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    In and Out Like Flynn?

    White House aide declines to back Flynn over Russia contact
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    U.S. National Security Advisor Michael Flynn boards Air Force One at West Palm Beach International airport in West Palm Beach, Florida U.S., February 12, 2017Image copyrightREUTERS

    Michael Flynn initially denied discussing sanctions but later said he could not be certain
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    A top White House official declined in several interviews over the weekend to defend national security adviser Michael Flynn, amid controversy over his alleged contacts with Russia.
    Mr Flynn reportedly discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak in the weeks before the inauguration.
    He denied talking about this issue but later said he could not be certain.
    Any discussion of sanctions could have violated laws against private citizens engaging in foreign policy.
    Who is Michael Flynn?

    The people around the president
    The controversy comes as Mr Trump faces his first major national security challenge, following the test by North Korea on Sunday of a ballistic missile.
    Mr Flynn would ordinarily be closely involved in determining the US response to such a test.
    How the controversy unfolded
    Mr Flynn is known to have spoken with Mr Kislyak several times by phone in December.
    Both Mr Flynn and US Vice-President Mike Pence denied that the two men discussed US sanctions imposed over Russia's actions in Ukraine and alleged hacking of the US Democratic Party.

    Senior White House Advisor Stephen Miller declined to back Mr Flynn
    But nine current and former officials later told the Washington Post that the issue had been discussed.
    A spokesman for Mr Flynn subsequently backtracked, telling reporters that the adviser now said he "couldn't be certain" he had not discussed the sanctions, prompting speculation that he may have misled the vice-president.
    Mr Pence and Mr Flynn reportedly spoke twice on Friday.
    What is the White House now saying?

    Stephen Miller, President Donald Trump's top policy adviser, declined to say when asked in a number of interviews whether Mr Trump backed Mr Flynn.
    Mr Miller said it was not his place to comment on the "sensitive matter" concerning Mr Flynn, who was an early supporter of Mr Trump but whose position in the administration is thought to be under scrutiny.
    Asked if the president still had confidence in Mr Flynn, Mr Miller responded: "That's a question for the president." Other White House officials also refuse to comment.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Monday that Mr Flynn and Mr Kislyak did not discuss lifting sanctions.
    What is the president's view?
    Mr Trump, who spent the weekend at his club in Florida, Mar-a-Lago, has yet to comment publicly. Mr Flynn was with Mr Trump at Mar-a-Lago over the weekend.

    The president is expected to face questions on the issue during a joint press conference with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday.
    Citing administration officials, the Associated Press reported that the president was troubled by the situation and uncertain as to whether he would ask Mr Flynn to step down.
    Adviser under fire
    Mr Flynn was an ardent supporter of Mr Trump during the campaign, and he has become a close ally of both the president and the president's chief strategist Steve Bannon.
    But questions have been raised about Mr Flynn's closeness with Russia.
    He attended a banquet last year held in honour of the Russian government, where he sat two seats away from Vladimir Putin.

    My Flynn was pictured dining with Russian leader Vladimir Putin in December 2015
    A top aide on Mr Flynn's team, Robin Townley, was this week denied security clearance by the CIA, preventing Mr Townley from taking up a post in Africa for which Mr Flynn had recommended him.
    And Mr Flynn's son has attracted unwelcome attention - and reportedly a personal rebuke from Mr Trump - after tweeting about the so-called Pizzagate fake news story, which alleged a pizzeria was the nexus of a paedophile ring involving Hillary Clinton and one of her aides, John Podesta.

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    The Donald is pissed supposedly, as is Pence. Apparently Flynn tried to circumvent U.S. intelligence surveillance by using encryption. Nothing fucking fishy at all..

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    Flynn is one of the best psychological warfare experts we have. He's not going to go anywhere. There's plenty of people who wish he would but dream on.
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    Flynn was brought in to clean up the intelligence community and was recommended by several people in the military for the job. The reason why is civilians who never served in the military were getting high positions in intelligence and getting us into wars. Iraq would be the perfect example of going into a war based of false intelligence. The military is tired of it. Flynn is hated by the likes of people like John Brennan. So this is a witch hunt more than anything. Hell. Barrack Obama talked to plenty of foreign officials when he was a candidate for president. If we were to enforce the silly Logan Act we probably would be arresting a big percentage of Washington DC. Now if you are selling out our country that's a different matter. All I can say is our CIA has done plenty of business with Mr. Putin. We paid Russia to access Afghanistan and bought equipment from them especially the helicopters that fly to high altitude. Since Russia is a nuclear armed power our military and their military are always in contact regardless of who sits in the White House. One thing to consider is Putin keeps the place stable. Better to have a guy like Putin in power who can keep it together and we can work with than to have that huge country break up with nuclear weapons all over inside it. Issues most politicians don't get and our military does and like most of the citizens the military doesn't trust our politicians either. So the bottom line is: We can stop going to war to go to war or we can have business as usual and most the US congress wants business as usual because they make money. Want to talk real crime. How about war profiteering? How about insider trading? How about having an illegal server with classified material on it? So this is all politically motivated mumbo jumbo more than any real issue dealing with national security. If the media and most the politicians were so concerned about our security they would be more concerned with who we let into our country. No it's get Flynn because he's going to step on our war profits. That's the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Flynn is one of the best psychological warfare experts we have. He's not going to go anywhere. There's plenty of people who wish he would but dream on.
    Oh, PLU-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE

    He's another Putin-bribed puppet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Flynn was brought in to clean up the intelligence community and was recommended by several people in the military for the job....
    By committing treason? He's a whack-job and no one recommended him nor could most of the other brass stand him which is why he was largely drummed out...

    It's funny to watch the cockroaches scurry when the light comes on - imagine if Clinton had talked to a Russian ambassador on an encrypted line when she wasn't in gov't...

    Trump already has shown he's going to decimate his legions, and Flynny boy might be one of the first along with Preibus and Spicer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    By committing treason? He's a whack-job and no one recommended him nor could most of the other brass stand him which is why he was largely drummed out...

    It's funny to watch the cockroaches scurry when the light comes on - imagine if Clinton had talked to a Russian ambassador on an encrypted line when she wasn't in gov't...

    Trump already has shown he's going to decimate his legions, and Flynny boy might be one of the first along with Preibus and Spicer....
    Treason? Please. He was unpopular because like Eisenhower, he was not a big fan of feeding the military industrial complex. People like Flynn can overthrow countries without a shot being fired. If you sell weapons you hate people like that. Oh well. As far as Spicer and Preibus are concerned they can get the axe at anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh, PLU-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE

    He's another Putin-bribed puppet.
    A polygraph test could find that out. You hold high security clearances you get random polygraph tests.

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    The best intelligence officer of his generation! Why isn't this the sound bite that recurs whenever Flynn's nomination is mentioned?

    Over the course of the war in Iraq, Flynn found himself in a race against time trying to understand and defeat al Qaeda in Iraq, Politico explains. Flynn grew to discover that al Qaeda cadres were sophisticated men with advanced degrees, unlike their thuggish footsoldiers, and spent hours upon hours interviewing captured senior al Qaeda leaders. "During the course of those interrogations and hundreds of others in both Iraq and Afghanistan, Flynn concluded that what united the terrorist warlords was a common ideology, specifically the extremely conservative and fundamentalist Salafi strain of Islam," Politico says. Senior al Qaeda leaders, sophisticated men who could get a job elsewhere if they wanted, were "true believers, every bit as committed to their ideology and skewed moral universe as Flynn was to his own."

    From this discovery, came a key insight: Radical Islamic terrorism was there to stay in Iraq and in the Middle East. Flynn tried to communicate that and was angered that his alarmist intelligence dispatches were watered down as they made their way up the chain of command to the National Security Council and the president's desk. Infamously and disastrously, President Obama confidently described ISIS as a "JV" version of al Qaeda. By all accounts, the Obama administration simply did not accept that Sunni terrorism in Iraq and Syria was not "on the run," because it was politically and ideologically inconvenient. As a result, a lot of people died who might have otherwise lived, and Michael Flynn was canned.
    As usual. The most competent get canned. No wonder the government runs like shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    As usual. The most competent get canned. No wonder the government runs like shit.
    STFU! You don't know anything about this authoritarian loving whackjob!

    He outta be charged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    STFU! You don't know anything about this authoritarian loving whackjob!

    He outta be charged!


    Charged for what? Talking on the phone? As I said, there is no crime. Krauthammer is no fan of Putin or Trump but sees it the way I do. You are the maniac saying the guy committed treason. You sound like that crazy Keith Olberman screaming on his little podcast. It's all partisan arguing. The only real sin Flynn committed was he wasn't working for a Democrat president.
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    If you think he was some sort of great American then you're an apologist fool like that InfoWhores retard...

    He can be charged for attempting to make deals with a foreign gov't as a private citizen, which he was when he made the calls...
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    And oh yeah, Flynn is a fucking liar! Even Trump says this. But tell me what a great public servant he is, higgy-baby...

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    And oh oh yeah! Flynn is now under investigation by the FBI over the hacking scandal and it may be more encompassing over the Trump dossier with the Russians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    A polygraph test could find that out. You hold high security clearances you get random polygraph tests.
    A polygraph test is an archaic instrument that not one of you failed musicians would ever play. Didn't you ever watch Perry Mason, numbnuts? Even a fictional character knew they were shit and to this day they're not even admissible in a court of law.

    Hey numbnuts, get.fucking.real."

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    Ha! Just in from the NBC "fake" news:

    "The White House (i.e., Grumpy Trumpy) kept Vice President Pence in the dark for weeks about the warning it had gotten about national security adviser Flynn from the Justice Department, Pence's press secretary, Marc Lotter, said Tuesday. Pence did not find out until Feb. 9. Trump was first informed about the Justice Department's concerns regarding Flynn on Jan. 26, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said at Tuesday's daily press briefing."

    Once again, here's the linky dinky for you fucking retards:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/dona...-trump-n720836

    3 weeks in and the Administration of Orange is already ripping itself apart - like a factory tombstone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    By committing treason? He's a whack-job and no one recommended him nor could most of the other brass stand him which is why he was largely drummed out...

    It's funny to watch the cockroaches scurry when the light comes on - imagine if Clinton had talked to a Russian ambassador on an encrypted line when she wasn't in gov't...

    Trump already has shown he's going to decimate his legions, and Flynny boy might be one of the first along with Preibus and Spicer....
    Loyalty doesn't mean much with Trump. He's not going to think twice about getting rid of anybody, including Bannon, if the perception of them tanks to the point where it reflects poorly on [Trump]. This wouldn't be unique among presidents, either. Trump rewarded those who helped him get to the dance, but Trump doesn't owe his election to Preibus, Bannon, or Conway...certainly not Spicer.

    At some point Preibus and Spicer will leave. Sooner rather than later, I can't say. Those two positions have a high rate of turnover by their nature.
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    Despite, according to some, Flynn's poor professional reputation he garnered while working at the DIA, I find it hard to believe he was so stupid to lie about a conversation he had with the Russian Ambassador weeks prior to Trump being sworn in. I mean, Flynn initially denied the conversation even took place, then lied about what he did and didn't talk about.

    The timing of the conversation was curious, as is Flynn's wishy-washy claim that he can't be certain as to if the Obama sanctions were discussed. This isn't some conversation he had at DIA several years ago, mind you, where it might be credible for him to claim he couldn't remember the particulars. In addition, if it was the case that Flynn lied to Pence about all of this, Flynn had to go.

    I find it hard to believe Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador without any prompting from someone above him, but beyond the basic skeleton of what I mentioned above, I don't know anything beyond the bare bones of the story.

    We'll have to wait for this all to unfold, I suppose.

    Not a great start for this administration, from what I've seen so far. I take no relish in any of this. In terms of general competence, I would have expected more from Flynn, who at least had some experience in government prior to hooking up with Trump. Really ham-handed, and this compounded on top of all the other flubs doesn't paint a picture of a group of people who know what they're doing.

    It's still early in the administration, and doubtless there is a learning curve. If fuckups like this keep piling on, more Republican congressman will start to turn away from the Trump Administration. One hopes Trump will be able to get the situation in hand, and not restrict the dismissals to Flynn if that is what is necessary to right the ship and have things roll out better: thus far, the people surrounding him aren't serving him particularly well from what I can see. Too much overreach and too much hubris far too early. Then again, maybe the staff are just reflective of their boss: it seems like everybody's foot is on the accelerator and nobody knows where the brakes are. Maybe that's the intent. Whatever the case, the optics look terrible. It would behoove them to get their legislative goals passed quickly, because more ineptitude is going to make that harder and harder to do. Is this behavior characteristic of how Trump ran his businesses?

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    Oh the whole Flynn thing is being blown out of proportion because some on the left want to spin it into supporting their Hillary lost to Trump because Putin rigged the election narrative. They are out to try and paint a picture of Trump and Putin being buddy buddy. The media is going to paint all sorts of pictures and people are going to believe what they believe. I think the country is pretty much divided now. Nobody is going to persuade anyone either way. Who knows why Flynn really resigned. Who cares. He was an employee. He's dispensable. I wish more people in Washington would resign. Many of them are incompetent or do nothing. The courts are politicized and legislate from the bench. Most the presidents are corrupt buffoons. The congress is a joke that never checks a bad president. The glory of it is there has been no money put aside for the government pensions. Some people won't be getting one and that will either be a sad or glorious day. Oh and the way we are going we will default on our debt. That will be fun too. So people can have their fun with this Flynn episode. More fun to come...

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    I think he's sucking more than toes these days. I've never seen him look that flamingly gay before.

    err... not that there's anything wrong with that. There are a lot of things wrong with Dick Morris, but that's not even in the top 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Oh the whole Flynn thing is being blown out of proportion because some on the left want to spin it into supporting their Hillary lost to Trump because Putin rigged the election narrative. They are out to try and paint a picture of Trump and Putin being buddy buddy. The media is going to paint all sorts of pictures and people are going to believe what they believe. I think the country is pretty much divided now. Nobody is going to persuade anyone either way. Who knows why Flynn really resigned. Who cares. He was an employee. He's dispensable. I wish more people in Washington would resign. Many of them are incompetent or do nothing. The courts are politicized and legislate from the bench. Most the presidents are corrupt buffoons. The congress is a joke that never checks a bad president. The glory of it is there has been no money put aside for the government pensions. Some people won't be getting one and that will either be a sad or glorious day. Oh and the way we are going we will default on our debt. That will be fun too. So people can have their fun with this Flynn episode. More fun to come...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    A polygraph test could find that out. You hold high security clearances you get random polygraph tests.
    You watch too much daytiime TV - polygraphs are around 50% accurate on a yes/no in other words they don't work at all.

    It's junk science.

    They can only help if you can fool the person into thinking they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You watch too much daytiime TV - polygraphs are around 50% accurate on a yes/no in other words they don't work at all.

    It's junk science.

    They can only help if you can fool the person into thinking they work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Flynn is one of the best psychological warfare experts we have. He's not going to go anywhere. There's plenty of people who wish he would but dream on.
    A few more predictions like that and you are going to be snapped up as a pundit on Fox...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    Fuck you,am telling Jeremy Kyle on you
    The one time I watched it I spent the whole show shouting at the TV - especially when the disclaimer comes up saying 'Lie Detector Practitioners say it is 97% accurate'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The one time I watched it I spent the whole show shouting at the TV - especially when the disclaimer comes up saying 'Lie Detector Practitioners say it is 97% accurate'.
    It's seen it a couple times , it feels like an exercise in 90 % shaming the working class and 1.21 gigawatts of why we should have iq tests before you can be a parent

    Although there was a time half the posters should have been on it to be fair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Flynn is one of the best psychological warfare experts we have. He's not going to go anywhere. There's plenty of people who wish he would but dream on.
    Yeah, it takes a total genius not to notice that U.S. intelligence would be monitoring your communications with the Russian Ambassador...

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    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

    18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The penguin toe sucker chips in...
    Another F A T, white, entitled male. Obama is the best shit that ever happened to them and their bank accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

    18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    Actually, he could be prosecuted under The Logan Act, but probably won't be...


    There are two laws that may have been broken here -- the Logan Act and the crime of making false statements.

    The Logan Act makes it a crime for a private citizen to communicate with a foreign government without proper authority in an attempt to influence the actions of the foreign government. President John Adams signed the Logan Act in 1799 in response to the actions of a state legislator (George Logan) who apparently went behind Adams' back and traveled to France to try and negotiate peace with that country during the undeclared Quasi War.

    Flynn is guilty of violating the Logan Act if he (1) had communication with a foreign government; (2) with the intent to influence that foreign government, (3) while being a U.S. citizen without the authority to engage in diplomatic discussions on behalf of the United States. If Flynn violated this law, he would be guilty of a felony and face up to three years in prison.


    http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story...-break-the-law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Actually, he could be prosecuted under The Logan Act, but probably won't be...


    There are two laws that may have been broken here -- the Logan Act and the crime of making false statements.

    The Logan Act makes it a crime for a private citizen to communicate with a foreign government without proper authority in an attempt to influence the actions of the foreign government. President John Adams signed the Logan Act in 1799 in response to the actions of a state legislator (George Logan) who apparently went behind Adams' back and traveled to France to try and negotiate peace with that country during the undeclared Quasi War.

    Flynn is guilty of violating the Logan Act if he (1) had communication with a foreign government; (2) with the intent to influence that foreign government, (3) while being a U.S. citizen without the authority to engage in diplomatic discussions on behalf of the United States. If Flynn violated this law, he would be guilty of a felony and face up to three years in prison.


    http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story...-break-the-law
    Yes, but hadn't Flynn already been named to the NSA as part of the transition team when he spoke with the Russian Ambassador?

    I'm not sure if his appointment, even though it was prior to Trump being sworn in, would or wouldn't negate Flynn being defined as a citizen without authority to engage in diplomatic discussions or not.

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    I've read speculation on various boards that Flynn - as a retired general who is drawing a pension from the military - could even be prosecuted under the UCMJ (military law). One such person claimed that Flynn retired, but did not formally resign his commission, which technically makes him eligible to be recalled to duty, and therefore still subject to the UCMJ.

    Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I doubt the military courts would take a treason charge lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I've read speculation on various boards that Flynn - as a retired general who is drawing a pension from the military - could even be prosecuted under the UCMJ (military law). One such person claimed that Flynn retired, but did not formally resign his commission, which technically makes him eligible to be recalled to duty, and therefore still subject to the UCMJ.

    Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I doubt the military courts would take a treason charge lightly.

    He can be called back to duty and be hypothetically prosecuted under UCMJ. But it would be a tough sell. I think outright treason is very difficult to prove here unless there's a lot more cat than what's been let out of the bag..

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    Apparently Flynn took a lot of money from the RT Soviet propeganda network....

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    Doesn't seem like Flynn has many friends at RT these days.....


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