Neonazis Love Trumps uncomdemnation

[Seshmeister]

Someone asked him what he thought his legacy would be and he answered 'who cares we'll be dead'.

When I said 'Someone' I should have looked it up in these days of 'fake news', I got the quote a bit wrong too.

George W. Bush, when asked by Bob Woodward "how is history likely to judge your Iraq war?" replied, "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead." (Woodward Shares War Secrets, CBS News, 60 Minutes, April 18, 2004).

There seem to be various thesis around on how this showed that Bush expects the apocalypse and is a big Revelations follower like our own FORD.

To me it's more likely he was just shrugging.

[vandeleur]

Ford has left the building ... choked on his home brew carrot and fig lager

[Nickdfresh]

Trump deploying more troops to Afghanistan is breaking his promise to get us out of unnecessary deployments...

Which promise hasn't he broken?

[Seshmeister]

Ford has left the building ... choked on his home brew carrot and fig lager

Run out of town by DONNIEP and his crew?

[vandeleur]

Run out of town by DONNIEP and his crew?

Haha can I guess which one is Donnie

[Von Halen]

Haha can I guess which one is Donnie

The one to the right of NickDickless?

[Nitro Express]

Which promise hasn't he broken?

The border is more secure than it was. He really can't do anything with healthcare unless the Republican Party wants to work with him. A lot of Trump not being able to fulfill promises is the Republicans in the congress are breaking their campaign promises. As far as deploying more troops to Afghanistan goes Trump owns that mistake. As Terry has said he was against more troop deployments before he even ran for president and he campaigned on getting us out of unnecessary conflicts.

[Nitro Express]

Trump's inclination - one of the few things he was consistent about in his comments for the last decade or so - was that Afghanistan and Iraq were mistakes. Not just in terms of the mechanics of how those conflicts were pursued, but the total rationale for going in. Same with Libya, Syria, etc.

Thus, his recent speech was...whatever the value of the reportage that Trump was disinclined to re-engage in Afghanistan prior to meeting with the generals, if that was truthful or not or just a planted story to provide cover for Trump in terms of allocating possible future blame ("I didn't want to put more troops in, but the generals said they could win...Generals are Bad!")...it was just disheartening to see him decide to re-up the ante in Afghanistan in terms of conventional forces and speak the teleprompter text that he expected to "win" in Afghanistan.

As far as Eisenhower and the military-industrial complex, you have roughly 25% of GDP funding the military: it's only natural to follow that you're going to have to utilize the military in some fashion to justify the perpetuation of conventional weapons manufacturing and maintaining armed forces personnel. Otherwise, why spend so much money? Eisenhower was also pretty spot-on about missile defense systems, in that once you have reached the capability of essentially destroying the entire planet, any missiles built beyond that point are just a waste: once you have a sufficient deterrent, producing arms beyond that doesn't make the deterrent any stronger. Now, we are looking at spending a trillion dollars to overhaul, modernize and upgrade our nuclear capability. All for weapons that nobody short of the insane wants to see used...ever. It's crazy on the face of it and crazy through and through, despite what the usual cast of Pentagon-advocating talking heads will say in terms of the necessity of it (as they have been for 50 years now).

The problem with Afghanistan is we have no clear objective there. It's a failed state with no real functioning government. We have been there with our thumb up our ass for 18 years. I wish I was making money off it.

[Terry]

The border is more secure than it was. He really can't do anything with healthcare unless the Republican Party wants to work with him. A lot of Trump not being able to fulfill promises is the Republicans in the congress are breaking their campaign promises. As far as deploying more troops to Afghanistan goes Trump owns that mistake. As Terry has said he was against more troop deployments before he even ran for president and he campaigned on getting us out of unnecessary conflicts.

A lot of Trump not being able to fulfill promises is that Trump isn't going to be able to provide "wonderful health care - better than we've ever seen - for everybody" via Executive Order. Plus, much like Trumps "tax plan" Trump's "healthcare plan" (or the Repeal and Replace Ryan plan) isn't one his voters wanted once they got beyond the campaign rhetoric and discovered both plans amount to giving massive tax breaks to the top 10% and everybody else the middle finger.

Infrastructure is something Trump might actually be able to do something with, but the idea of massively defunding various federal governmental agencies in an attempt to get them to collapse via neglect, giving perfunctory block grants to individual states to do with as they please (in terms of funding health insurance, individual state infrastructure, etc.) and calling that a "national health insurance plan" or a "national infrastructure plan" isn't going to pass muster. Even Trump's most hardcore supporters are going to expect something tangible from him at some point, and him merely pointing his finger at Congress (or Obama, or Hillary, or immigrants, or Islamic terrorists, or the 'fake news media') and blaming them for [Trump's] failures...I mean, maybe that will work long enough to get him a 2nd term...

[Nickdfresh]

Haha can I guess which one is Donnie

He's the one next to VonHagar;;;

[Terry]

The problem with Afghanistan is we have no clear objective there. It's a failed state with no real functioning government. We have been there with our thumb up our ass for 18 years. I wish I was making money off it.

In addition, every Afghani faction knows that America won't be there forever. Even if we put 100,000 more troops in there, in the short term we might be able to - at best - temporarily secure the political and religious infighting. Long run, it'll just go back to shit when we eventually declare 'victory' and pull the bulk of our troops out. The nation has had no real economy outside of opium for decades, and the chances of America bringing anything resembling US democracy there that would actually take root and hold in terms of the long run...nothing short of invading the entire country, completely taking it over and remaining there forever is going to make that happen.

4,000 more troops (or whatever number the generals have convinced Trump will get the 'job' done) is a mere band aid on a mortal wound.

[Nitro Express]

A lot of Trump not being able to fulfill promises is that Trump isn't going to be able to provide "wonderful health care - better than we've ever seen - for everybody" via Executive Order. Plus, much like Trumps "tax plan" Trump's "healthcare plan" (or the Repeal and Replace Ryan plan) isn't one his voters wanted once they got beyond the campaign rhetoric and discovered both plans amount to giving massive tax breaks to the top 10% and everybody else the middle finger

Infrastructure is something Trump might actually be able to do something with, but the idea of massively defunding various federal governmental agencies in an attempt to get them to collapse via neglect, giving perfunctory block grants to individual states to do with as they please (in terms of funding health insurance, individual state infrastructure, etc.) and calling that a "national health insurance plan" or a "national infrastructure plan" isn't going to pass muster. Even Trump's most hardcore supporters are going to expect something tangible from him at some point, and him merely pointing his finger at Congress (or Obama, or Hillary, or immigrants, or Islamic terrorists, or the 'fake news media') and blaming them for [Trump's] failures...I mean, maybe that will work long enough to get him a 2nd term...

There is so much infighting and back stabbing now we are politically fucked. Everyone is just out for themselves to the point we are killing the golden goose. We are headed for a collapse.

[Terry]

There is so much infighting and back stabbing now we are politically fucked. Everyone is just out for themselves to the point we are killing the golden goose. We are headed for a collapse.

We have a massively banked elite who have spent the last 40 years paying off elected officials of both parties to allow American businesses to relocate manufacturing jobs overseas with virtually nothing in the way of meaningful penalties in terms of tariffs or taxes to dissuade these corporations from doing so. We've got a financial sector that is free to do virtually whatever they want in an essentially consequence-free environment in terms of whatever fines DO end up being attached to these companies for breaking the law are much, much smaller than the profits to be made for doing so. We have a prison system that has become more and more privatized, which only incentivizes putting more and more people (usually the poor) in the prisons. We have local police forces who have become virtually militarized in terms of the hardware and policing tactics they utilize to keep the underclasses in line. A majority of our citizenry would find it difficult to come up with $1,000 in cash at any given time in the event of an emergency. Everybody is floating on credit. Our population is rapidly aging in terms of the median population age (and overall we're getting fatter as a society): the elderly are living longer on the whole, but now people are beginning to outlive their retirement savings. Wages have flat lined for the working class for decades. 90% of us working at Walmart/Starbucks while the other 10% swap and trade bad loans and packaged debt doesn't seem to be viable. And all of the above is just a start!! You and I and everyone else on this site could keep adding to this list for pages and pages.

Yeah, it feels like we're on the verge of something that's not going to be pleasant, to say the least. It's hard to imagine this way of life being sustained in the manner that it currently is for much longer: at some point, it's probably gonna snap.

[Nitro Express]

The "because it's her turn" slogan may be one of the worst ideas in electoral history.

The Nitro statement about people voting for Trump because 'it couldn't get any worse than it already was' is exactly correct and the same reason that Brexit too happened, both on very narrow majorities but anyhoo.

That people could think that things couldn't get any worse is astonishing. Things can always get much much worse. I wonder if it's a lack of knowledge of history but then in both the Trump vote and Brexit it was the old people that voted for it. Here's a thought after another atrocity in Spain yesterday, terrorist murders in Europe are a small fraction now than they were in the 1970s. Public disorder, killings in the US, again a small fraction of what they were.

Bullshit however is up big time.

You also have to add in that the Democratic Party stole Bernie Sander's nomination and gave it to Hillary. That pissed people off.

[Nitro Express]

Bernie was popular. I don't know if Trump could have beat Bernie fever.