CIA Says Soviets Helped Trump Win Election

[cadaverdog]

This is something that strikes me as a european as strange. US has always treated communism as their worst enemy, but now all of a sudden Mr Putin is a god guy?

I'm not sure what his religious beliefs are.

[FORD]

Pooty is "religious" in the same sense that most of the later Roman emperors were. He believes that HE is a god. And apparently his royal Orange emperor Herr Cheeto is a True Believer.

[Seshmeister]

Since I'm not as rabid as some here when it comes to politics I've given Obama the benefit of the doubt on quite a few things including Obamacare but this is just stupid. As far as I know nobody has proved Russia has done jack shit.

This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.

Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.

Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.

Thirdly http://usuncut.com/politics/the-fbi-...ction-hacking/


You guys need to be careful about how you are getting your information. You should clear your cookies.

[cadaverdog]

This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.

I rarely watch TV. When I do it's not to watch the news. Your assumption that I'm brainwashed by right wing extremists is incorrect. I've spent way more time watching and listening to left wing extremists whose videos get posted here that I do watching and listening to right wing extremists. Politics outside of this web site don't take up much of my time.

Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.

I don't trust anyone.

Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.

Sure they do.

[Seshmeister]

Whatevs.

[cadaverdog]

Whatevs.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. I could use another good laugh tonight.

[cadaverdog]

And apparently his royal Orange emperor Herr Cheeto is a True Believer.

Good for him. Everybody needs something to believe in.

[FORD]

Well... at the risk of sounding like a John Birch Society right wing wackjob, circa 1968 or so.....

If Cheeto loves Putin and Russia so goddamn much, he should fucking move there!!

[cadaverdog]

If Cheeto loves Putin and Russia so goddamn much, he should fucking move there!!

You got 19 days to get out of town before the Fourth Reich begins. If I was you I'd be too busy packing my bags to be posting such nonsense. Heil Trump!

[FORD]

In the real Fourth Reich, you'll be the first to go.....

[ZahZoo]

This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.

Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.

Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.

Thirdly http://usuncut.com/politics/the-fbi-...ction-hacking/


You guys need to be careful about how you are getting your information. You should clear your cookies.

I don't doubt any of the "Intelligence reports" from the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc that say the Russians have been hacking in many places, both in governmental systems and private industry.

Specifically in direct relation to the election results though... I think the whole notion that Russia played any significant role in altering the election results is a bunch of bullshit.

The only matter I see from all this is they "may" have hacked Podesta's gmail account and fed the contents to wikileaks exposing internal Democratic crap. But it was verified that the content within those e-mails was not altered in any way... just exposed. No voting machines were compromised. No vote counts were hacked. Just a private e-mail account hosted on google.

With all that in mind... Trump had already beaten 16 Republican contenders in the primaries before any of the wikileaks stuff was released. Most American voters had already made up their minds on who they were voting for long before any of this was released. At best maybe a tiny portion of fence-sitters may have been swayed by this crap, but that's a huge stretch of the imagination.

My opinion is Russia may have played around... but I don't see any evidence that any of their bullshit swayed the American voters enough to credit their involvement as a significant factor in the election results. Enough people in the heartland of this country outside of the major population centers chose an unlikely change advocate... I feel confident those folks didn't give a shit what any Russians thought about it.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't doubt any of the "Intelligence reports" from the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc that say the Russians have been hacking in many places, both in governmental systems and private industry.

Specifically in direct relation to the election results though... I think the whole notion that Russia played any significant role in altering the election results is a bunch of bullshit.

The only matter I see from all this is they "may" have hacked Podesta's gmail account and fed the contents to wikileaks exposing internal Democratic crap. But it was verified that the content within those e-mails was not altered in any way... just exposed. No voting machines were compromised. No vote counts were hacked. Just a private e-mail account hosted on google.

With all that in mind... Trump had already beaten 16 Republican contenders in the primaries before any of the wikileaks stuff was released. Most American voters had already made up their minds on who they were voting for long before any of this was released. At best maybe a tiny portion of fence-sitters may have been swayed by this crap, but that's a huge stretch of the imagination.

My opinion is Russia may have played around... but I don't see any evidence that any of their bullshit swayed the American voters enough to credit their involvement as a significant factor in the election results. Enough people in the heartland of this country outside of the major population centers chose an unlikely change advocate... I feel confident those folks didn't give a shit what any Russians thought about it.

Whatever you want to believe, old man...

[Seshmeister]

I think it's not impossible given how close the election ended up being, that a bunch of democrats didn't vote at all because of the Russian hack but I think the FBI email (non)story the week before was much more important and probably swung it.

[Nickdfresh]

The FBI thing combined with Fake News did her in mainly...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/top-fake-news-of-2016?utm_term=.nyYNVvEjx#.nbzzAyE6O

[cadaverdog]

The FBI thing combined with Fake News did her in mainly...

What did her in was the fact she didn't think she could possibly lose even though the primaries proved otherwise. The Liberal media thought the same thing. Obviously they were wrong. If both parties were smart (they're not) they'd run their own primaries using their own rules. If someone like Bernie comes along and looks like he might be a contender the DNC (or the RNC) manipulates the results and he loses but nobody but the top dogs know he actually won. The penalty for challenging the party's integrity would be a swift kick out of the party.