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    Pile o shit ... haha


    The new van Hagar compilation cd
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    If I were to give Hagar credit for anything at all, it would be that he is constantly doing something, however mediocre it may be, to entice his fans to stay on board with him. That said, he still doesn't belong within a foot of whatever may be in the works for 2018. Ideally, a box set and farewell tour with Dave, Ed, Mike and Al is what I'm hoping for. To have that crummy live in Japan CD or something with Hagar be the way they go out would truly be a pile a shit.
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    Jesus. On a few occasions I have tried to listen to stuff with this Trunk guy when he is interviewing people, but I just can't get past his inane - and usually ass-kissing, 'I want to be your pal' - questions.

    "But Sammy and those guys sold a ton of records". Who gives a fuck! I mean, you are interviewing the guy who was with the original "real thing" and you try and big up Sammy. Haha. I'm baffled that he is as famous as a champion of music as he is ... unless of course it is simply because most of his normal interviewees - elderly rock musicians - prefer having smoke blown up their asses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VHscraps View Post
    Jesus. On a few occasions I have tried to listen to stuff with this Trunk guy when he is interviewing people, but I just can't get past his inane - and usually ass-kissing, 'I want to be your pal' - questions.

    "But Sammy and those guys sold a ton of records". Who gives a fuck! I mean, you are interviewing the guy who was with the original "real thing" and you try and big up Sammy. Haha. I'm baffled that he is as famous as a champion of music as he is ... unless of course it is simply because most of his normal interviewees - elderly rock musicians - prefer having smoke blown up their asses.
    IKR. Trunk is unlistenable because he does nothing but lob softballs in between his sucking dicks. I understand this isn't hardcore journalism, but to just pander and embarrass yourself like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    IKR. Trunk is unlistenable because he does nothing but lob softballs in between his sucking dicks. I understand this isn't hardcore journalism, but to just pander and embarrass yourself like that...

    Trunk will be critical about bands/artists when he is just taking questions from listeners on his radio show, or when Trunk is just offering his opinions in a non-interview situation. And he has a fairly impressive amount of factual, Jeopardy-type information far as rock trivia stored in his memory that he is able to recall at will.

    But, yeah, within the interview context, Trump TOTALLY lobs softballs. Basically isn't going to give his interview subjects any tough or potentially awkward questions...at all. Probably in part to try and forge some friendship with them, which in turn will keep them coming back onto his radio show as guests. And while none of those interviews ARE hardcore investigative journalism of any consequence, it DOES become mildly embarrassing to hear.

    Far as Van Halen, Trunk doesn't hedge when he says he thinks Hagar was clearly a better singer than Dave was. He said he thought so back in the 1980s, and he said he preferred the band with Hagar in it. Although he also says the first 4 Van Halen records were among some of the best rock records ever, yet doesn't go on to say any of the Van Hagar records were among the best rock records ever, which makes little sense to me.

    I will say I heard Trunk talking about the band with a caller 2 years ago after the last tour concluded, and Trunk said as far as he was concerned it wouldn't be a shock if the band reunited with Hagar again because the group really had done pretty much all it COULD do with Dave, far as a lack of new material and Dave's waning abilities went. While I often think of Trunk as the real-life, grown-up version of Beavis and Butthead's Stuart, I must say I was in general agreement with Trunk over those particular sentiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    So they're content selling 100,000 copies of garbage, instead of selling a million copies of the good stuff? Yeah, genius.
    Just to piss you off.........And it worked.
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    Just got the book the other day, halfway through, not bad, nice to have regardless....
    Real reason I am posting is to ask this, and I didn't want to start a whole new thread just for one fucking question, what do some of you think is the best entire show posted of the last tour on youtube? I'm just looking for a good show I can throw on my player when I'm out of the house and have lots of time to kill, one where Dave seems to be putting in a decent effort, and one not shot from the last row, I figured most of you would know of one offhand, thanx guys.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Bug View Post
    Just got the book the other day, halfway through, not bad, nice to have regardless....
    Real reason I am posting is to ask this, and I didn't want to start a whole new thread just for one fucking question, what do some of you think is the best entire show posted of the last tour on youtube? I'm just looking for a good show I can throw on my player when I'm out of the house and have lots of time to kill, one where Dave seems to be putting in a decent effort, and one not shot from the last row, I figured most of you would know of one offhand, thanx guys.....
    Try, say, The Capitol Centre, Maryland, 1982.

    Multiple angle proshot, Dave is at the peak of his abilities, the rest of the band is right there with him knocking it out of the park, Anthony is still in the group (thus the backing vocals aren't augmented with canned pre-recorded trickery)...

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    Largo.



    I think he meant from the most recent tour though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Largo.



    I think he meant from the most recent tour though...
    I know he meant the last tour.

    I was being, like, 'ironical' (but not really - he'd be better off watching Largo)

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    Sorry my nuance detector isn't on - it's the weekend.

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    It's okay. I was only being half-facetious: he really WOULD be better off watching Largo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    It's okay. I was only being half-facetious: he really WOULD be better off watching Largo.
    That goes without saying of course, I have 2 copies of that on DVD....But don't have a portable DVD player, but yeah, just meant the last tour, something with Drop Dead Legs and Dirty Movies on it, but its all good anyway, found a few shows I bookmarked during that tour.....

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    Full Bong, you are going through enough right now. Why torture yourself by listening to that abortion of a tour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Bug View Post
    That goes without saying of course, I have 2 copies of that on DVD....But don't have a portable DVD player, but yeah, just meant the last tour, something with Drop Dead Legs and Dirty Movies on it, but its all good anyway, found a few shows I bookmarked during that tour.....
    You can download vids from YouTube with browser add ons. Just save it to your phone. Life's too short for Van Halen's last live album shitshow..

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    I recommend Montreal '07.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Full Bong, you are going through enough right now. Why torture yourself by listening to that abortion of a tour?
    LOL! Like I mentioned, its just for a few tunes, not sure if I could sit through a whole show, was enough I seen them live last tour....
    Will look for the Montreal show Twona, thanx.....

    Finished the book last night, I knew Ed like to indulge in Krell, but never knew how bad he really got, thought for him alcohol was king, guess that came later on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Bug View Post
    LOL! Like I mentioned, its just for a few tunes, not sure if I could sit through a whole show, was enough I seen them live last tour....
    Will look for the Montreal show Twona, thanx.....

    Finished the book last night, I knew Ed like to indulge in Krell, but never knew how bad he really got, thought for him alcohol was king, guess that came later on.....
    I think the only person not majorly fucked up was Mike but Mike got majorly fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
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    The new van Hagar compilation cd
    Does it have Dreams on it? More like Dream On. Hagar was never in Van Halen. He might have made bad music with the Van Halen brothers but Van Halen only had one front man and that was David Lee Roth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I think the only person not majorly fucked up was Mike but Mike got majorly fucked.
    I would like to think he was fucked up, how else to explain Mike signing papers throwing away his royalties? We all know Michael is the nicest guy alive, but damm, what an idiot, no wonder he is hawking hot sauce.....Always figured Ed and Al were behind that, but seems Dave had just as big a part....

    Wish Ed Anderson would write a book, I bet Dave has a non-disclosure deal with him that lasts 200 years....
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    Oh hell. I've seen people piss stuff away because they don't want to read the legal documents. Mike might be such a person. Of course maybe Mike just loves being fucked up the ass. That might explain why Mike's best buddy is Sammy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Oh hell. I've seen people piss stuff away because they don't want to read the legal documents. Mike might be such a person.....
    But that's why you buy a lawyer FFS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Bug View Post
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    Wish Ed Anderson would write a book, I bet Dave has a non-disclosure deal with him that lasts 200 years....
    IDK, he seems to disclose a bit here: http://www.vhnd.com/2013/01/24/van-h...r-of-security/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    IDK, he seems to disclose a bit here: http://www.vhnd.com/2013/01/24/van-h...r-of-security/
    Really? Like what? What does he disclose that would remotely break a non disclosure agreement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    But that's why you buy a lawyer FFS...
    All Sauce Sobowleski had to do was not sign anything. He already had his 1/5 cut of the action.

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    Cracked me up when Noel Monk said VH took a river of penicillin in the ass.

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    Roth must have been paying Big Ed Anderson a lot because he regretfully told Noel Monk to get lost at the Roxy because Dave didn't want to see him. I mean Ed was probably getting $$$$ and ass. He didn't want to lose the gig and just end up being security for some Hollyweird jack off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    All Sauce Sobowleski had to do was not sign anything. He already had his 1/5 cut of the action.
    I know Monk and everyone else is saying it was madness but there is a flipside in that it was payment for work he hadn't actually done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I know Monk and everyone else is saying it was madness but there is a flipside in that it was payment for work he hadn't actually done.
    I mean, even Anthony admits as much in terms of his relative lack of songwriting ideas compared to Ed and Dave, who were the creative nucleus of the band.

    To be sure, his background vocals were important to the overall sound. He played on the records, he was with the band back when they were still playing backyard parties/bars/clubs: Mike Anthony paid his dues. He didn't show up in late 1977 just before the band got famous a la Ringo Starr.

    He just didn't write.

    So while the rest of the group whittling down his publishing percentage does fly in the face of the "all for one/one for all" fantasy I had about rock bands back when CVH where still around, were I Eddie Van Halen or David Lee Roth I'd probably be asking myself why I'm splitting my publishing with someone who didn't do any of the writing.

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    In many cases especially in the early years... first 4 records especially... it wasn't just Eddie and Dave sitting the corner composing entire songs. It was the whole band composing, arranging and tweeking. A lot of the material started as a riff and/or chord run then became a jam then morphed into a song structure...

    To net it down to Eddie and Dave diminishes the contributions of the band as a complete unit... which is how they operated until Ed built 5150 and holed up in his own space. This is why I believe all 4 nutjobs had writing credits/publishing rights. I honestly believe Mike and Al contributed a hell of a lot more to the overall Van Halen sound and compositions then they are given credit for...

    The whole was greater than the sum of the parts...
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    By 1984 at the very least the grey area is Alex although they could claim that he contributed during jams with Ed at 5150.

    Obviously Monk was there and we weren't but I think Mike made a reasonable decision and in his (usually very unfashionable) shoes I think I would have done the same thing.

    He's in a massively successful band, he has publishing rights to 6 albums which he didn't write, your band turn around and point this out and say it has to stop as it's unfair and it should only be the first 5. At that point he has 2 options take the money and run or stay in the band and stop taking money for stuff you aren't doing.

    To this day Michael Antony has a 25% writing ownership on Eruption, it's really not unreasonable that he shouldn't on Jump.

    Mike will have recieved tens of thousands of dollars for this recently, the exact same amount that Ed made so you can understand how that could be a little irritating to EVH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I honestly believe Mike and Al contributed a hell of a lot more to the overall Van Halen sound and compositions then they are given credit for...

    The whole was greater than the sum of the parts...
    Without looking it up to get the exact definitions, my understanding of the legal position of song writing publishing in popular/rock music is that it consists of 3 aspects.

    Music
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    The core(vocal) melody.

    I would guess that most of the input from Mike and Alex for that matter would be more on the arrangement side which doesn't count legally when these things are tested in court. Your interpretation of the song ie. how you play it isn't relevant legally when working out who owns or should be credited with it. By the time of 1984 I don't think Mike was involved in the arrangements even but I wasn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Really? Like what? What does he disclose that would remotely break a non disclosure agreement?
    Nothing really. I do highly doubt Dave had one with Anderson though, I'm not sure they were thinking that far ahead and what is Ed going to say? "Yeah, Dave fucked this broad and did some lines off a dead hooker's ass before we dumped her into the East River?" In reality, I think Dave would have been fine with his security guy regaling the world of his stories of debauchery, unless of course Dave's debauchery included guys or something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Without looking it up to get the exact definitions, my understanding of the legal position of song writing publishing in popular/rock music is that it consists of 3 aspects.

    Music
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    The core(vocal) melody.

    I would guess that most of the input from Mike and Alex for that matter would be more on the arrangement side which doesn't count legally when these things are tested in court. Your interpretation of the song ie. how you play it isn't relevant legally when working out who owns or should be credited with it. By the time of 1984 I don't think Mike was involved in the arrangements even but I wasn't there.
    I agree 100% with your legal premise... but aren't we in a court of public opinion, here..?

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    Just sayin' given in the Minions clip above, we assume at some point Universal phone up Eddie Van Halen to try and get permission for the clip of Eruption in the movie. Note that they will almost certainly have paid a studio musician to rerecord it in order to avoid the performance fee so it's only going to be a publishing royalty. When Ed said yes he then has to wait to see if Mike agrees to it as well. This of course is no Sly Stone or even Kings X situation where the people involved are in any way short of cash but you know that's going to bug him.

    Given the context, the renegotiated deal that Antony was part of with WB and everything else I do find it impossible to get too concerned about him being pressured to sign away his payment for writing something he didn't.

    Even a broken bunch of assholes is correct some of the time.

    As rock n roll financial hard luck stories go, there are 10 000 cases ahead of this one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    In many cases especially in the early years... first 4 records especially... it wasn't just Eddie and Dave sitting the corner composing entire songs. It was the whole band composing, arranging and tweeking. A lot of the material started as a riff and/or chord run then became a jam then morphed into a song structure...

    To net it down to Eddie and Dave diminishes the contributions of the band as a complete unit... which is how they operated until Ed built 5150 and holed up in his own space. This is why I believe all 4 nutjobs had writing credits/publishing rights. I honestly believe Mike and Al contributed a hell of a lot more to the overall Van Halen sound and compositions then they are given credit for...

    The whole was greater than the sum of the parts...
    Yeah I doubt Ed sat down and wrote the notation for all three instruments and handed Mike and Al the sheet music. Ha! Ha!

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    The contract Mike was locked into said he got a 1/5 share. All band members and the manager got an equal cut. Mike was locked into getting his share and signed it away. It was pretty simple with no consideration of publishing and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    In many cases especially in the early years... first 4 records especially... it wasn't just Eddie and Dave sitting the corner composing entire songs. It was the whole band composing, arranging and tweeking. A lot of the material started as a riff and/or chord run then became a jam then morphed into a song structure...

    To net it down to Eddie and Dave diminishes the contributions of the band as a complete unit... which is how they operated until Ed built 5150 and holed up in his own space. This is why I believe all 4 nutjobs had writing credits/publishing rights. I honestly believe Mike and Al contributed a hell of a lot more to the overall Van Halen sound and compositions then they are given credit for...

    The whole was greater than the sum of the parts...
    I think Mike probably was active on the arranging and tweaking in the CVH days. Far as the composing went, from what Ed and Mike both said in interviews at the time, Mike was basically more often than not free to play what he wanted to unless Ed had a specific bass line in mind.

    The whole WAS greater than the sum of its parts, to be sure. Doubtless, plenty of stuff came out of Ed and Al jamming. Keep in mind, though, that Ed was coming up with the bulk of the music (sometimes resultant from jamming with Al, or Al and Anthony, at which point Anthony would play as a reaction to what Ed was doing) and Dave was coming up with the lyrics and melodies. THAT is what I'm referring to when I say that Ed and Dave were the nucleus of the band far as composing went, not that Dave and Ed worked together, completed the music and melodies THEN told Al and Mike to add whatever they were doing to it.

    Far as credit given, for the majority of the CVH era the publishing royalties were an even split, so I tend to think Al and Mike were given enough credit where it counted (their bank accounts) at the time far as their contributions went.

    When I listen to the band, I'm always aware of all the instruments/voices. I'd agree 100% it took those four specific guys and their specific skill sets to make the band sound like it did. Seems like a self-evident thing to say - because it is in a sense - but when people were speculating about Billy Sheehan potentially replacing Anthony in 2005 and wouldn't that be a great band, I didn't share that opinion. Not as far as the CVH material went. I never listened to the material and thought "Van Halen would be so much greater if only they had a better bass player" or anything along those lines. Mostly because Eddie was doing so much guitar-wise the band didn't NEED some guy soloing Sheehan-style on the bass.

    I wouldn't necessarily put Alex Van Halen in my bullshit Top Ten Rock Drummers Of All Time list, but I really enjoyed what he did with Van Halen...and just like with Anthony, what Alex did just fit.

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    I thought when Mike signed the paperwork circa '84, it was all inclusive, meaning he signed away his rights all the way back to VH I AND going forward from 1984. That's how I interpreted it in Monk's book. Is that not correct? As for him catching shit for not writing, it seemed like the understood dynamic was that Ed wrote all the music, in every era from Dave through Cherone. I just don't remember reading anything about Mike bringing riffs or ideas in on his own, being encouraged to do so, or what happened if/when he did bring in some ideas. Other than being Ed's brother, I'm not seeing what Al did to deserve a full cut either. In all that time, Mike never came up with an interesting bass line on his own by just jamming or goofing around? I get that the guy wasn't a virtuoso level talent like Ed, but he was a solid musician, so I find it hard to believe that he wasn't willing or capable to do something other than just wait for Ed to come up with a riff and just work off of that.

    That of course begs the question of "if he was capable and willing, then why didn't he bring ideas to the table then?" That's a fair question and I don't have an answer for that or what he did relative to writing. I just find it hard to believe that he wasn't at least capable of bringing something to the table other than a knife and fork.
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