, then teaming up with Hagar and eventually working much smaller venues than he did when his career was at its apex in commercial terms: would you want to wind down your career playing for 10,000 + fronting Van Halen, or be a solo act stuck in the middle of a multi-band bill at a State Fair? Even if the State Fairs pay well, I'd have to imagine there's an emotional component there from a performer's perspective.

    I'd tend to agree Ed is the primary reason Mike isn't with the band anymore. Who knows what the fuck CVH were really doing in the early 2000s and why THAT reunion didn't go forward? After what happened in 1996, I can't say I would have blamed Dave for wanting a signed contractual agreement before undertaking anything with the Van Halens beyond mere rehearsal/demo recording stages. And yes, it WOULD make perfect sense for the original/CVH lineup to do something next year to mark the 40th year of the first Van Halen album released. There's really no reason it couldn't happen, although as you mentioned this is Van Halen we're talking about here, so equally there's really no reason to think it actually will happen. Myself...the band has already strayed into that Rolling Stones territory: the crucial parts of their back catalog remain timeless for me, but I have virtually no interest in seeing them perform anymore. Put another way, unless the CVH lineup is touring, I probably will never see them perform again. The interest just isn't there for me. Even if the current lineup announces their next tour will be their last. Okay, so be it. If CVH tours, I'll try to make a show. THAT would be kind of neat to see, but the older the members get, the more my interest in even seeing THAT wanes.

    Yeah, that band WERE fucking FEROCIOUS those first 4 tours. You can hear it and feel it even when listened to in bootleg form. I'm glad I got to catch them once with that last tour w/Dave in 1984, and that was a pretty spectacular show at the time but slightly more so for the spectacle of it than the actual performances. I really envy those who saw them up to/including the FW tour, too! For me, that band and that lineup was really the last of the larger-than-life rock bands far as I'm concerned. The acts that came out in their wake - especially the Los Angeles bands - always seemed smaller in comparison. Sort of semi-pretenders, in that none of them were as good overall. There was always some component(s) lacking. Either the level of musicianship wasn't there, or the songs themselves didn't measure up, or the live performances weren't as good (never mind better) as the recordings were. Maybe G n R with Appetite had the beginnings of something that could have measured up over time, but they really didn't in the end. They flamed out too quickly. It has more to do with just mere album sales. If that were the sole case, by rights I should be putting Def Leppard and Bon Jovi up there with CVH, and that most definitely is NOT the case.
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    I honestly thought once he wasnt busy with van we would have been flooded with "fake plastic seats" type songs. At least it would mean he wasnt deeeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    I honestly thought once he wasnt busy with van we would have been flooded with "fake plastic seats" type songs. At least it would mean he wasnt deeeed.
    More likely holed up in a Tokyo hotel room with an Asian man-servant...

    ...or isolated in the hills of Wyoming, wandering around with a sheepdog or two...

    ...fuckin' weirdo that he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I mean, even more sad/pathetic/lame than the inability of CVH to reunite is the amount of time and thought I've given to the subject since 1996.

    Shit, when I was hitting my teens, Van Halen were fucking IT. Zeppelin were disbanded by the time I hit junior high. The Who were barely sputtering along. Lennon was dead. The Stones were entering a near-decade of not touring. Hendrix, Skynyrd, The Doors...all those guys were long fucking gone. Van Halen were MY band, you know? Not some legend I had to hear about from my older uncles. Or an act like Ozzy with Randy where I didn't get the chance to see them before Randy died. Or a makeupless/Crissless/Frehleyless KISS. Van Halen were (then) here and now, and tearing it up in arenas nationwide, releasing great music.

    Van Halen, for me, were always several cuts above the bands that zoomed in behind them. The Def Leppards, Quiet Riots, Motley Crues, Ratts, Dokkens...the only other bands active when CVH was that I liked nearly as much were Maiden, Dio, Priest.

    But Van Halen were...just...fucking...IT for me. And I only got a chance to see them with Dave once in 1984. Then Roth bails, Hagar steps in...it's just like, fuck me, you know?

    By the time early 1996 rolled around, CVH were just a memory to me. The likelihood of Roth even rejoining wasn't something I bothered to entertain for a moment, because those guys fucking hated each other, it had been more than a decade since they had played together...it was over, and nothing was going to bring it back. Christ, unlike three years earlier, by early 1996 Roth couldn't even get arrested. I recall seeing his Slamming Blues Mambo Vegas Revue (or whatever he called it) on the Tonight Show several months earlier, and my immediate thought was that Roth was finally totally washed up: if YFLM and the NYC pot bust were warning signs, that Tonight Show performance was the confirmation.

    Roth had gone off the deep end, and Van Hagar were still putting out Van Hagar music. A cheesy turn of events, but whatever. Life goes on, and by early 1996 Van Halen had been releasing Hagar-filled swill for so long I was immune to it. I didn't even bother listening to Balance: I couldn't even be bothered to try and sift through that album for the few decent instrumental passages I found on previous Sam Halen albums. I didn't give a shit anymore, nor was I interested in Dave attempting to be the 2nd Coming of Wayne Newton.

    Humans Being is released, and I must say I was fairly impressed with the tune. About as good as Van Halen with Hagar was going to get, and the instrumentation sounded like it had a bit of the old school fire to it. Then Hagar leaves. Then Roth is working with the band again. I gotta tell ya, I thought MWM and CGTSNM were really promising tracks. If Van Halen could have made a full-length album with songs of that quality with Dave in 1996 and then toured, THAT would have been pretty fuckin' suh-weet.

    And ever since that 1996 debacle, in the back of my mind has been the thought that CVH could still REALLY put it together in a meaningful way. Even after the Cherone album. Even after Eddie's cancer scare. Even after Dave's silly radio show and Van Strummin' album. Even after the 2004 tour debacle. Even after Anthony getting ejected for Eddie's teenaged kid. Even after Eddie's Smoking Loon/crystal meth binge which left him looking like the Crypt Keeper, and he was reduced to drunkenly wanking on his patented Trans Trem Sustainer Drop D whatever the fuck he was calling that days EVH signature guitar and making "soundtrack music" for lame porn flicks his head fluffer girlfriend was "production assistant" on.

    Through all of, even up through today, I'd still like to see CVH give it a go. Even though by now I barely give a shit (as you can tell from my constant flow of multi-paragraph comments on the subject), for me this band isn't finished properly until CVH take the stage again.

    Once THAT happens, THEN they have my permission to retire.
    Wasted years ! 96-06. Like you said hard to believe the output of the band in the early years to what came after Hag was gone. Well the huge mistake that was V.H.3 than nothing. Unreal really looking back. Dave got rolling again in 99 and sounded pretty decent vocally up through 08 so for me it pisses me off even more they didn't reconvene in 96. I think Ed was just going off the deep end. Cancer scares. Drinking, whatever else was going on. Sounds like they tried again in 2000. I'd like to know why that really failed more than anything. The 96 disaster has been documented. It is what it is. Wasted time. Just think of an 07/08 Dave with A 12/15 Eddie on stage and Mike doing his thing were he SHOULD be. How great would that sound almost 40 years later ? I'd think they might be unstoppable........sad in many ways. I'd buy a new album if it's good,and certainly any vault stuff, but I'll pass on any new tour with Dave half assing it. And I like Wolf but without Mike at this point..........just not much interest without a full reunion.
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    Wasted years ! 96-06. Like you said hard to believe the output of the band in the early years to what came after Hag was gone. Well the huge mistake that was V.H.3 than nothing. Unreal really looking back. Dave got rolling again in 99 and sounded pretty decent vocally up through 08 so for me it pisses me off even more they didn't reconvene in 96. I think Ed was just going off the deep end. Cancer scares. Drinking, whatever else was going on. Sounds like they tried again in 2000. I'd like to know why that really failed more than anything. The 96 disaster has been documented. It is what it is. Wasted time. Just think of an 07/08 Dave with A 12/15 Eddie on stage and Mike doing his thing were he SHOULD be. How great would that sound almost 40 years later ? I'd think they might be unstoppable........sad in many ways. I'd buy a new album if it's good,and certainly any vault stuff, but I'll pass on any new tour with Dave half assing it. And I like Wolf but without Mike at this point..........just not much interest without a full reunion.

    Eddie did it.

    After he punted Hagar out in 1996, Eddie finally took 100% control of the band, with nobody else to have to compromise with. Within 5 years, he found himself without a record label. The rest of us got Van Halen III for our troubles. Ed just went over the deep end. I mean, supposedly he was sober during the whole 1996 biz and the Cherone tenure, and look at the decisions he made: sober OR straight, clearly Eddie has several screws loose. A genius at rock guitar didn't translate into a genius at much of anything else. His production skills on a sound-level suck, and his songwriting instincts unrefined by a strong songwriting foil/producer are barely listenable. After Van Halen III cratered, Ed's marriage was slowly unwinding, he had no record contract, he had his medical issues...he just stopped giving a fuck. By the time 2004 rolled around, he couldn't even play as well as he used to.

    Dave made a concerted effort to rebuild his career after 1996. The apex of that was the 2007/2008 tour: THAT would have been a decent swan song to end on. Had Eddie been able to play better (as you said, at the level he was playing in 2012) and Mike had been aboard, even at that late 2007/2008 date the results would have been good far as an oldies reunion tour went. Would have been a high note to go out on.

    I mean, in the last 20 years we've gotten 2 full-length studio albums, a Greatest Hits album and a live album from a 2013 tour date nobody was particularly asking for in terms of an official release. That frequency of output is pretty pathetic. At this point, I honestly wonder why they even bother other than it being just a revenue source and the lack of ability to try anything other than what is a predictable modus operandi for an aging rock band. It's that path of least resistance mentality, which is producing some underwhelming results, more so the longer they stick around.

    God bless 'em, but another Van Halen tour with the 2007-2015 lineup just doesn't do anything for me, even just the idea of it. Like you, I have virtually no interest short of a CVH reunion. Release some vault stuff, I'll buy it. Release a new album of original material with Dave, I'll certainly be interested to hear what they come up with.
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    Terry, I will give you credit where credit is due. You almost...ALMOST...pulled a VH rant out of me...and there may yet still be one...but I feel like I've wasted too much fucking time on this band and brand already.

    I often think of what VH was...and I was just coming into my rock and roll blood at the same time Van Halen was taking over the world. And that's what they were doing...taking over the world.

    I started with Kiss Alive...Kiss Alive II...then AC/DC Let There Be Rock, Powerade, Highway to Hell and Back in Black...and Queen...News of the World and The Game...man...The Game with Another One Bites the Dust.

    But sitting in an arcade in 1981, I found a back on the floor while waiting to play Galaga. I didn't even think fucking twice about it until I got home...and boom...Van Halen 1, Live, in front of my naked steaming eyes...

    FUCKING HUGE....

    Not sure about my point here...and I'm glad as fuck I haven't been around for all this 2017 bullshit...because that's all it really is...bullshit at this point. So much fucking wasted time, and I'm still left with the 6 most beautiful albums there are...and a seventh that I love more than I likely should.

    Man...all that fucking time wasted...because of fucking egos that drugs and booze couldn't even cure...

    Fuck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by POJO_Risin View Post
    Terry, I will give you credit where credit is due. You almost...ALMOST...pulled a VH rant out of me...and there may yet still be one...but I feel like I've wasted too much fucking time on this band and brand already.

    I often think of what VH was...and I was just coming into my rock and roll blood at the same time Van Halen was taking over the world. And that's what they were doing...taking over the world.

    I started with Kiss Alive...Kiss Alive II...then AC/DC Let There Be Rock, Powerade, Highway to Hell and Back in Black...and Queen...News of the World and The Game...man...The Game with Another One Bites the Dust.

    But sitting in an arcade in 1981, I found a back on the floor while waiting to play Galaga. I didn't even think fucking twice about it until I got home...and boom...Van Halen 1, Live, in front of my naked steaming eyes...

    FUCKING HUGE....

    Not sure about my point here...and I'm glad as fuck I haven't been around for all this 2017 bullshit...because that's all it really is...bullshit at this point. So much fucking wasted time, and I'm still left with the 6 most beautiful albums there are...and a seventh that I love more than I likely should.

    Man...all that fucking time wasted...because of fucking egos that drugs and booze couldn't even cure...

    Fuck...
    Kiss Alive, Kiss Alive 2, News Of The World, The Game...Galaga, for fuck's sake (personal best = 1 million + points on one quarter...Galaxian, not so good)...I mean, these were all my initiation points into rock and roll in the mid-to-late 1970s courtesy of my older cousin at an age when I was barely thinking about girls, for fuck's sake!

    Van Halen was a band I found out about in the very early 1980s, from the older sister of a friend of mine. They had a pool, so I'd go over there and hang out. The sister was 18 and was...so fine. Natural blonde, feathered hair, about 5' 3" or so, sort of looked like the blonde sister from that tv show Too Close For Comfort. Lovely boobs. Used to lounge beside the pool and suntan while we dicked around in the pool. She must have caught me looking at her ten zillion times, and would smile at me every time. Never said anything about it, but she knew where my mind was at. She used to play WACF constantly on her boom box while sunbathing. I mean, within a year of that the then CVH 4-pack was permanently burned into my cerebral cortex, with Diver Down and 1984 still yet to come.

    By the time I got to concert-going age a few years after that WACF encounter, Van Halen were it. Queen wasn't touring America anymore. KISS had taken off the makeup and Criss and Frehley were gone. After Roth split and Van Halen for all intents and purposes was over, what was I supposed to do far as American hard rock was concerned? Settle for Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, Ratt, Dokken and Bon Jovi? They were all at best 2nd rate to Van Halen when Roth was still in the band, and didn't get any better after 1985. Shit, VAN HALEN was 2nd rate to Van Halen after Roth left the band!

    And..uh...yeah. Classic Van Halen could have put it all back together in 1996...or at any point between then and now. And they didn't. Ego-driven control issues, years of hard feelings and fallouts. That's all it boiled down to. And it's fucking sad, man. Sad that a band who churned out 6 brilliant records in 6 years slowly yet steadily devolved into what is transpiring under the band name today. Perhaps sad more to those of us who were around when they were the kings of the hill and still have memories of the glory days. I mean, fuck, when I see where they're at now...it's just a constant SMH response. Especially when I think how difficult it was and how many obstacles they had to overcome since 1996 just to get to their meager state today. Fall 2006, I wouldn't have bet money that the band would have even been able to reunite with Dave for so much as a one-off: Eddie looked more than half-dead and washed up.

    That their hurdles since 1995 have been entirely self-induced makes the 'accomplishment' of their continued existence a dubious one, at best.

    Fuck, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POJO_Risin View Post

    I started with Kiss Alive...Kiss Alive II...then AC/DC Let There Be Rock, Powerade, Highway to Hell and Back in Black...and Queen...News of the World and The Game...man...The Game with Another One Bites the Dust.
    Funny...almost exactly my musical path...but to me there was (and still is) the King before I got into KISS.

    First concert was Queen in 1982. Stopped "discovering" new bands for me after I got into the Roth thing (for me it was always Dave no matter which band he fronted)

    Now as I am sick and tired of that soap opera I find myself back in the Queen stuff, a lot of blues material and the Stones.

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    Good stuff going down the musical memory lanes!

    For me, I have an older sister who was in high school in the early 80s and she hung out with the "rocker" crowd, so I have very clear memories of what she and her friends listened to at that time and what vinyl(!) was laying around. BOC's Fire of Unknown Origin got a ton of play. Ton of Judas Priest with British Steel, Point of Entry and Screaming for Vengeance getting the big play. A lot of Cheap Trick, Dream Police and Live at Budokan. The Billy Squier albums from that era. Scorpions were huge during that era too. My sister played the hell out of the Blackout album (I loved that album cover for some reason) and I remember Animal Magnetism being around as well. I know her friends were in to Ozzy to a degree (Blizzard of Oz, etc.), but she really didn't listen to a lot of that. Not really much KISS from what I remember. I was only like 10,11,12 during that era, but the music from that era had a big impact on me growing up. I loved that shit and still do even though I don't listen to it much anymore. As for VH, I clearly remember the VHI and II albums being around because I remember looking at the albums and sleeves inside.

    As I got older, say Junior High, my circle of friends was listening to stuff like Ratt (Out of the Cellar was huge), VH (1984 was huge), Dio (Holy Diver was big), Dokken, Crue (Shout at the Devil, naturally), etc. Good times and good music!

    Edit: Almost forgot- Foreigner 4 was big with my sister and her friends. As was whatever the Queen album with Another One Bites the Dust because she must've played that song 1000 times.
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    Well, imo, there's a zero percent chance for any sort of VH two singer tour. Dave would never agree to that and rightfully so. Unfortunately I also feel that a reunion with Mike for the 40th of VH1 is doubtful. Why? Because it would make too much fucking sense, kind of like how bringing Dave back in '96 would've made too much sense. I will say this though. If they brought Mike back in and toured, I feel Dave would step up and get himself back to '07-'08 form vocally to the extent that he can. Personally, I think Dave got lazy from '08 on, although I do think something was physically wrong with him for at least part of the '12 tour, if not the whole tour.

    The stakes were big for him in '07 and he stepped up accordingly. Dave fronting CVH and playing live for the first time in 34 years? That's bigger stakes than '07. Dave would step up.

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    If I was a big fan of Sammy Hagar I'd be kind of bummed he has such a lack of self esteem he can only feel good about his career by reminding people he was once a member of Van Halen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    Well, imo, there's a zero percent chance for any sort of VH two singer tour. Dave would never agree to that and rightfully so.
    Well, I guess you're going to be in for a big shock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Well, I guess you're going to be in for a big shock!
    I would be very surprised if it happened. That would involve a gigantic shift in Dave's line of thinking (as I see it) as I've always felt he considers himself the straw that stirs the drink as far as VH is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    If I was a big fan of Sammy Hagar I'd be kind of bummed he has such a lack of self esteem he can only feel good about his career by reminding people he was once a member of Van Halen.
    Ummm, Roth did that for 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    I would be very surprised if it happened. That would involve a gigantic shift in Dave's line of thinking (as I see it) as I've always felt he considers himself the straw that stirs the drink as far as VH is concerned.
    My take on it is, Roth has made peace with the Van Halen's, and peace with his legacy in respect to the band. I bet if he does this, or goes along with it, or even gives his blessing to Hagar touring with them, it's because he is now secure in his role today and yesterday. Secure in his relationship with Ed and Al, and respects the fact that they might want to go play some of that music again, as opposed to ignoring it. Dave once said in an interview during the Roth/Hagar tour that he respected Sam for still being out there touring all those summers. Maybe Dave is realizing the mortality of he, the VH's and Hagar.

    Or, maybe he realizes this is his best chance to get one more big payday. I mean come on. He knows they aren't going to sell out arenas with yet another nostalgia show. He'd probably rather share the stage with Hagar, than one of those package tours with a bunch of other 80's bands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heater View Post
    Ummm, Roth did that for 20 years.
    He did? He did kind of make an ass of himself when he thought he was back in the band in 96 but otherwise I never heard he mention Van Halen unless someone asked him a question about them. He was never as vocal about VH as Sam was during Dave's last hiatus with the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    My take on it is, Roth has made peace with the Van Halen's, and peace with his legacy in respect to the band. I bet if he does this, or goes along with it, or even gives his blessing to Hagar touring with them, it's because he is now secure in his role today and yesterday. Secure in his relationship with Ed and Al, and respects the fact that they might want to go play some of that music again, as opposed to ignoring it. Dave once said in an interview during the Roth/Hagar tour that he respected Sam for still being out there touring all those summers. Maybe Dave is realizing the mortality of he, the VH's and Hagar.

    Or, maybe he realizes this is his best chance to get one more big payday. I mean come on. He knows they aren't going to sell out arenas with yet another nostalgia show. He'd probably rather share the stage with Hagar, than one of those package tours with a bunch of other 80's bands.
    Well if I was he I wouldn't do it.

    Money wise I don't think Roth has a particularly stupidly expensive lifestyle and the 2 tours should easily get him to the grave in comfort.

    The best approach Roth can take to the whole Van Hagar thing is the exact same thing we all should take is to just ignore it until it goes away.
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    As for the rest of this thread and Van Halen in general I think I'm going to get a t-shirt that just says 'What Terry Said'.

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    So Sam is still banging on the windshield...with a bottle of tequila in the one hand and his dick in the other...

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    I can't believe you fools actually think the brothers are going to ignore that portion of their musical careers, forever. It's going to happen. Sooner than later.

    You idiots keep your heads buried in the sand, asses up. Clichegar and the VH brothers will be along shortly to fuck you assholes in your exposed assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I can't believe you fools actually think the brothers are going to ignore that portion of their musical careers, forever. It's going to happen. Sooner than later.

    You idiots keep your heads buried in the sand, asses up. Clichegar and the VH brothers will be along shortly to fuck you assholes in your exposed assholes.
    Listen...

    Ah, fuck, man...

    It wouldn't surprise me if Hagar and the Van Halens did a tour next year (Hagar has solo gigs booked - with tickets already sold - through September of this year, so obviously nothing is gonna happen in 2017).

    That idea of Roth AND Hagar doing a co-lead vocal tour with Van Halen (two sets, one for each lineup)...

    You know, I guess you really never can say never. 20 years ago I couldn't have imagined Roth and Hagar touring together in ANY capacity...until it happened.

    Perhaps much like the idea that without Wolfgang joining the band the Roth reunion wouldn't have happened, maybe it will take a Hagar Halen reunion to get Mike Anthony back in the fold, and maybe it would take a Hagar/Roth Van Halen tour to get Mike back in the fold and get all four members in the same proximity at the same time, which would finally result in CVH taking the stage again and performing music together for the first time in over 30 years.

    What's the saying: revolution seems impossible until it happens, upon which time it then becomes inevitable.

    Van Halen is probably going to have to do something big the next time out to keep playing to decent venue sizes and keep those appearance fee guarantees high. Yet another Van Halen Mach 4 tour at this point ISN'T particularly big.

    Plus, with both Roth and Hagar on the bill, you're gonna get a higher rate of audience interest than if it were just one or the other. Throw Mike Anthony into the mix, you'll have a concert that could command at least two dates in each arena they played, and the arenas would be probably the biggest any given area would have to offer (I would hope they didn't try and book stadiums). With Roth and Hagar both singing with the band, you'll be increasing the sphere of the punters because you'll be eliminating the purchase barriers for those who don't care for Roth and like Sammy, or those who don't care for Sammy and like Roth.

    I mean, short of just a straight-up CVH reunion, that Roth/Hagar scenario would be a BIG move. THAT would be something that would generate interest from a large segment of the ticket buying public who aren't diehard Eddie Grunts, Red Ched Rockers or Dave Or The Grave fans. It would draw the interest of a segment of the public that only knows the Van Halen tunes that were top 40 hits or radio staples: the hardcore base may well have a waning interest the next time around if it's just another Van Halen Mach 4 tour, since assumedly that base has already had 3 tours in the last ten years to see that version.

    And it must be said: how many more tours do the Van Halens, Roth, Hagar or Anthony have left in them? Roth barely scraped by on the last tour. Sammy is, what, 70 years old? It would seem next year would be the time to do it if it's going to happen.

    To be clear, a Roth/Hagar co-singer tour isn't something I want to see happen, but I'm not gonna be buying all the tickets for all the gigs of their next tour outing, either.

    And, honestly, if the brothers want to just do a Sammy tour next year, I'm fine with that. I mean, for those who like that version of the band, I'd have to imagine that 2004 tour wasn't very satisfying. If Ed continues to play as well as he has the last two tours, the audiences will see a good show.

    At this point, it's even sillier for me to keep wetting my panties like it's 1985 and pout like a teenaged be-yauch because Sammy Hagar joined Van Halen. God Bless 'Em all, and let 'em do whatever they wanna do. If ANY of those guys are still holding onto old bad blood from 3 decades ago they had toward one another, THAT to me is even sadder than the shitty personal history.

    Except Mike. Whatever transpires, I think when Mike goes to greet Eddie, Eddie better hope [Eddie's] wearing a fuckin' cup, because Mike owes Eddie at least one good, swift kick in the nuts.

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    I completely agree with Von... It's GONNA happen, it's inevitable, for whatever reasoning you may want attribute to it....

    If it's financial, to get one more big payday before heading out to pasture, fuck it, just do it and get it over with....

    I also agree that at this stage that a basic VH with Dave tour, with a schmuck opening band, isn't going to fill barns anymore... I think it would be smart to add a decent band from that era to open, although they probably don't want lesser profits....

    By the way, nor would they fill barns with solely Hagar either, I might add.... They would get the people wanting to hear the ballads, but would lose those that despise that era....

    Which leads me to how Hagar wants to do the tour.... NOT by doing half the show with DLR, half with Bette.... He wants to do a few songs with DLR, half with SH....

    And I think he's a dick for wanting to do it that way.... He wants the crowd to see how much better his singing is than DLR, and rub it in his face....
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    Look at it this way. A dual tour would allow Dave to sing all the songs he prefers to sing anyway. The hits. Maybe he'd concentrate on singing them right, this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Look at it this way. A dual tour would allow Dave to sing all the songs he prefers to sing anyway. The hits. Maybe he'd concentrate on singing them right, this time.
    Does DLR care about "competing" with Hagar every night? Seems like he did in '02.

    I don't buy Hagar's claim that he'd only do a dual tour. If Dave refused, it's one more thing for Hagar to bitch about.

    Just looked at Hagar's event page...the Circle(jerk) is playing the Toledo Zoo Amphitheater. They should bring him up on animal cruelty charges! And he's on some classic rock cruise in February.

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    If they really thought this out and want to make a one last cash grab they'd organize a big city, big venue tour with the original line up of Dave, Mike and the sisters. They'd only have to play a handful of shows, charge an outrageous price for tickets and have plenty of time to rest in between them. Or they could do one show at a large capacity venue and broadcast it live as a pay per view. I really don't think there are that many people who really want to see a Van Hagar show. If you're a Hagar fan you could just go to a Hagar show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    I really don't think there are that many people who really want to see a Van Hagar show. If you're a Hagar fan you could just go to a Hagar show.
    But they'd have to settle for substandard guitar.

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    The Van Halens are so fucking clueless..ya see the instagram clip of Ed playing that same old elephant and horse sounds? Why not a clip of a killer new riff that hasnt been heard?...fuckin clueless..
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    Another idea that might prove quite profitable would be one last show with all three vocalists (one at a time) and special guests filmed, edited then released as a motion picture like "The Last Waltz".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    The Van Halens are so fucking clueless..ya see the instagram clip of Ed playing that same old elephant and horse sounds? Why not a clip of a killer new riff that hasnt been heard?...fuckin clueless..
    I don't think Ed or Alex ever gave a fuck about what the fans wanted. If they did there would have never been a Cherrone era or a 2004 tour with Sammy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    But they'd have to settle for substandard guitar.
    Yeah.... even if I wanted to see Hagar screech through an entire set, watching Vic the Busboy mangle Eddie's guitar parts is even more excruciating. Dude's been playing them for 20 years... you would think he might have figured them out by now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Yeah.... even if I wanted to see Hagar screech through an entire set, watching Vic the Busboy mangle Eddie's guitar parts is even more excruciating. Dude's been playing them for 20 years... you would think he might have figured them out by now...
    I've only heard Vic play live once during the Sam and Dave tour. The guitarist Dave used tried too hard to sound like EVH on studio albums. Vic personalized the songs instead of attempting to be an EVH clone. It didn't seem like Dave really put a lot of effort into his set either which disappointed a lot of his fans that attended that show. Me being one of them.

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