I don't ever want to sit through that same solo again. The guy need to switch it up.
I don't ever want to sit through that same solo again. The guy need to switch it up.
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If Ed and Al get a new singer, then they are going to have to give the guy a little more control than what they gave Cherone other than being a 'yes' man to Ed's inability to piece a fucking song together to save his life. In other words, he is going to have to be more than just a singer if it's new material for the dysfunctional Van Halen. Ed has no direction in anything. Van Halen III sucked because that was Ed in control of the entire compositions and that is why his 'vault of many colors' is no more than an odd collection of tinkering and fragments in my opinion. Ed cannot lead and the word cohesive does not come to mind when I think about him. Ed is the grand noodler with his guitar. Ed can come up with amazing shit but he needs to have a hammer on his ass constantly to challenge him and mold the metal so to speak or he will just meander into dribble without a foundation. Roth and Hagar's version of Van Halen was different because not only the style of singing was different, but they where a main ingredient in the compositions and how they where written to sound as a whole. Ed cannot put a Lego set together or a jigsaw puzzle... not to mention a solid composition on his own
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Guns N' Roses have announced more US dates for 2017, they'll be starting at the end of July and continuing through early September. Those shows go on sale Saturday.
Meanwhile, VHagar will wait until the last minute to announce their tour, and fans who can only swing one pricey "event" show a year may already have GNR tickets and not bother with VHagar.
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If Ed (or the brothers along with Alex) had put more effort into finding another front man after Sammy quit (or got fired) there might not have been any more reunions with Sammy or Dave but then again who knows how long another singer would have lasted considering Ed's obvious moodiness. At this point I think the best option for VH financially would be one last tour with Hagar and retire or just say fuck it and retire now.
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It's a proper World Tour but no Scottish date which I'm actually relieved about as I'm looking at being pressured into at least $500 of tickets and it's not worth it to me.
Still may be added though, only 1 UK date at the moment but plenty of space in the schedule to add more...
Buffalo is only a couple hours away but I don't think I'd go even if the show was here.
Yeah I have two kids of the age we're they want a family guns and roses trip away ..... it will cost an arm and a leg and a little bit of my soul .
Ain't seen the band since 88 wonder what they have been up to
They were here on the first go round a few months ago. I didn't go. I saw them several times when they were really GNR. Why would I spend a fortune to go see this version?
I was one of those annoying people who got Appetite the week it came out and so spent most of the following couple of years pointing that out to all their new fans.
Despite that I never actually saw them live. Saw the Slash with Myles Kennedy thing which is maybe close enough.
I'm not into this new development of the kids wanting to go to gigs. Not only is it very expensive, I don't want them there anyway it's adult time.
Not much.
They did a short tour when the album 1st came out with Faster Pussycat which I missed and then just a few festival/stadium shows in England.
The Axl solo GNR act has rolled through once or twice but I didn't want to give him my money for a 3 hour late show with a bunch of mediocrity.
Van Halen were never really a stadium-level headline act in the US to begin with.
Had they went on to do another tour with Roth after the 1984 one, maybe they could have done a series of stadium shows.
I mean, the 1988 Monsters of Rock shows or the US Festival aren't really good yardsticks to argue Van Halen was a stadium-level headline act, because Van Halen was merely headlining the bill of a LOT of other name acts in both cases.
I don't even think if Mike Anthony rejoined and it was a One Last Time CVH tour that the band could sell out stadiums at this point.
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"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
I don't get that. Adler and Stradlin left the band years before Axl pissed the other members off and decided to keep the name with him as lead singer and hire a backing band. If it was because Axl pissed you off sometime in the past I could understand your point but as long as Axl, Slash and Duff are still in the band I don't. Then again I don't get some peoples attitude towards The Who. Moon and Entwhistle are dead. As far as I know Entwhistle didn't have a problem with The Who carrying on after Moon died. Seems like he'd want them to carry on if he died as well. As long as Daltrey and Townsend are still in the band they're still The Who IMO.
The 3/5 lineup can pull off a GNR live show, but if they ever made another record, Izzy's absence would be obvious. He was essential to the songwriting, which is why the only GNR album made after his departure was a covers album (no, Chinese hypocrisy doesn't count. Axl spent twice as much time on that record than Tom Scholz spent on any "Boston" album, and it STILL sucked ass).
After that horrible Super Bowl performance, they really should have hung it up. They're still touring with scabs, but the Super Bowl hasn't had an actual musician play the half time show since then. Hard to forgive Roger & Pete for that.Then again I don't get some peoples attitude towards The Who. Moon and Entwhistle are dead. As far as I know Entwhistle didn't have a problem with The Who carrying on after Moon died. Seems like he'd want them to carry on if he died as well. As long as Daltrey and Townsend are still in the band they're still The Who IMO.
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Daltrey and Townshend are legally able to call the band 'The Who' and punters are perfectly free to see it.
Personally, for me The Who means Daltrey, Townshend, Entwistle and Moon. And even THAT lineup was showing signs of strain in the last couple of years before Moon died.
When I think of The Who live, it's with those four guys banging away onstage. Not doing so with 1/2 dozen supplemental musicians. To be fair, The Who did some decent stuff with Jones in 1979, 1980 and 1981 live. They did some decent stuff live with Starkey from 1999 to 2002 live.
People are free to define what The Who is and means for them any way they like. For me, that band's best days are 40 years behind them.
I mean, it's not to say that Van Halen COULDN'T have went on to become a band that filled stadiums solely on the strength of their name had Roth stuck around in the 1980s: their career was well on the way to doing so by the time 1985 rolled around.
I gotta be honest, though: if I've seen...say...roughly 80-100 shows over the last 30 odd years, precious few of the really memorable ones were those that took place in stadiums.
It's a large part of why I didn't bother going to see Guns and Roses this past year: I no longer feel the need to pay hundreds of dollars per ticket to schlep off to some stadium 70 miles away and cram in there with 60,000 other people to see a rock band.
I mean, I suppose 'The Who' are a viable band as long as people are still willing to pay money to see them.
When I see the amount of side musicians dwarfing the amount of original members...it doesn't really resemble (or even particularly sound like) the band I identify as The Who. And I fucking LOVE The Who...it's just that what is transpiring under that band name now isn't The Who to me. The Who, to my mind, is a group that is simply part of history now. And they have been since, fuck, I was barely a teenager when they did their first Farewell Tour in 1982. And THAT was 4 years after Moon died.
I mean, nobody is gonna convince me what the band have been doing over the last 30 odd years live stacks up to what the band did when Moon was around. But, sadly, that is gone forever.
At least today we still have great contemporary pop rock artists like...Beyoncé...
If they had done the stadium tour Roth wasn't interested in doing because nobody would see his queer as a three dollar bill shoes they probably would have or come close to selling out every show as long as they stuck to really big cities like L A, New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit. Philly and such.
You were only 8 or 9 when Moon died. How many live shows did you see with Roger, Pete, Keith and John? The first and only time I saw them was in San Diego in 82. It was supposed to be the last or next to last live Who performance in the U S. I had been to quite a few live shows myself and I still rate that one at or near the top of the best live shows I've ever attended.
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True, I guess the point that I'm making is that post-1984 tour that's the trajectory that VH was on....
The vast majority of us saw VH on the 1984 tour... We saw firsthand what an event (not just a concert) Van Halen coming to town had become by that point....
I had the pleasure of seeing VH in southern California in San Diego that year... They were there for 2 nights over the weekend..... San Diego is a fairly large city, you couldn't go anywhere without people talking about VH.... Downtown, beaches, you name it.....
I just think, if done right (which is a big IF, of course, in hindsight), they could have been hitting that elite level of bands.... IMO their combination of fantastic music and stage shows gave it at least a possibility....
I've told this story many times, but in 1984 my buddy Barrie, who had been front row with me for the 4 previous tours, and I decided we were going to join the Navy. We go to the recruiting office, and we're talking to the recruiter. We get down to the nitty gritty and he tells us we'll need to go home and pack, as we'd be leaving in the morning. I'm like "In the morning as tomorrow morning?" He tells us yeah, that's the deal, we sign up and then leave in the morning. Now I don't know the real logic in that, other than they might want to move fast so you didn't have time to change your mind, back in those days, but that's the way he presented it. Anyway, I tell the guy "I can't leave tomorrow, Van Halen is in town next week". He tells me if I'm signing up, I'm leaving in the morning. Long story short, I never went in the Navy. Barrie did, and hated every second of it. I still have Barrie's full ticket from the show, that he never got to use.
Van Halen had the biggest stage show/production of any rock band touring in 1984, period. However, to me, the "stage show" and some of the production hurt the '84 tour. The flow of the show just wasn't as good with all the extracurricular crap. Dave had to change costumes every other song it seemed, do his sword routine, the long drum, bass and guitar solos. I don't know, the previous shows seemed more straight ahead in your face rock music shows, than productions. I never wanted VH to go stadiums, even though I would have loved to have been at the US Festival.
I still don't care for Stadium shows to this day. I saw several bands at the Pontiac Silverdome. Didn't care for that. I prefer a more intimate show.
Cool story but a little sad, am sorry you only ever had one friend and he went away and you didn't know anyone else to give the ticket to.
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Given the amount of backing tapes stadium acts use and the fact that you watch the TV monitors most of the gig it's basically worse than putting a small plastic chair in your lounge and watching a DVD while drinking $10 beers. In the summer here it is still daylight at 10pm so that sucks away even more atmosphere as you lose any light show.
That promoters have the fucking cheek to charge extra for stadium shows pisses me off, it would need to be something extra special to pursuade me to go to one these days.
The US Festival wasn't really a stadium show. Glen Hellen or whatever it's called now is an amphitheater. It was all lawn seating then but it has reserved seating with actual seats and lawn seating now. It was more like Cal Jam at Ontario Motor Speedway but way more organized. I had to hold my piss at Cal Jam from 2 in the morning until it got dark that evening. At that point I just whipped it out and started pissing. So did thousands of other dudes. At the US it was fairly easy to move around once you made it out of the crowd.
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