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    CNN Reports First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

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    CNN Reports First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation
    by Josh Feldman | 8:34 pm, October 27th, 2017
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    CNN is reporting tonight that the first charges have been filed in Robert Mueller‘s investigation. The indictment is sealed so it’s unclear who has been charged or what the charges themselves are. Reports suggest that the sealed indictment will be revealed on Monday, perhaps Tuesday, raising speculation who is the first target of the Special Counsel.

    Per CNN:

    The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.

    There is lots of speculation why these are sealed indictments. CNN Contributor John Dean later suggested during a panel discussion on AC360 that it is often a tactic meant to get the subject to flip. Former Federal Prosecuter Michael Zeldin also made salient points that sealed indictments are often used when the subject is viewed as a flight risk. He also suggested that, given the information currently available, that Paul Manafort is a reasonable guess of who Mueller is targeting in this indictment.

    You can watch CNN’s report above.

    We will update this post as more information comes in.
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    Probably Flynn or Paul Manafort, most likely the latter...
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    And finally Trump shuts up on Twitter, perhaps taking the lawyers' advice for once. We'll see if he can keep from a Sunday Twatting explosion when the cats are away...

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    Well, the Trump counter narrative has been bloviating full-force over the past few days about the Democratic Party connections to the firm and individual who helped compile the notorious Trump dossier.

    It'll be reasonable to assume Trump will have surrogates on the Sunday morning shows trying to downplay or undercut the significance of the charges, even though the charges are still under seal (thus they will be castigating against something they haven't even read yet).

    I can't be bothered watching cable news or the network Sunday political shows pontificate endlessly over the contents of charges when the indictments are for now under seal.

    Plus, Mueller can make all the charges he wants: without Congressional will to undertake the proper proceedings subsequent to the indictments being made, Mueller can't enforce anything.

    Trump won't resign unless, like Nixon, he sees removal as inevitable. Assuming Pence is clean in all of this, a Pence Presidency could even be worse than Trump's. Pence has been bought and paid for by the Kochs several hundred thousand times over already, and Pence (unlike Trump) is stable enough, disciplined enough and has the strength of his ideological convictions to the point where a Pence Presidency could do some real legislative damage.

    I'll breathe a sigh of relief when Trump is gone (however/whenever that happens) in terms of the sheer instability of the guy re: holding the nuclear codes. But outside of that existential concern, Pence gives me little comfort.
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    At least it could be seen as a step forward to have a rampant homosexual as president.

    So deep in the closet he's in Narnia but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    At least it could be seen as a step forward to have a rampant homosexual as president.

    So deep in the closet he's in Narnia but still...
    Are you referring to Mike Pence, or Mark Cuban in 2020?

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    Mike 'Mother' Pence.



    I don't know this Cuban guy I'm assuming I won't like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    And finally Trump shuts up on Twitter, perhaps taking the lawyers' advice for once. We'll see if he can keep from a Sunday Twatting explosion when the cats are away...
    Yup! Trump melts-down Sunday morn...

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    Manafort.

    Huh.

    He didn't look so confident as he was surrendering this morning. Looks like a stool pigeon/flipped rat.

    Expect the Trump "Hillary is bad" distraction attempts to quadruple beyond the frequency they were increased to at the end of last week.

    The question is if Manafort was indicted for things directly related and expressly tied to the 2016 Trump campaign, or solo activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post

    Expect the Trump "Hillary is bad" distraction attempts to quadruple beyond the frequency they were increased to at the end of last week.
    They seem to be going down the uranium story again even though it was disproved last year as a non story by people like republican founded factcheck.org.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/

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    Not just Mannfart, but George CockaPapadopoulos as well, for serious and knowing contacts with Russian intelligence...

    Manafort's charge isn't far from Treason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Not just Mannfart, but George CockaPapadopoulos as well, for serious and knowing contacts with Russian intelligence...

    Manafort's charge isn't far from Treason...

    you leftists may want to hold off on the public dick swig and shit eating grins. manfred manafort says that he never met with any russian intelligence agents. but guaranteed he knows who did. podesta in the mix.
    https://www.fara.gov/docs/6170-Amend...0170428-28.pdf

    look for a meeting with Leonid Kozhara and US Senator Christopher Murphy to come to light.

    manfred manafort was playing both sides of the aisle.
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    Here's a new MAGA hat for you, Jerksmear.....


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    And for the record, if the Podesta brothers go down too, good fucking riddance. John Podesta and his little pet dog Donna Brazille have damaged the Democratic party as much as the Clintons themselves. Fuck'em. And get their propagandists off of "Progressive Voices" already...

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    And now, for his hilarious, God-inspired insights on the case, here's Pat....


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And for the record, if the Podesta brothers go down too, good fucking riddance. John Podesta and his little pet dog Donna Brazille have damaged the Democratic party as much as the Clintons themselves. Fuck'em. And get their propagandists off of "Progressive Voices" already...
    ahhhh poor little, little boy. when you leftists signed on to tongue bathe the clintons, you guys didn't have any idea it would be a cradle to grave job?????


    lay off donna...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Mike 'Mother' Pence.



    I don't know this Cuban guy I'm assuming I won't like him.
    But porn and misogyny are okay with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And for the record, if the Podesta brothers go down too, good fucking riddance. John Podesta and his little pet dog Donna Brazille have damaged the Democratic party as much as the Clintons themselves. Fuck'em. And get their propagandists off of "Progressive Voices" already...
    No one gives a shit about your Raw Story slumming, slave FORD

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    you leftists may want to hold off on the public dick swig and shit eating grins. manfred manafort says that he never met with any russian intelligence agents. but guaranteed he knows who did. podesta in the mix.
    https://www.fara.gov/docs/6170-Amend...0170428-28.pdf

    look for a meeting with Leonid Kozhara and US Senator Christopher Murphy to come to light.

    manfred manafort was playing both sides of the aisle.
    LOL But he was Drumpf's campaign manager and long term "business partner"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    manfred manafort was playing both sides of the aisle.
    Manafort is a nasty piece of shit crook whose clients include some of the worst dictators and murders the world has seen in recent times.

    This isn't just your usual Washington shit and it says a lot that Donnie Junior and Ivanka chose this guy.

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    When Mueller shoots his hot load right into the F A T ass of Trump will any of this be truly "news."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    When Mueller shoots his hot load right into the F A T ass of Trump will any of this be truly "news."
    I'm beginning to think you really don't hate "porn" that much...

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    “You Can’t Go Any Lower”: Inside the West Wing, Trump Is Apoplectic as Allies Fear Impeachment
    After Monday’s indictments, the president blamed Jared Kushner in a call to Steve Bannon, while others are urging him to take off the gloves with Robert Mueller.
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    Until now, Robert Mueller has haunted Donald Trump’s White House as a hovering, mostly unseen menace. But by securing indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, and a surprise guilty plea from foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, Mueller announced loudly that the Russia investigation poses an existential threat to the president. “Here’s what Manafort’s indictment tells me: Mueller is going to go over every financial dealing of Jared Kushner and the Trump Organization,” said former Trump campaign aide Sam Nunberg. “Trump is at 33 percent in Gallup. You can’t go any lower. He’s fucked.”

    The first charges in the Mueller probe have kindled talk of what the endgame for Trump looks like, according to conversations with a half-dozen advisers and friends of the president. For the first time since the investigation began, the prospect of impeachment is being considered as a realistic outcome and not just a liberal fever dream. According to a source, advisers in the West Wing are on edge and doing whatever they can not to be ensnared. One person close to Dina Powell and Gary Cohn said they’re making sure to leave rooms if the subject of Russia comes up.

    The consensus among the advisers I spoke to is that Trump faces few good options to thwart Mueller. For one, firing Mueller would cross a red line, analogous to Nixon’s firing of Archibald Cox during Watergate, pushing establishment Republicans to entertain the possibility of impeachment. “His options are limited, and his instinct is to come out swinging, which won’t help things,” said a prominent Republican close to the White House.

    Trump, meanwhile, has reacted to the deteriorating situation by lashing out on Twitter and venting in private to friends. He’s frustrated that the investigation seems to have no end in sight. “Trump wants to be critical of Mueller,” one person who’s been briefed on Trump’s thinking says. “He thinks it’s unfair criticism. Clinton hasn’t gotten anything like this. And what about Tony Podesta? Trump is like, When is that going to end?” According to two sources, Trump has complained to advisers about his legal team for letting the Mueller probe progress this far. Speaking to Steve Bannon on Tuesday, Trump blamed Jared Kushner for his role in decisions, specifically the firings of Mike Flynn and James Comey, that led to Mueller’s appointment, according to a source briefed on the call. When Roger Stone recently told Trump that Kushner was giving him bad political advice, Trump agreed, according to someone familiar with the conversation. “Jared is the worst political adviser in the White House in modern history,” Nunberg said. “I’m only saying publicly what everyone says behind the scenes at Fox News, in conservative media, and the Senate and Congress.” (The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment by deadline.)
    Video: Trump Impeachment: A Serious Possibility?

    As Mueller moves to interview West Wing aides in the coming days, advisers are lobbying for Trump to consider a range of stratagems to neutralize Mueller, from conciliation to a declaration of all-out war. One Republican explained Trump’s best chance for survival is to get his poll numbers up. Trump’s lawyer Ty Cobb has been advocating the view that playing ball will lead to a quick resolution (Cobb did not respond to a request for comment). But these soft-power approaches are being criticized by Trump allies including Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, who both believe establishment Republicans are waiting for a chance to impeach Trump. “The establishment has proven time and time again they will fuck Trump over,” a Bannon ally told me.

    In a series of phone calls with Trump on Monday and Tuesday, Bannon told the president to shake up the legal team by installing an aggressive lawyer above Cobb, according to two sources briefed on the call. Bannon has also discussed ways to pressure Congress to defund Mueller’s investigation or limit its scope. “Mueller shouldn’t be allowed to be a clean shot on goal,” a Bannon confidant told me. “He must be contested and checked. Right now he has unchecked power.”

    Bannon’s sense of urgency is being fueled by his belief that Trump’s hold on power is slipping. The collapse of Obamacare repeal, and the dimming chances that tax reform will pass soon—many Trump allies are deeply pessimistic about its prospects—have created the political climate for establishment Republicans to turn on Trump. Two weeks ago, according to a source, Bannon did a spitball analysis of the Cabinet to see which members would remain loyal to Trump in the event the 25th Amendment were invoked, thereby triggering a vote to remove the president from office. Bannon recently told people he’s not sure if Trump would survive such a vote. “One thing Steve wants Trump to do is take this more seriously,” the Bannon confidant told me. “Stop joking around. Stop tweeting.”

    Roger Stone believes defunding Mueller isn’t enough. Instead, Stone wants Trump to call for a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s role in approving the controversial Uranium One deal that’s been a locus of rightwing hysteria (the transaction involved a Russian state-owned energy firm acquiring a Canadian mining company that controlled a large subset of the uranium in the United States). It’s a bit of a bank shot, but as Stone described it, a special prosecutor looking into Uranium One would also have to investigate the F.B.I.’s role in approving the deal, thereby making Mueller—who was in charge of the bureau at the time—a target. Stone’s choice for a special prosecutor: Rudy Giuliani law colleague Marc Mukasey or Fox News pundit Andrew Napolitano. “You would immediately have to inform Mueller, Comey, and [Deputy Attorney General] Rod Rosenstein that they are under federal investigation,” Stone said. “Trump can’t afford to fire Mueller politically. But this pushes him aside.”

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    Who knows but I think both Stone and Bannon are borderline insane but also have less actual influence and power than some people think/wish/fear.

    Then again Trump seems to agree with the last person he met who sucked up to him so basically it's all about how much those 2 do these days, my sense was there has been a concerted effort to reduce their influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Who knows but I think both Stone and Bannon are borderline insane but also have less actual influence and power than some people think/wish/fear.

    Then again Trump seems to agree with the last person he met who sucked up to him so basically it's all about how much those 2 do these days, my sense was there has been a concerted effort to reduce their influence.
    Stone has been a longtime mud trafficker. Talking 4 + decades. His power is limited to the effectiveness of whatever smears he is currently peddling.

    Bannon has been a longtime wannabe political player. He piggybacked onto Breitbart after Andrew died, and saw an opportunity with Trump when Trump announced and made all those statements about Mexican rapists and the like to back a candidate who shared his nativist views. Bannon was, what, the third or fourth Trump campaign manager, and took that role on fairly late into the campaign. In fairness, Bannon's candidate ended up winning, but not necessarily because of anything Bannon did in terms of that 'Great Manipulator' image Bannon has cultivated in the media.

    We'll see with Bannon how the Bannon-backed candidates do in these various special elections: Bannon's Moonshot may well end up being limited to one candidate, Trump, who might well have one even if Bannon hadn't been involved with his campaign.

    To be sure, both Bannon and Stone are a couple of characters. Insane or crazy like a pair of foxes? Who knows?

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