Van Hagar To Tour In 2017

[vandeleur]

Post em up so we can ridicule I mean discuss them

Hold on I will get my secretary to sort it

[Angel]

I stand by my original post. If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow. But obviously, I don't think I will be.

You should go read Fudds most recent post on the thread at the Links...

[twonabomber]

I saw it on some FB group.

RUMOR MILL BACK UP
PER FUDD @ VHLINKS...

Ok guys. Here goes.
Dave is recording new music with Van Halen. They are recording at 5150. They are together. Not separated. There is a box set in the works. It's supposedly all eras. That's where the Yessup came into my lap only from a documentation standpoint. The three twins and diamond Dave music were also on the document.
The plan was initially to have a both era tour. Dave wasn't on board with sharing a bill. But, if they were to tour with Sam and Mike it would've only been with Daves blessing. Dave has not left or planning on leaving the band. The Sam and mike tour was only a contingency plan.
A lot of this is dovetailing Wolfs album being released. They want Him to get exposure and what better way to get that than be in Van Halen.
They have recorded a fair amount of NEW MUSIC!!! Warner brothers will be the company that distributes it.
Another member said something about daves health. If he wants to chime in he can. He's ok. So don't fret.
Worth noting, they are getting along. And it was his idea to work together in the studio.
There are some more minor things but it's legal and I can't say anything about that to protect someone. Nothing major.
5150, OU812, and FUCK will be remastered.

[FORD]

Why would F.U.C.K. need to be remastered? It was the only Van Hagar record that sounded good (aside from the lead vocals, of course)

The other two had no bottom end whatsoever, and the only thing that could fix them (again, aside from scrapping Hagar's vocals entirely) would be if Alex completely recorded his drum parts, using actual drums insteat of that synth shit.

[FORD]

And putting Van Hagar songs in a Van Halen box set would be a HUGE mistake. Rather than one big box, they should take the "Beatles Anthology" approach and release that Velveeta drenched shit seperately.

[Nickdfresh]

And putting Van Hagar songs in a Van Halen box set would be a HUGE mistake. Rather than one big box, they should take the "Beatles Anthology" approach and release that Velveeta drenched shit seperately.

My guess is that they would. I'm sure they're going through various contingencies if this is at all true...

[Seshmeister]

I stand by my original post. If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow. But obviously, I don't think I will be.

Well if the new rumor is true you would only have been half wrong but its a decent sized half.

[Seshmeister]

The other two had no bottom end whatsoever, and the only thing that could fix them (again, aside from scrapping Hagar's vocals entirely) would be if Alex completely recorded his drum parts, using actual drums insteat of that synth shit.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhsssssss

I had a theory maybe everyone at 5150 had lost their top end hearing by that point.

AVH sounded like white noise. I'm saying that based on 25 year old memories though.

It's not an overstatement at all to say that like holocaust survivors revisiting death camps, I am very reluctant to go back and listen to Van Hagar.

[vandeleur]

Crow for one please

[Von Halen]

Well if the new rumor is true you would only have been half wrong but its a decent sized half.

I stand firmly behind my original post. Like I said, I will GLADLY eat crow if I end up being wrong.

In my mind, that post is good for fans of both eras. It would seem these guys may finally be thinking logically, after all these years. They can definitely get back into my pocket with new Dave music. They will get back into Van Hagar fans pocket with remasters. Let's hope whatever they include in this box set, it includes an old live show on Blu-Ray.

Of course Dave will give his blessing to whatever they have planned. He has no choice. He can play in the sandbox with them, or he can alienate himself from them for a third time. Maybe he has come to the realization a third strike would more than likely be his last.

My original thought to Dave not wanting to do a dual tour with Hagar, is because that would require him to legitimize that era of VH. However, if he is okay with them touring, then he is legitimizing it in a sense anyway. Not to mention, if he were to do a dual tour, he would be required to perform better every night, than he's done on the last couple of tours. One thing it would allow him to do with a shorter set list, is sing mostly only the "hit" songs he's so in love with. Most of the ones I don't care if I ever here them live again.

Let's think about the one major positive about all this. It would seem there might be an opportunity for Mike to get back in the fold.

Who knows with these fucking guys? But either way, it seems there is at least activity. Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at 5150 with Ed, Al, Dave, Mike, Clichegar and Wolf all there? I'm thinking Wolf would be the most mature of all of them!

I'm pretty sure one of the upcoming announcements will be the debut of the Striped Series 5150 at NAMM in January. Just remember, Gibson owns Kramer now, so it may not be exact. Not that any of the other Striped Series are exact to the originals anyway, but, I think this one is more apparent because of the Gibson vs Fender deal.

[ZahZoo]

Post em up so we can ridicule I mean discuss them

Only time will tell if Von's news stands the test of time...

[DONNIEP]

If they do a Sam and Dave tour will Dave break out the '02 tour outfits?

[vandeleur]

If they do a Sam and Dave tour will Dave break out the '02 tour outfits?

Can you fit into anything you wore 14 years ago ?

[Von Halen]

Can you fit into anything you wore 14 years ago ?

I can.

[vandeleur]

I can.

shhhh you seen the size of donnie

[DONNIEP]

Can you fit into anything you wore 14 years ago ?

Shirts, no. And in about six months the answer will be no for the rest of it. Except shoes. Steroids apparently don't make your feet bigger.

[vandeleur]

Shirts, no. And in about six months the answer will be no for the rest of it. Except shoes. Sandwiches apparently don't make your feet bigger.

Fixed it

[Nickdfresh]

If they do a Sam and Dave tour will Dave break out the '02 tour outfits?

[wiseguy]

Not really direct competition, but Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are touring April through August.

Cause the waaaaaittingg is the hardest part

[Jetstream]

So what really is going to happen is Dave and the guys do a new LP, Mike goes on one more tour with them, they release remasters of Van Hagar for the money and Hagar does nothing but be fortunate he has more CDs where he is relevant out... altogether, "Goodbye Baby!" because he was never good enough to front Van Halen

[twonabomber]

Sammy has been interviewed by Billboard. VH related section follows:

About the only thing not on Hagar’s plate at the moment is anything with Van Halen. Fans were heartened when he exchanged pleasantries with Eddie Van Halen around the guitarist’s birthday in January, though things never went any further.

"Let’s put it like this — when it came to my birthday, I didn’t get a message,” Hagar notes, “so obviously that camp, him and Al, still have some kind of trip against me. I’m certainly not looking to get back in that band when I’ve got Chickenfoot sitting in my lap and I’m scared to grab the reigns of that one. Van Halen would be twice the nightmare of the workload and the anxieties about getting along or being worried about being stabbed in the back again or something. I don’t want to put myself in that situation, that’s for sure."

Hagar then adds a quick, "but you never know" and throws out the idea of going on the road with the original Van Halen, including David Lee Roth and Anthony back on bass, with the two singers trading off songs they recorded with the group. "That’s really the only way I would be interested in a Van Halen reunion," Hagar says.

"Everybody’s saying, ‘Well, what would it take?'" Hagar says. "For me, no money, man. I don’t need money. I would do that for the fans and give the money to food banks or something. I’m not sure anybody else would agree with me, but that would interest me enough to sit down across the table from everybody and work that one out."


Read more: http://www.vhnd.com/2017/03/13/sammy...#ixzz4bFiP3QFI

The Circle is playing the Hard Rock Rocksino here in July. Tickets start at $85 and top out $187.50. So his "I don't need the money" statement is bullshit.

[DONNIEP]

I'd have a hard time justifying almost 200 bucks to see VH. Ain't no way I'd pay that to see Slappy.

[twonabomber]

I just looked at the seating chart. There are two $85 tickets left, and a bunch of resellers asking over $200 for tickets that were originally $85. And seats on the floor that were $187 being offered at $500. I hope those fuckers choke on those tickets.

[FORD]

Geezus... for that price there better be a case of Hagar's overpriced tequila included!

[Terry]

Sammy has been interviewed by Billboard. VH related section follows:



The Circle is playing the Hard Rock Rocksino here in July. Tickets start at $85 and top out $187.50. So his "I don't need the money" statement is bullshit.

Jesus Christ!

I gotta tell ya, MAYBE if The Circle had Satriani in the lineup - which would basically make it Chickenfoot (would it really matter too much if it was Chad Smith or Jason Bonham drumming? In terms of drawing and drumming power, both are pretty much evenly rated in my book).

So if you have Hagar, Anthony, Bonham/Smith AND Satriani onstage...I could certainly see making a case for some where that would be worth between $50 and $100 per ticket to see. Particularly since the venue holds a little more than 2,000 people and is presumably designed and constructed with live music in mind, so the sound will probably be good. And - whatever I think of their current musical output to one side (honestly, him being John Bonham's son is to me the most noteworthy thing about Jason Bonham, far more noteworthy than the vast majority of bands he has played with or recording projects he has been involved with...or even his drumming, when I come right down to it) - Hagar, Anthony, Satriani, Smith and Jason Bonham strictly in terms of name visibility do garner a certain amount of clout at the ticket booth in terms of price.

No Satriani, but instead Vic Johnson from the Bus Boys? The band most notable for being fucking everything that moved to the point where when they visited Eddie Murphy at his house the fish would stop swimming? Mmmmmmm...NOT quite sure THAT lineup is worth a foundational price of $85 a pop.

[twonabomber]

Particularly since the venue holds a little more than 2,000 people and is presumably designed and constructed with live music in mind, so the sound will probably be good.

I saw Jeff Beck at the Rocksino in 2015. It's a plain rectangular room, with screens on either side of the stage, and rows of folding chairs. Three sections, center, and left and right. There's a small bleacher section at the back of the room. Entrance/exits only at the back of the room. I think 2k is a good estimate of capacity, House Of Blues Cleveland is about 1,500 in a smaller room, but with a balcony.

Sound wasn't bad, I don't remember if there were baffles hanging from the ceiling or not. Not as decorated as, say, a House Of Blues. The venue has its own bar, concessions, and restrooms, so you're not fighting with gamblers to get a drink. And it's not downtown and parking is free.

[Terry]

Sammy has been interviewed by Billboard. VH related section follows:



The Circle is playing the Hard Rock Rocksino here in July. Tickets start at $85 and top out $187.50. So his "I don't need the money" statement is bullshit.

As to the rest of Hagar's hypothetical future Van Halen tour arrangement, I find it interesting that Hagar's "Sam and Dave play with Van Halen" tour proposal has shifted from 15 years ago, where then he suggested he and Dave each do a set with the band to it now being him and Dave "trading off" songs with the band.

Sensible in one respect because it eliminates any friction over both singers doing a set with the band and bitching over who opens and who closes, but I gotta tell ya...fuck, man, is that the ONLY way we're gonna get to see Anthony rejoin and see CVH play again? If we have to endure Van Fucking Hagar playing every other tune during the show? And having to see Hagar hanging around onstage while CVH is-playing? Is Hagar STILL THAT fucking desperate AT THIS LATE DATE to have his tenure with the band somehow solidified with what the band accomplished with Roth?

Goes to Hagar's mindset: despite decades of his interview bravado re: oversized estimates of his record sales and tour attendances with Van Halen vs. Roth's, how he was "the better singer" than Dave...despite ALL that bullshit, somewhere deep down Sammy Hagar KNOWS when it comes to Van Halen there is really only one singer for the band who ever really mattered. And Sammy wasn't that singer. And KNOWING that still troubles him. And me KNOWING that about Hagar somehow brightens my day.

Hey, Sammy, I'll do you one better: you WERE the better singer between you and Roth. And Roth STILL is the only singer for Van Halen who ever really mattered. Keep THAT in the back of your mind when you and The Circle encore with "The Boys Are Back In Town (feat. The Bus Boys Vic Johnson!!)" at the Rocksino in July!!!

Ya bloated, washed up Jimmy Buffett wannabe! Your career high was fobbing off 2nd rate David Lee Roth impressions in the 1980s, and the ghost of Ronnie Montrose wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire!!!

Fat fuck.

[Terry]

I saw Jeff Beck at the Rocksino in 2015. It's a plain rectangular room, with screens on either side of the stage, and rows of folding chairs. Three sections, center, and left and right. There's a small bleacher section at the back of the room. Entrance/exits only at the back of the room. I think 2k is a good estimate of capacity, House Of Blues Cleveland is about 1,500 in a smaller room, but with a balcony.

Sound wasn't bad, I don't remember if there were baffles hanging from the ceiling or not. Not as decorated as, say, a House Of Blues. The venue has its own bar, concessions, and restrooms, so you're not fighting with gamblers to get a drink. And it's not downtown and parking is free.

From what I saw on the website when I was looking up the capacity, it actually looks like a decent venue to see a band play at.

Truth be told, perhaps one of the best shows of Dave's I ever saw was at the Hard Rock Live in Orlando in 2006. The venue was clearly designed for live music, so it was a great sound/great acoustics, and the capacity was maybe upwards of 3,000 but spread out between an expansive floor area and balcony seating (which is where I was), so you weren't packed in there like sardines. And the ticket price was around...I dunno, $35? Around there.

The funniest part of it was seeing the posters at the venue advertising the gig, which were a large pic of Roth singing circa 1978. My old lady was like, "I don't think Dave QUITE looks like that anymore..."

[Va Beach VH Fan]

The band most notable for being fucking everything that moved to the point where when they visited Eddie Murphy at his house the fish would stop swimming?

Excellent Delirious reference, my friend....

I have to see Satriani with HIS OWN excellent group of musicians, like I did a year ago.... Fantastic watching him work his magic....

But seeing him with Bette would absolutely ruin the experience....

[Terry]

Excellent Delirious reference, my friend....

I have to see Satriani with HIS OWN excellent group of musicians, like I did a year ago.... Fantastic watching him work his magic....

But seeing him with Bette would absolutely ruin the experience....

I've never been all THAT overwhelmed with Satriani, even when Surfing With The Alien was out in the late 1980s and everyone was touting him as (yet ANOTHER - about the 5th different one since 1985) 2nd coming of Eddie Van Halen...or Jeff Beck...or Jimi Hendrix.

Talented technician. Does wonderful instrumental stuff. Can't come up with an original, memorable rock tune that involves a vocalist: with him, he's at his best when his guitar is the sole focal point. And that's fine for what it is. In the end, though, for me songs tend to resonate rather than solos.

Having said all that, clearly Satriani has little to no hope of coming up with an original, memorable rock tune if Hagar is the lyrical foil. It's probably a slim chance "Satch" could come with one anyway, but it drops from slim to none if Hagar is involved. To extend that point beyond what I already have, Hagar's most memorable rock tunes weren't noteworthy for their guitar solos.

I mean, if Eddie Van Halen couldn't elevate Hagar's game (keeping in mind that Eddie used to be able to create that perfect balance of hooks, riffs, rhythms and solos and fuse all of that into some of the greatest rock tunes ever), suffice to say Hagar won't be able to turn Satriani into the all-around great rock player Eddie Van Halen was.

[Jetstream]

As to the rest of Hagar's hypothetical future Van Halen tour arrangement, I find it interesting that Hagar's "Sam and Dave play with Van Halen" tour proposal has shifted from 15 years ago, where then he suggested he and Dave each do a set with the band to it now being him and Dave "trading off" songs with the band.

Sensible in one respect because it eliminates any friction over both singers doing a set with the band and bitching over who opens and who closes, but I gotta tell ya...fuck, man, is that the ONLY way we're gonna get to see Anthony rejoin and see CVH play again? If we have to endure Van Fucking Hagar playing every other tune during the show? And having to see Hagar hanging around onstage while CVH is-playing? Is Hagar STILL THAT fucking desperate AT THIS LATE DATE to have his tenure with the band somehow solidified with what the band accomplished with Roth?

Goes to Hagar's mindset: despite decades of his interview bravado re: oversized estimates of his record sales and tour attendances with Van Halen vs. Roth's, how he was "the better singer" than Dave...despite ALL that bullshit, somewhere deep down Sammy Hagar KNOWS when it comes to Van Halen there is really only one singer for the band who ever really mattered. And Sammy wasn't that singer. And KNOWING that still troubles him. And me KNOWING that about Hagar somehow brightens my day.

Hey, Sammy, I'll do you one better: you WERE the better singer between you and Roth. And Roth STILL is the only singer for Van Halen who ever really mattered. Keep THAT in the back of your mind when you and The Circle encore with "The Boys Are Back In Town (feat. The Bus Boys Vic Johnson!!)" at the Rocksino in July!!!

Ya bloated, washed up Jimmy Buffett wannabe! Your career high was fobbing off 2nd rate David Lee Roth impressions in the 1980s, and the ghost of Ronnie Montrose wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire!!!

Fat fuck.

If they tour with Hagar and the lead singers switch off every few songs, there are going to be fights in the crowd because Hagar fan will be next to Roth fan with Hagar already stating this as a competition... on the Sam and Dave tour, the set approach separated the fans who where die hard to leave or show up for their respective music and no band has a more passionate discord between a fan base than Van Halen because it's really two different bands

[THEDOCTOR]

I can never ever see DLR being up for this for so many reasons.

[Terry]

I can never ever see DLR being up for this for so many reasons.

On some nostalgic level, out of a sheer sense of dignity for what the band achieved with him at the helm years ago, I'd hope DLR wouldn't participate in a co-Roth/Hagar Van Halen tour of the scenario Hagar recently hypothesized...or any other Hagar-related scenario. It was one thing when Roth and Hagar went out on the road together as solo acts, but this would be something else...and a bit of a lame way to wind down the band.

However, Roth was once adamant that he wouldn't do a Van Halen reunion unless Biff Malibu was part of the group, yet Roth compromised on that when push came to shove.

Honestly, that Hagar scenario wouldn't surprise me if it came to pass. Realistically, how many more tours does Roth have in him? He's not really cutting it as it is now. If it were a binary choice of the Hagar scenario or no more tours, would it be a shock if Roth did the tour and got a final, sizable payday? I'm not sure I'd even bear Roth that much ill will at this point for doing it: guy has got to bank up some dough for retirement somehow, and I doubt any more forays into morning radio with a lucrative contract attached will be presenting themselves after Dave retires from VH. Trying to re-ignite his solo career these days probably wouldn't be a cash boom, either.

But let's hope Dave doesn't do it regardless.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

On some nostalgic level, out of a sheer sense of dignity for what the band achieved with him at the helm years ago, I'd hope DLR wouldn't participate in a co-Roth/Hagar Van Halen tour of the scenario Hagar recently hypothesized...or any other Hagar-related scenario. It was one thing when Roth and Hagar went out on the road together as solo acts, but this would be something else...and a bit of a lame way to wind down the band.

However, Roth was once adamant that he wouldn't do a Van Halen reunion unless Biff Malibu was part of the group, yet Roth compromised on that when push came to shove.

Honestly, that Hagar scenario wouldn't surprise me if it came to pass. Realistically, how many more tours does Roth have in him? He's not really cutting it as it is now. If it were a binary choice of the Hagar scenario or no more tours, would it be a shock if Roth did the tour and got a final, sizable payday? I'm not sure I'd even bear Roth that much ill will at this point for doing it: guy has got to bank up some dough for retirement somehow, and I doubt any more forays into morning radio with a lucrative contract attached will be presenting themselves after Dave retires from VH. Trying to re-ignite his solo career these days probably wouldn't be a cash boom, either.

But let's hope Dave doesn't do it regardless.

Yeah, the more time goes on, the more I think this dual singer setup is gonna happen.... With Mike.....

And as speculation has grown, coinciding with the VH I 40th anniversary next year.....It links up with the 3 year hiatus between tours they've been doing.... Do one more big tour, pocket one last retirement cash cow, and call it a day.....

But the format is a no-win situation.... Doing half the show with Roth and the other half with Bette WILL most definitely result in people leaving at halftime.... And if they did it a few songs at a time, that would suck bigtime....

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Any of those CVH/Van Haggis formulas would suck bigtime anyway, wouldn't they?

[Terry]

Yeah, the more time goes on, the more I think this dual singer setup is gonna happen.... With Mike.....

And as speculation has grown, coinciding with the VH I 40th anniversary next year.....It links up with the 3 year hiatus between tours they've been doing.... Do one more big tour, pocket one last retirement cash cow, and call it a day.....

But the format is a no-win situation.... Doing half the show with Roth and the other half with Bette WILL most definitely result in people leaving at halftime.... And if they did it a few songs at a time, that would suck bigtime....

Seemingly the only way we're going to see Mike onstage with the Van Halens is if Sammy is somehow involved. The extension of that is seemingly the only way we're gonna see Mike and Dave onstage with the Van Halens is if it is that Hagar/Roth co-headlining tour with the Van Halens.

To be sure, for Hagar and Roth such a format is a no-win situation, because both of those guys want to close the show...or at least perform the closing set: I tend to think Roth would feel more uncomfortable with this than Hagar. Hagar is clearly up for anything as long as he gets to play with the Van Halens again, even trading off songs with Dave. Dave just doesn't feel Hagar's contribution to Van Halen was even deserving of it being done under the name Van Halen, much less standing up side by side to what Roth brought to the band.

At this point, how badly do I want to see CVH perform live in front of my naked, steaming eyes? Not enough to endure a night of Sam Hagar forced upon me due to some oddball setlist of alternating lineups from one tune to the next in order to accommodate the feelings of the musicians involved. I honestly don't give a shit if the Van Halens and Roth are getting along these days, or if Mike has a problem with Wolfie, or what. I'm a fan of CVH. Not a tea leaf-reading pop psychologist.

I don't care who is still angry at who for whatever transpired decades ago.

If Ed, Mike, Al and Dave want to mount a farewell tour as CVH and play a full setlist of CVH tunes with the CVH lineup (and no special guest appearances by Wolfgang or Sammy), I'll be up for one last Van Halen show. I'll make an effort to get tickets. And if I can't get tickets, I really won't be too bummed about it, since at this point such a tour would be as much a requiem as a celebration.

Anything short of that (Wolfie instead of/in addition to Mike, Hagar instead of/in addition to Roth), I'm not interested.

[Nickdfresh]

Seemingly the only way we're going to see Mike onstage with the Van Halens is if Sammy is somehow involved. The extension of that is seemingly the only way we're gonna see Mike and Dave onstage with the Van Halens is if it is that Hagar/Roth co-headlining tour with the Van Halens.

....

Mike would dive head first into a CVH reunion and I doubt he gives that much of a shit about the Sam era at this point...

[Terry]

Mike would dive head first into a CVH reunion and I doubt he gives that much of a shit about the Sam era at this point...

I dunno about that.

I mean, I don't know the guy, but...like, I could see Anthony doing it as a gesture for the fans, but I couldn't see Anthony doing it out of any particular allegiance toward or concern for his relationship with the Van Halens. Mostly because, according to Anthony, he no longer has any such relationship. Hasn't for a decade +. And he has even less of a relationship with Roth.

So it'd be hard to imagine Anthony doing a CVH reunion unless Anthony got an equal cut of the tour profits: the guy went ahead and did the 2004 tour for a reduced wage, despite neither of the Van Halens even wanting him around, and he was only there at Hagar's insistence.

Hagar has Anthony's back. The Van Halens and Roth don't. Short of a decent payday and a goodwill gesture to the fans, there's no other motivation for Anthony to rejoin Roth, Eddie and Alex: he's certainly not going to do it out of a sense of loyalty to his former bandmates. Why would he? None of them were particularly loyal to him in the end run.

I dunno. Anthony has such a publicly passive attitude toward all of it there are times where I wonder if the guy was born without a spine...or even one of two testicles.

One-nut Malibu.

[Nickdfresh]

He would do it for the money and because he was a bass player in Van Halen long before Hagar sang with them...

[ZahZoo]

Our opinions are swayed by wading through so much muck and bullshit from the Van Halen Soap Opera™ that has been the narrative of these guy's legacy.

If you were to step back from all that... The 2018 anniversary could present a simple business opportunity for all of the past/present band members. Put together a big show, cover the bases for all eras, limited performances in a few select big venues world-wide and some sort of big box set music/video product release. Something for all the fans and a final shot for the band and their legacy.

Divide up 90% the proceeds evenly for the 5 original members... and give Wolf and Cherone, if included, the remainder. Keep it short... 2 months of prep & rehearsals. 2 months of shows in the US, Europe, Japan, Australia and maybe South America.