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Just like I predicted, look at what Bette said....
I'd say, "Dave, you go out and play two songs, then walk off the stage. I walk out, I'll do two songs. I'll walk off, you do two songs." Can you imagine the competition of that? Dave goes out and does "Jump," and "Ain't Talkin 'Bout Love." I go out there and blow out something like "Good Enough." You gotta hit it hard, and you better be good. I would give my money to food banks if they would do the same. I would love to give the fans the greatest Van Halen show they could possibly have today. And then say, "OK, I still don't like you guys."
He doesn't care about the money, he wants to rub it in Roth's face. While Hagar's voice has weakened as well at age 70, it's not to the point of the yelping that Dave has done the last two tours....Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee RothComment
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If this is going to happen at all, I would say the following ground rules must be set:
1) Dave doesn't sing "Jump" or "I'll Wait".
2) Spam doesn't sing any of his cheese ballads. (In fact, Eddie can just leave the synthesizer at home)
3) Neither of them sings "Panama". It's been performed on every tour since 1984. Wouldn't hurt to skip it.
4) Mike Sobolewski plays the bass. Wolfie's clearly got other musical involvements, so no loss for him, really.
5) Do something really bizarre for an encore like a cover of The Band's "The Weight" and have Dave, Spam, Mikey, and Ed each take the lead vocal on a verse (which is pretty much how The Band did it, and also The Grateful Dead when they covered it live)
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The greatest possible show Van Halen fans could have today would be CVH reuniting.
Truth be told, even that show now wouldn't be nearly what it could have been 20 years ago when it should have happened in the first place.
But all that the band needs to do to bring about a semi-honorable ending to the group is to take it back to where it began.
Because THAT is what fans want to see.
Fans don't want to see David Lee Roth's participation in Van Halen dictated by whatever Sammy Hagar thinks appropriate. "Uh, Dave does two songs, then he walks off, then I do two songs..."
Hey, fuck you, Hagar. Van Halen didn't become a world-class rock act in the first place on the basis of your dictates: you were writing songs for Rick-fucking-Springfield (you know, songs that WEREN'T 'Jessie's Girl') while Roth, the Van Halens and Anthony were conquering America.
Were it not for what Roth, the Van Halens and Anthony built, you wouldn't have had a diamond selling act to step into: your first album with Van Halen didn't move 6 million albums on the back end of the I Can't Drive 55 'hysteria'.
In conclusion, show (for once) a little fucking respect for the institution that was built prior to your arrival...the institution you had no part in building.
You wanna do Van Halen fans a favor? Persuade Mike Anthony and the Van Halens to do a tour with Roth.
Fuckin' asshole.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I truly dont want to see anything by Van Halen..unless its NEW..dont need to see a tired, same old song and dance.Touring is useless, with or without MA, if they are gonna stick to the script of playing the same songs nightly. Put out a new lp, mix up the setlist, and maybe I'm interested.Comment
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There's no reason for Dave to agree to any sort of co-headlining tour, so what's his motivation here? He's just dying to wait in the wings waiting his turn while watching Hagar strut around in Capris while licking his fingers to Poundcake? I think not. I don't know what Sam's motivation is, but to me it reeks of a backdoor way to be back in VH (such as it would be) because it seems like Ed has zero interest in getting Sam's version back together, so something is better than nothing.
I see VH as being a mansion built by Al, Dave, Ed and Mike. They were the guys out there sawing, pouring cement and pounding nails. Hagar is the dude who shows up, grabs a beer and pats himself on the back for how fucking awesome the place is when his contribution amounted to being the guy who kept the lawns mowed and the leaves out of the pool.Comment
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I think Sam's motivation is the same it has always been with regard to Van Halen.
He honestly believes what he and Eddie created is right up there with what Lennon & McCartney, Jagger & Richards, Page & Plant and any other number of legendary, iconic rock acts created. He talks about having elevated CVH to a higher level, mostly based on the amount of #1 albums Van Hagar had and number of singles which charted as compared to CVH. Total album sales be damned (and even with those, Hagar tends to combine the total number of album sales the band had throughout its existence rather than differentiate between the albums he wasn't involved in).
It clearly sticks in his craw that his last tour with the band was unanimously regarded as a disaster, against which the subsequent tours - for all their flaws - appear to have been successful by comparison. The tracks he did for the BOBW album are largely forgotten, as opposed to the two tracks Roth did in 1996 (just the mere mention of them being recorded, mind you) sparking a massive amount of interest in CVH reuniting.
Hagar wants one more shot with Van Halen to prove his tenure with the band was something other than a lengthy afterthought which continues to pale against the memory of the original, definitive version of the band, and that the interest in Van Hagar wasn't something largely inherited from what CVH had already achieved prior to Hagar's arrival.
As if Hagar continuing to say that he was as important as Roth and Sam Halen's music was as important as Van Halen's will eventually change the conventional wisdom around toward his version of reality.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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If Roth's sense of ego remains the same as it always has, he'll stay far away from any co-headlining Van Halen tour.
If for no other reason than that the reality now, as Va Beach VH Fan said, is that Roth's voice live is far less of what it used to be than Hagar regarding his own voice. Hagar's voice has, frankly, held up much better than Dave's.Last edited by Terry; 06-25-2017, 01:32 PM.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I definitely agree that the '04 shit show tour is a strong motivator for Sam and I understand why. Ed was in top form in '12 and '15 and was a drunken mess in '04, so I'm sure Sam feels cheated in that regard. But, as we've discussed around here before, '04 was as much on Sam as it was Ed because Sam knew the shape Ed was in and went forward anyway, although he's attempted to deflect that a bit with his "deep contracts" commentary about how punitive it would have been to him financially if he'd bailed on that tour.
Dave refused to share the stage with him in '02 when Dave was at a much lower point in his career, so why would he suddenly do it now? Does not compute for me. On a side note, it's too bad that Me Wise and Can't Get This Stuff have fallen in to an era that the band has basically erased from memory because I enjoy both those songs and would love to hear them live.Comment
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That and the opportunity to quit playing 3000 seat casinos..at least he " Sold Out"....
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What? Spam's playing at the Tulalip casino on Thursday? Funny how I've heard NOTHING about this show on the radio. Even on the stations which occasionally play Van Hagar songs before my brain is caffeinated in the morning and put me in a shitty mood all day, as a result.
I've never been to that casino, but I'm assuming it's the same size venue as any of the other tribal casinos around the region, so I'm actually surprised he could sell tickets without publicity.Eat Us And Smile
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Oh, were I in Hagar's shoes, I wouldn't want my last activity with Van Halen to be the BOBW tracks and the tour that followed, either. That is a totally understandable reaction on his part. And to piggyback on what you said, Hagar in book admitted when he first met up with Eddie in the late fall of 2003 or early 2004 (I can't remember offhand now exactly when it was), Hagar's first impression was that Eddie was fucked up. I don't know what the sequence of events was regarding the timing of when the tour was booked and when the contracts were signed and the particulars of the contracts in terms of Hagar being on the hook financially if he pulled out (was that from the get-go, did the band take an advance on the tour, was it after tickets went on sale, etc.). Hagar describes in detail how befuddled Eddie acted throughout the recording process for the BOBW stuff and how Eddie couldn't get through a full-set rehearsal because he couldn't remember the material well enough to play it. In the end, Hagar in essence says he put too much faith in his belief that Ed would get himself cleaned up so he could perform properly and be able to do the tour. I never heard Hagar say he would have been willing to refund anybody who saw those shows whatever he made off of them, which would have circumvented whatever liabilities or penalties Hagar would have garnered under breach of contract for bailing on the tour. Hagar did the tour, collected his money, didn't say shit while any of it was happening, then made some more money by turning around and using that stuff to sell a book a few years after the tour ended. So, the idea propagated by Hagar that HE was a class act through the 2004 debacle as opposed to Eddie...not so much.
Hagar and Anthony publicly bitched about how Dave refused to go onstage with them during the 2002 tour. I think Roth made a fairly obvious choice in that he knew teaming up with Hagar in 2002 would reignite media interest in Roth's solo career as a performing entity churning out the CVH hits in a way that probably nothing else Roth did in 2002 could have. Even with that being the case, I think Roth was still aware enough of the value of a Van Halen reunion that while it was one thing to hit the road fronting a bunch of unknowns playing the CVH stuff, getting up onstage with Hagar and Anthony in 2002 was relegating Roth to the second banana freak show status that Hagar and Anthony were so comfortable with...plus, doubtless Roth didn't want to be seen as needing a gimmick like having Mike Anthony appear with him onstage to pull off a good show.
I'd quite like to hear MWM and CGSTNM live, as well. I tend to doubt I will, but who knows? I will say that for the last three tours Van Halen has managed to insert a revolving selection of deep cuts into the sets, and vary them from tour to tour. So they've busted out over the last decade...what...The Full Bug, Little Guitars, Women In Love, Outta Love Again, Light Up The Sky, Drop Dead Legs, Girl Gone Bad, Dirty Movies, Hang 'Em High, Little Dreamer, Atomic Punk...I wouldn't say either of the '96 tunes are totally outside the realm of possibility should the band undertake another tour.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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