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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35159

    White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners

    Talk about stating the fucking obvious but the media is so fucked up these days I have to post this...



    White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners


    Since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.

    Updated by Jennifer Williams@jenn_ruthjennifer@vox.com Oct 2, 2017, 11:30am EDT



    Las Vegas police stand guard along the streets outside the Route 91 Harvest Country music festival grounds on October 1, 2017, in Las Vegas, Nevada. David Becker/Getty Images

    When President Donald Trump signed his since-revised executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States, he claimed it was to protect Americans from “radical Islamic terrorists.”

    “We don’t want ‘em here,” Trump told reporters at the Pentagon, where he signed the order in January.

    But in the eight months since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed in attacks by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.

    Radical Islamic terrorists inspired or directed by groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda do pose a clear threat to the US. There is no question about that. Before last night’s deadly shooting in Las Vegas, the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history occurred in June 2016 when an ISIS-inspired man opened fire in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, killing 49 people and wounding 53.

    And ISIS-linked militants have killed or injured dozens of people in countries like England, France, and Canada so far this year, including two women killed in a stabbing attack in Marseille, France, and several people injured in a car-ramming attack in Edmonton, Canada, just this weekend.

    But here at home, the bigger threat has come from a very different kind of attacker, one with no ties to religion generally or Islamist extremism specifically.

    Here are just a few of the attacks that have occurred in 2017:

    Sunday night, a 64-year-old white man from Nevada opened fire on a crowd of more than 22,000 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing more than 50 and wounding more than 200.

    In August, a 20-year-old white Nazi sympathizer from Ohio sped his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing a woman and injuring at least 19 others.

    In June, a 66-year-old white man from Illinois shot at Republican Congress members during an early morning baseball practice, severely wounding several people including Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the House of Representatives Majority Whip.

    In March 2017, a 28-year-old white man from Baltimore traveled to New York City with the explicit aim of killing black men. He stabbed 66-year-old Timothy Caughman to death and was charged with terrorism by New York state authorities.

    In May, a 35-year-old white man from Oregon named Jeremy Joseph Christian began harassing Muslim teenagers on a train in Portland, telling them “We need Americans here!” Two men interceded; Christian then stabbed and killed them both.

    In fact, between 2001 and 2015, more Americans were killed by homegrown right-wing extremists than by Islamist terrorists, according to a study by New America, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, DC.

    A June 2017 study by Reveal and the Center for Investigative Reporting found a similar pattern:




    Even the “radical Islamic terrorists” are usually US citizens
    In Trump’s very first speech to Congress, he claimed that “the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country.”

    But none of the perpetrators of the major US terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam in the past 15 years have come from the nations on Trump’s travel ban (either the original one or the new, revised version that was released late last month). In fact, the country home to the biggest number of terrorists who have carried out successful attacks inside the US is the US itself.

    The San Bernardino shooting that killed 14 people was carried out by an American-born US citizen of Pakistani descent and a lawful permanent US resident of Pakistani descent. The Orlando nightclub shooter who murdered 49 people was an American-born US citizen of Afghan descent. The Boston marathon bombers, who identified as ethnic Chechen, came to the US from Kyrgyzstan and grew up in Cambridge, Massachusetts, before carrying out attacks that left three dead. Faisal Shahzad, the attempted Times Square bomber, was Pakistani-American. Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 people at Fort Hood in 2009, was born in Virginia to Palestinian parents.

    And as my colleague Zack Beauchamp has written, the average likelihood of an American being killed in a terrorist attack in which an immigrant participated in any given year is one in 3.6 million — even including the 9/11 deaths. The average American is more likely to die from their own clothing or a toddler with a gun than an immigrant terrorist. But we’re not banning guns and T-shirts from coming into the country.

    Adopting extremist views and committing horrendous acts of violence in the name of some "righteous" cause, be it religion or politics or just plain old hatred, isn't something that only Muslims, or Arabs, or immigrants, or any other group of people do. It's something humans do.
  • Terry
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 11957

    #2
    I may have mentioned this before, but over the last 3 years a mosque was built in my town, finally completed about 6 months ago.

    I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

    If I really think about it, I worry far more about some white gun owner going ballistic during rush hour and going on a road-rage shooting rampage than I do being the victim of a (voice of doom, here 'RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK!'...the odds of which are essentially zero.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • cadaverdog
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Aug 2007
      • 8958

      #3
      [QUOTE=Terry;1929094]I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

      QUOTE]
      Do you even know what a nationalist is?

      na·tion·al·ist
      [ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

      NOUN
      a person who advocates political independence for a country:
      A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.
      Beware of Dog

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      • jacksmar
        Full Member Status

        • Feb 2004
        • 3533

        #4
        Streets away from the deadly Barcelona attack, feelings are running high among Muslims in the El Raval neighborhood amid concerns over extremism in Catalonia.




        BARCELONA, Spain — As authorities hunted the driver who plowed into a crowd in the Catalan capital, Barcelona, some have expressed concern that the region's large Muslim population puts it at particular risk from Islamic extremism.

        An ISIS-affiliated news agency said the terror group took responsibility for the van atrocity, which killed 13 people including an American, and for related attacks that have rocked the area since Thursday.
        A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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        • jacksmar
          Full Member Status

          • Feb 2004
          • 3533

          #5
          sesh, don't come to the USA with that globalist bullshit. We've watched your kind fight terrorism with candles, flowers and teddy bears.

          We haven't taken our eye off these people or their salafi jihad.

          You want rich white guy money like every other weak euro idiot. Enjoy your eurovision tv shows.
          A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49127

            #6
            [QUOTE=cadaverdog;1929096]
            Originally posted by Terry
            I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

            QUOTE]
            Do you even know what a nationalist is?

            na·tion·al·ist
            [ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

            NOUN
            a person who advocates political independence for a country:
            A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.

            Well look what showed back up in the yard looking for trash...

            "Libtards" LOL Did you have to join a "white nationalist" gang in jail for protection?

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            • cadaverdog
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Aug 2007
              • 8958

              #7
              [QUOTE=Nickdfresh;1929104]
              Originally posted by cadaverdog


              Well look what showed back up in the yard looking for trash...
              If I was looking for trash I came to the right spot.
              Beware of Dog

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32798

                #8
                David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • vandeleur
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 9870

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.
                  Ive heard him sing recently ... he has no range and aint hit anything live for years
                  fuck your fucking framing

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                  • vandeleur
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 9870

                    #10
                    Sorry if that's in bad taste.
                    fuck your fucking framing

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35159

                      #11
                      I'm sure if our colonial cousins were bothered about this kind of thing they would have sorted it out years ago.

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                      • Terry
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 11957

                        #12
                        Originally posted by vandeleur
                        Sorry if that's in bad taste.
                        Quite the contrary: you hit the bullseye dead center with that one!
                        Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                        • Terry
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 11957

                          #13
                          [QUOTE=cadaverdog;1929096]
                          Originally posted by Terry
                          I don't for a moment worry about anybody in the local Muslim community engaging in acts of violence toward me: I'm not a Muslim, but my main worry is some white nationalist will try to destroy the mosque.

                          QUOTE]
                          Do you even know what a nationalist is?

                          na·tion·al·ist
                          [ˈnaSH(ə)nələst]

                          NOUN
                          a person who advocates political independence for a country:
                          A white nationalist is just a white person who believes their country should be governed by their people. There are plenty of black, red, yellow and even rainbow nationalists as well. A white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist even though you libtards want to believe they are. Obviously there are no white or any other color nationalist in Scotland.
                          Unfortunately for those who want to believe otherwise, America is already (as much as an ostensibly 'democratic' capitalist oligarchy CAN be) governed by its peoples. Its peoples come in - as you helpfully pointed out - a variety of colors, along with a variety of religious/social/sexual beliefs.

                          An American white nationalist, to my way of thinking, is someone who thinks America should be run and controlled exclusively by white people, with the additional caveat of that power being concentrated exclusively in the white male demographic. As opposed to an American nationalist who happens to be white and thinks ALL peoples of the United States should have their fair, legal say as to how the country should be governed.

                          It's subtle, I know, but a distinction nonetheless.
                          Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35159

                            #14
                            I think it's worth mentioning trauma care has improved dramatically in the last decade which is great but when there are incidents like this in your mind the death number is the one you naturally concentrate on in this case around 58 at the moment.

                            A few years ago the 58 number would have been far far higher but out of the 500+ non fatalities there are going to be a hell of a lot of people who have survived but with their lives ruined.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35159

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              David Lee Roth is a white, pro American gun owner. Someone needs to lock that mother fucker up before he snaps.
                              I'll see your straw dog argument and raise you, the second amendment does not prohibit US citizens owning nuclear weapons so when is Trump going to stop sitting on his tiny hands and let the well regulated militia have them?

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